This is a bit of a difficult question to ask because it brings up my own issues around not having a safe or protective father figure. The more I read about the effects this has psychologically, the more I want to avoid recreating it for any future child(ren) I might have. At the same time, I don't want it to seem like I'd condemn any heterosexual or lesbian woman who, for whatever reason, didn't do the same. This is a personal wish of mine that I'm struggling to know how to fulfil, given my experience and outlook.
So, over the last year, my girlfriend and I have been talking more seriously about the logistics of having children, something we'd both take incredibly seriously. One of the things I want to take particularly seriously even though it's difficult for me is the fact that both girls and boys benefit albeit in different ways from having a trustworthy father-like or just male figure in their lives. I have no doubt that when it comes to modelling different (typically) masculine and feminine traits, my partner and I would be covered between us, but the fact remains that seeing these traits modelled by a male seems to have its own separate value. Studies seem to confirm that, in general, without a healthy relationship with a male figure during childhood, boys will be more prone to dangerous behaviour, while girls struggle one way or another in relationships with men, something which both my sister and I demonstrate in very different ways.
The more I think about it, the more I feel that the safe father figure is an irreplaceable concept for girls especially because the nature of being a girl or woman is that no other man can ever have any love for you that isn't grounded in sex. Freudian grossness aside, I think it makes sense to an extent that heterosexual women ‘look for their father’ in male partners because in theory they're looking to see hallmarks of the one man who loved them in a non-sexual way. I'll avoid going into detail but because my father never showed me what this looked like when I was a child, I find it very difficult to believe that there are any decent men in the world.
As an adult, I have never had a male friendship that hasn't devolved in one way or another, either due to the friend being inappropriate or just outing themselves as a misogynist. Given this overall experience, I’m finding myself increasingly torn between being desperate to provide a better role model (in the form of a male family friend) for my children so they don’t have the same issues my sister and I do, and struggling to retain any faith that there is a single good man out there to actually be said role model. After all, if my own biological father didn’t have it in him, how could some random unrelated man.
I’d love to know what any of you think about the subject. If anyone has any truly trustworthy male friends, that’d be really lovely to hear. After all, I’m very much putting this out there because I’d like to have a less bleak outlook on men in general.
As far as I've ever been able to tell, the studies that supposedly show that children are better off with a father really only show that children are better off with two parents, or maybe with the financial and other kinds of security that come with a stable two-parent household. If the study doesn't directly compare two female parents to one male and one female without these confounding factors, then it doesn't demonstrate a need for a male.
Yep. If financial status is controlled for, there are no advantages to fathers being present in the home.
No man necessary. I have raised my daughter with my lesbian partner. Since over 90 percent of men watch porn I don't think male role models exist in patriarchal societies. So just go ahead, I have no doubt you and your girlfriend will be great parents to your children.
I've tried really hard to be optimistic but this is very much where I keep coming back to. I'm really happy for you and your family, thank you so much for your message x
Having a good man around is great, but so, so rare, that looking for that prince will likely just expose you to a lot of frogs. Not worth it, IMO. A child who has two loving, involved female parents is likely, maybe even more so than one with a man™ around just for the sake of having a man™ around, to have everything they need and turn out wonderful.
I don’t think they need a male role model. Having two strong mothers that can provide a loving home is fine.
I'm grateful to have learned that men are depraved psychopaths that treat women like objects to be possessed and consumed. Now I know to be ready to defend myself and keep them to such a limited part of my life as possible. I'm not grateful that part of learning that was from the males in my immediate family abusing me. I mean no offense but I scoff at the notion of children needing male role models. I'd say boys would be better men without, and girls less broken, trauma survivors, without.
Thank you for reply, I'm so sorry for your experiences. I haven't experienced anything like that but I do now know that my dad is attracted to underage girls and thinks they're fully capable of consenting to middle-aged men (he felt it appropriate to tell me as much), which is what lead me to posting this question in the hope that people would have different experiences. I agree with you completely on an emotional level but don't like the feeling that I have to fight against nature - in evolutionary terms, men and women are "supposed" (heavy inverted commas) to coexist - to just live in peace. But at the end of the day if that has become the only recourse, it's not our fault.
I'd think you'll be fine without one. Having a man around children, especially ones that aren't theirs, often isn't a good mix.
A lot of those studies are bias. If a girl grows up without her dad present she'll likely be growing up in a broken home, so that could be a reason why they might have issues later on, not necessarily because there isn't a dad but because she grew up in a difficult situation. Likely in poverty or being abandoned.
There are studies that show kids thrive with same-sex parents.
You also have to look out for your own safety since men are creepy around lesbians.
If you can provide a safe and loving environment you'll be fine.
Women don't need men. All you have to do is just love the child. No need to add some random guy. I mean men are likely to abandon their own flesh and blood. It might just over complicate things.
Maybe you're just over thinking this?
Thank you so much, that's definitely a nice way of looking at it. I do very much overthink everything and something as serious as the idea of having children definitely brings out the worst of that tendency. The thought of trying to encourage male family friends into a child's life for their benefit only for them to do harm doesn't even bear thinking about so I think you have a very good point.
No problem. And don't worry, this is a big decision and it's good you're looking at all of your options 😁