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lesbianPolitical lesbianism
Are we as an RF, same sex attracted community, sacrificing political lesbianism, due to how many other attacks there are on lesbian only space from 3rd wave liberal feminism and identity politics?
I'd never join a lifelong lesbian space. I'd never join a gold star lesbian space. I'd never join a butch lesbian space. (For that matter I'd never join a femme lesbian space.)
I do join lesbian spaces.
I chose to be lesbian after first becoming RF and following it to its logical end which I believe is feminist separatism; and secondly after a fundamental xtian het marriage I had ended in misogynist abuse and cheating. I've been lesbian for 8 years. I don't have emotional or sexual interest in men, I even don't have friends who are men.
I'm no stranger to being asked to leave lesbian only space, or challenged regarding whether I belong in lesbian only space due to aspects of my life history.
Political lesbianism in terms of purely rejecting sexual relationships with men, alone, I can understand why that does not a lesbian make.
If people want to describe me as a female exclusive bisexual that's their call.
I think second wave feminists were onto a good thing when they advocated for political lesbianism in the sense of lesbianism by choice.
And I feel we're losing that wisdom and liberation.
What happened to Every Woman Can Be A Lesbian - Alix Dobkin? What about the writings of 2nd wave lesbian separatist RF writer Bev Jo Von Dohre and her publication Dykes Loving Dykes?
We don't need to defend lesbianism by saying ALL lesbians were "born this way" and therefore should not be subject to "conversion" therapy (masking / suppression indoctrination).
Why wouldn't choosing relationships with women alone be a superior choice to het / bi in an RF context?
I see too many women fucked over by men and going back to men. If there ARE women (and there are) who have experienced realising the misogyny for the first time, and have never been able to stomach or conscience relationships with men after that; women who've fallen in love with women after that, why wouldn't we acknowledge them as they are? Lesbians by choice. And welcome them into the lesbian community. Even if it's merely a lesbians by choice community.
I do have a discord and a FB page, both titled "Choose Loving Women" (naturally it was impossible for me to resist stylising this as "Ch⚢se L♀ving W♀men", the letter "o", sorrynotsorry I couldn't resist). Please feel free to pm for the discord if political lesbianism is your jam. Admittedly I know basically nothing about discord so it's very much bare bones at this point.
Lesbians who don't have an issue with lesbians by choice most welcome 💜
So what's happening with promoting the knowledge that women can choose to be lesbian? Why are we not preserving this like other aspects of the 2nd wave? What can we do to engender better understanding about lesbianism by choice?
So true about that attitude of "getting round to women's rights after the important things". I was listening to The Rest is Politics podcast and Alistair Campbell was very irritable at the audacity of JK suggesting some women may not vote Labour because of their concerns about women's rights. Mind you, he hadn't had time to read about what JK said because guess what ladies he was far too busy, watching the football, which as we all know is far more important.
This is "Intersectionality" in a nutshell. "Intersectional feminism" means "women need to put female issues on the back burner so they can serve as Activism Nannies and emotional support animals to other groups who are deemed more oppressed than the vagina people"
That's not what intersectionality originally meant. It meant that some people's oppression was compounded by more than one thing. Specially, women who are black are oppressed not just as women, not just as black people, but specifically as black women.
I’m pretty sure Dave Chapelle said something exactly to this effect once. Something like, we’ll get to you women once we deal with the ACTUALLY important issue, racism. You know, the issue that affects men? Until then, pipe down, ladies, and get in line.
Fuck him.
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Hey, you got any links you could share in the topic of your opinion? Or, if you got a minute, please expound.
I have never looked into Mr. Chapel, and am interested to learn more about his stance regarding women/feminism.
I just recall him catching heat for not apologizing to the T-cult.
Dave Chapelle is a total asshole misogynist. One of his sketches is just him going around harassing strange women about their breasts. Look up "New York Boobs". He's fucking sick.
Edit: I just remembered an interview once where he said he knew how women felt after having to carry a bunch of cash with him once on public transit. As if the fear of getting robbed is in any way equal to the fear of getting raped. I fucking hate him.
The unique bond between all women regardless of our personalities, backgrounds, sexualities, races, religion, etc etc. is something I love about being a woman. I can't even describe the feeling, it was best said "women get it. men don't. won't elaborate."
Whenever I would get into arguments with my father about women's rights, he would say things like. "Women are so mean to each other. women are too competitive with one another" blah blah blah, as if males aren't 100 times worst in that regard. It's just another way to make women feel defeated.
I'm tempted to get a Xwitter account just to follow her tweets. She keeps hitting it out of the park!
And it's so true. Men on both sides of the political divide don't like it when women talk to each other and compare notes. The one silver lining to this gender madness is that its causing women to unite with other women that they otherwise would never speak to
That's why they lean so heavily on calling us 'right wing', or the right call us 'lefty/marxists'.
I see so many comments about how she is "deranged" and "obsessed with trans people's genitals" and so forth. Honestly if I were her I'd stop posting and just fund things. She's brave.
Why stop posting? Her posts are based
I would if I were her purely due to all the hate. Like I said, she's brave. Braver than Mr.
Being told by erstwhile friends that my concern for women's safety made me part of a lunatic fringe has been an especially disappointing thing.
Yeah, honestly at this point I'm not interested in any "political tribe" with men at all. Left-wing men and right-wing men only differ in the specifics of how they think women should be owned, and seem determined to out-do each other in demonstrating how vile and violent they can be any time they are told "no." I'm over it.
Once again, Dworken called it:
"Right wing men want women to be private property. Left wing men want women to be public property"
Right wing men want to be the boss of women, and left wing men want to be the clients.