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discussionI want to discuss lgballiance with you all
I happened to comment on bev Jo's blog, and bev jo actually commented back, so I decided to add her on Facebook. We had a short chat, and she got me in touch with one of her dear friends. This friend of hers and i had a long discussion on facebook messenger, and she gave me a list of gc radical feminists on youtube I could listen to, and recommended the podcast heterodorx.
She's also part of lgballiance usa. So if anyone's curious, you can go to the lgballiance usa website, and they have events and a schedule. I think on the 3rd Sunday of every month, they do lesbian and bi women's group. You can actually see a schedule with all the happenings, you click on the link of which event you want to be apart of, you register, and then you are basically all set to do zoom meetings with fellow lgb people. I am all set to do my first zoom meeting with lgballiance this November and have already registered.
Bev Jo's dear friend who i got to chat with also recommended a couple of books too. I think I will share the title of those books below. I think lgballiance is the way to go for me personally, because even though there is a pride center where I live, it is trans inclusive. If anyone found out I am a terf, I would probably be doxxed or they could find out where I live and threaten me etc. So it's just too risky for me go to the pride center and be part of that community.
Yes. The hierarchy is:
Men
men
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Women
Hierarchy:
Men in wigs & dresses
Men
Objects
Make-believe creatures
Women.
Well I hate myself for saying it... but both Michael Phelps and, deep breath, Caitlyn Jenner spoke out against Lia Thomas in the competition. On the one hand, you can say that Caitlyn has nothing to lose since they won all those medals when Caitlyn was Bruce, on the other hand, fair play to acknowledge that Thomas has a huge advantage and obviously won by two lengths? In either case, it is helpful for them and people like Martina Navratilova to speak up. More likely to be listened to than the other athletes on the swim team unfortunately.
PS - keep sharing full body pictures of Lia Thomas and Rachel McKinnon. Not a 'nice' strategy, but seriously, the average man that sees them next to their competitors just laughs and goes 'surely not'. That convinces more people than a lot of text. The label 'transWOMAN' overrides most critical thinking on social media. The men simply do not understand why a 'woman' should not be in a communal shower or womens' swim team. Women immediately understand the impact of a pre-op TiM on many other women in these spaces. Men emphatically don't. We need to convince them.
Not a 'nice' strategy
It’s not a mean strategy, either. It’s just showing the truth. Not like it’s “body shaming,” just showing the vast physical difference between them and women.
Yep . Now that I notice this more, I find it amazing how many papers will just print pictures of the faces. It just means that if people point out that they look male, you'll be an arsehole, punching down, for going after 'man face'. When you see the whole picture of them standing next to a woman, it becomes clear how this would matter to the competition.
I wonder who will be the first female athlete to break her anonymity. It must be so hard for them.
So true. Trans at the top, men are second, women come third (if at all).
I think TIM's and regular men are still just about equal, then TIFs and then women.
Oh for sure, I think like everyone else in the world I always think of TIMs when I hear trans.
Yes absolutely, this is a men's privileges movement. Tifs are still ranking above women but they are nonetheless an afterthought.
Ugh, the captcha for the archive link won’t let me through. Does anyone have the original link?
All the women swimmers need to hire an attorney and come forward together and put their identities to this. Nothing changes when you complain about how no one will stand up for you if YOU WON'T STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. This is exactly why this is all happening so quickly -- everyone just wants to sit back and have someone else take the hits, someone else do the hard work.
This is happening to these female swimmers. Organize with the team, organize with all the other women swimmers in the country. Stop whining and do something.
I'm genuinely not coming for you, because on the surface you're 100% right. But you have to remember, these girls aren't just potentially losing a spot on the swim team. They'd be risking being asked to leave school because they're a "danger" to 6'4 men in wigs and lipstick. And then students from other universities would make sure they weren't welcome in those schools either.
Every "liberal" news source will make sure their faces are plastered all over the internet. They'll make these women unhirable . TRAs have nothing better to do than ruin women's lives. It's what they're in it for.
Not every woman is JK Rowling. We don't have billions to fall back on. We're not untouchable. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful to Rowling but speaking out isn't a realistic option for those of us who need an education and money to survive.
If you don’t play you cannot win.
Neither can he.
I think about how women actually died in order to get the vote. I wonder if it's going to take something like that in order to be heard. I don't want ANY women to die for this, it's upsetting that that might be what it actually takes.
But then I think about all the newsworthy female deaths in the past year and how absolutely nothing had changed. In fact, many places have continued to slide backwards.
I don't know what it's going to take to succeed, but I agree we can't stay quiet anymore. I wish I could switch bodies with those girls or something and stand up for them. I have routinely shot myself in the foot over over the years in order to hold onto some stubborn value I have. It's the one "positive" trait of mine I'm actually really proud of.
I wish I could do more but I'm not a swimmer on that team, my thoughts being publicly broadcast would do and mean nothing. I'm not in any prominent fields or hold any kind of power.
The best we can do is perhaps start crowdfunds to finance their legal fees and living expenses? Once someone has a solid safety net they're more likely to speak up.
The problem is that they will take on a real cost that didn’t use to exist - the wall-to-wall social media coverage vilifying them to the entire world, the cancel culture allowing no forgiveness or nuance, the loss of academic and professional opportunities, and more. It’s a lot to ask. Humans aren’t built to endure that level of public shaming. That being said, I do think there is safety in numbers. The whole conference (not just the Penn team) should protest and refuse to dive off the block when Thomas is there.
I get the frustration, but these are still kids being let down by the adults in their lives. The odds of them being horribly bullied by their peers and staff alike for publicly speaking out is huge. They're probably terrified of destroying their futures. I'm 35 and I'm not sure I could deal with that.
What I want to know is why the parents aren't getting lawyers involved-I have little doubt my own father would take action if this happened to me. They've got to be voicing their complaints to each other...is there any chance they're working on something that the public isn't aware of yet?
At the same time we routinely see girls younger than them staging walkouts and protests for other causes.
Being the key words. Is there any cause more hated than standing against the trans agenda? AGP and medical Billionaires made sure the answer is "no". I'm not saying resistance is pointless, but we shouldn't put this burden on the young adults/expect them to make sacrifices that we aren't being asked to make. Again, where are the parents?