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Story TimeAnyone else tired of straight women on here?
I don't post in here much and sorry if I've broken any rules. This is just something I want to get off my chest.
I feel like all my life, I've been forced to listen to straight and bi women rant about dick. And I hate that every song, movie, and tv show is about het people and het sex, to the point that I have to fast-forward through kisses and gross sex scenes.
Ok. Maybe not all lesbians are disgusted by men, but I am and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm tired of listening to het and bi women talk about dick all the time, in real life and online.
I remember the first friend I made in the army. The first thing out of her mouth was some gross comments about dick. I just stood there trying to hide my disgust and eventually played along like I was into men so she wouldn't suspect me. But ugh.
And all the straight and bi women I knew in the service were like that. Just talking about dick, dick, dick all the time, then getting mad if you call them what they are: dick worshippers.
I'm in my thirties. I should be used to it by now, but I don't think it's something I can get used to.
Straight and bi women do not have the context to understand what it's like to grow up constantly having het sexuality crammed down your throat when it grosses you out, so they take offense when lesbians are disgusted or irritated with them.
Recently in here, I got tired of it and called them "dick worshippers." One called me a misognist (lol ok) and another went into a defiant rant about how much she loves her husband's dick.
Straight and bi women can never leave their men at the door when they enter women's spaces. They have to literally bring them in or talk about them constantly (don't you have a life outside your dick-haver?) And if you express any irritation, then you must be a sexist stereotype butch lesbian or someone who hates straight and bi women.
ARGH.
Could you imagine if I came into a random thread talking about how much I loved going down on my (hypothetical) girlfriend? They would have a meltdown. But I have to listen to them gush about dick 24/7.
I think I've only talked about women's vaginas one time in the entire year I've been here, and that was when it was relevant to the conversation. The thread was about (straight) men calling women's vaginas ugly. And even gay men are hateful about their disgust, calling us fish or whatever.
Lesbians are not hateful. We are (SOME of us are) disgusted by men but we don't shame men's bodies and call them nasty names. When I call men gross, no men are around, and if it's online, then it's in a women's space where they aren't welcome anyway. THAT is the difference.
I can't believe I was called "sexist" after the years I spent performing radfem poetry to educate people about female oppression.
And straight/bi women wonder why some of us resent them.
There. I just wanted to get that off my chest. Thank you for listening.
Edit: can't do grammar when I'm mad.
She has gone through abuse that has left permanent scars and handles it with more strength and resilience than those men can handle a story that's not even about them.
I hope she realises that it was herself alone that got her through those times, that it was her who didn't give up. She doesn't need that fake community, she has gone through hell and back all alone and still is standing to tell her story. And she damn well should be able to shout it off of rooftops if she pleases so.
Another post from a TIF that is so close to getting it.
Admits that AFABs are treated in way that makes it easier for men to exploit and abuse them sexually. Check.
Admits that AMABs dismiss the experiences that AFABs want to discuss when these experiences go against their preferred narrative about the nature of misogyny and power. Check.
Admits that she has been so badly traumatized as a sexually abused AFAB that she hasn’t been able to recover from this experience. It haunts her to the point of disability. Check.
When will she realize that identifying as man is simply a maladaptive reaction to trauma? Perhaps she will stumble upon this post and it will finally click in place. At least one can hope.
Sad she felt she had to pretend to be a man because of such horrific abuse.
I have much more sympathy for TIFs than TIMs for this reason, among others. It is very very often a trauma response with TIFs. I also simply don't find it offensive to try to pass into the oppressor class. Mainly I worry about the physical effects for them when they medically and surgically transition, but otherwise TIFs are so much less problematic than TIMs are IMHO.
Yea this is just very tragic and I don't even want to judge in this case. I can see how she got the idea probably escaping into the online world and met with all this transgender nonsense at such a weak point in her life.
It's very common to develop either an eating disorder or dysphoria as a result of abuse.
It chills me to know that I would have fell into this crap at 19. I had been severely abused by a homophobic narcissist, was very mentally ill, and would have either transitioned or wound up with a TIM.
Reading one of the comments now: > I hate to say it, but it hasn't been brewing "recently." It's more that it's been coming to a boil recently. Transmascs being kicked out of "shared" spaces by transfemmes who deflected/projected their dysphoria onto the guys has happened for literal decades. I've joined and quit many forums over the years because of it.
What a shock that men have been speaking over women for years and years and years and years.
This is why I will always feel more pity for TIFs than anything else. Most of them have been traumatized by misogynistic abuse, yet they subject themselves to more of it by associating with men in skirts who both loathe and fetishize them for being female.
I guess the TiMs are jealous of her '''girlhood''' experience that they '''missed out on'''.
God, this whole idea of 'if you transition, then you were NEVER your birth sex' is so fucking bizarre. And now it silences sexual assault victims in another way. There are already too many instances of 'rEsPeCt yOuR rApiSt'S pRoNouNs'...
Why are TIMs so jealous of the violence we've suffered? Why must they constantly romanticize our suffering as "cis privilege" and, simultaneously, dismiss our lived reality? Why the need to disabuse us of our trauma in lieu of their own alleged oppression?
The TiMs in that group deserve to be named and shamed. Like, why is nobody cancelling these disgusting sexist pricks picking on an abused woman?
They forgot because they were so eUpHoRic over being allowed to abuse her further.
There's a reason they go after CSA and rape victims so viciously. They, like all men, hate women who openly discuss male violence, and they get off on being misogynistic to her with the full support of the woke mob.
I've actually experienced that on reddit. How even they cannot see that blatant cognitive dissonance between pretending to be a woman and consistently siding with the male offenders (or NAMALT-ing as hard as they can) is beyond me
This poor young woman, trying to escape her trauma and the body in which she experienced that trauma.... trying to find a safe space... only to be further abused by these dipshits.
Aside from that, can anyone please explain to me in very simple terms how those men are managing to interpret what she said as TERFy? I don't get it?
Because she mentioned socialization and described very female experiences. They want to pretend that gender is innate -- including women's submissiveness -- and that TIMs were really women all along and never experienced male privilege. Her experience exposes their lie.
(I'm assuming that your question wasn't rhetorical?)
Thank you and no, not a rhetorical question.
So they think trans people are the opposite sex from their body right from conception? So you can be trans before you even know you are trans? And they think if you have a woman's body and you are told how women are meant to act and your body is abused - abused precisely because it is a woman's body - then because you later believe you are trans that means you weren't experiencing misogyny after all, but were in fact just a guy being raped (?) by another (straight? gay?) guy and none of it has anything to do with the fact that you are/were female because you were never female? What if she doesn't know she is trans at the time and neither does the abuser?
Could any one of us turn out to have been the opposite gender all along but without knowing it? Or alternatively if she didn't used to be trans and now she is then I guess they think she isn't Tru-Transᵀᴹ but then that would mean she is actually a woman after all in which case it is misogyny and she isn't a TERF? WTactualF? This is the most idiotic ideology ever. I don't even want to waste any more of my time trying to figure it out, it's just nonsense.
To your hypotheticals in the first paragraph -- they would probably call that transphobia. Because they were treating her like a woman.
To your hypothetical in the second paragraph -- somehow it still wouldn't be misogyny, she would still be a TERF, and everything would be transphobia. No matter the situation, women are evil and trans people are the true victims. You need to start with that conclusion that then make up the logic to get there.
Yeah, that's exactly it isn't it. They decide on the conclusion first, and then do whatever ridiculous mental/logical/woo-woo/postmoderngibberish gymnastics is required to get to it. Anyone who tries to undo the non-logic is a TRANSPHOBE. Anyone whose experience is difficult to absorb into the wider narrative is a TRANSPHOBE.
It's almost like TIMs are dudes who simply aim to replace women talking with what they want to hear and put us back in our place.
These people are deranged. What does being raped as a teen have to do with "transphobia"? I just find it ironic that the community of "empathy" and "acceptance" has no compassion for a rape victim in their own community. They'll cynically use trans rape victims and suicides but will shit all over those same people when that person can't give them unadulterated worship and validation. Her story wasn't about them but they took offense to it because it wasn't about THEIR pain and oppression. Everything has to be about them. I have no doubt that is was mostly Tran-Identified Males that took offense. She would probably get alot more compassion here than she would in the trans community. I feel sorry for her because her "transition" was probably a means of escaping that trauma and she didn't need them. They're self-centered vultures who only care about themselves.
It’s a male supremacist movement, there was never going to be any sympathy for women and girls, whether they claim to be men or not. It’s their place to be the sexual property of transvestite men.
I don't really think they're that deep in terms of thinking. They're just raging narcissists and fetishists with the male tendency of expecting obedience from others. I think you're giving them way too much credit, lol.
Individually they may not be, but the movement is MRAs in drag. It’s deliberate. Its point is to destroy women’s rights.
I get the impression like they really do crave validation from real women. That's why they hate lesbians and straight men who won't sleep with them. They want those right for themselves with us - they don't necessarily want to "destroy" them. Like they know, men are violent. so they want to escape them and live out their fetish, so they fight to be in our prisons and bathrooms. BUT, they don't give af if that opens up the door for harm to actual women. They know they can fight these men off and we likely can't. They don't care if they subject us to danger as long as they can live out the fantasy as a "woman". They're fine with "women's rights" as long as they enjoy those benefits.
I think you’re giving them too much benefit of the doubt.
I'm not giving that. I'm saying they're desperate for our validation and want to enjoy the privileges we fought for. They're mentally ill.
They want all the privileges and to deprive us of any rights. It’s a rapists’ rights movement. Mentally ill or not, they’re perverts and criminals.
Hmmm weird, the same old pattern
So inexplicable :/
They just don’t want to own up to their male foundation is all— hilariously enough it’s shining like a diamond when they refuse to even let other people talk about anything that might insinuate it.
Once again male fragility is more important than addressing women's trauma. This shit is dystopian levels of reality denial.