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I've recently seen Requiem for a dream so I went online to check other people's opinions about the film, as I usually find interesting details I've missed. So far I've found 3 different men saying that "Marion got the best ending".
For context, the endings are:
Sara ends up losing her mind
Harry loses his arm and is in jail for 3 months
Ty is in jail for 3 months
Marion is raped repeatedly and prostituted for drugs
Sorry but I'd rather be in jail for 3 months without my left arm than being raped? Quoting one of the men who said this:
"Marion got off so fucking easy despite being the worst person of the four and yet she gets more sympathy than the men. It sums up pretty privilege and the women are wonderful effect"
Let me break this down:
Got off fucking easy: she had to prostitute herself when she clearly didn't want to
She is the worst person of the four: she did nothing wrong towards other people in the whole movie? The only thing I can think of is the argument with Harry, but it was more than justified since Harry was the one who told her to fuck a creepy dude for drug money. Sara and her didn't hurt anyone other than themselves.
She gets more sympathy than the men: notice how he doesn't even mention Sara. He just cares that people feel worse for her than the other 2 dudes. As far as I've seen, people are empathetic about the 4 endings pretty much equally
Pretty privilege: people don't care about her ending because she is pretty. I don't even know how to expand on this because it's a wild take
Women are wonderful effect: we aren't wonderful, it's just that men are shitty 🥰
It's as if men are unable to feel basic empathy towards women
End of the rant
I first saw this movie when I was 15 and it had a profound effect on me. Marion’s story was so incredibly tragic, definitely the worst of the bunch and I remember talking to other friends about this and they (both male and female) had the same thoughts. Sara and Marion’s lives were completely ruined while Harry (who was already a bad boyfriend) had zero recourse left over to help either Marion or his friends.
Drug addiction is really bad. Poverty is really bad. It is 100% worse for women.
Jesus. I thought it was clear that Marion got the WORST ending, because her nightmare isn't over yet. Imagine thinking she got off light, good God...
Sorry, a bit off topic, buuuut…. That bathtub scene where Marion is screaming under the water? That’s a shot for shot rip-off of a scene from the anime Perfect Blue. There’s a video of the director, Satoshi Kon, talking about how Aronofsky shamelessly stole from him. I’ve seen some people over the years defend it as “homage,” but Kon never saw it that way…
Also, didn’t Aronofsky date J-law when she was 27 and he was almost 50? Eww… never liked the guy.
Aronofsky also made Black Swan, which bears some strong plot similarities to Perfect Blue
he should stop trying to remake a movie ten times better than anything he will ever create, it's embarrassing
Black Swan is also a huge ripoff of Showgirls, just "classier": Instead of strippers, they are ballet dancers.
I have to admit I know nothing about directors and celebrities in general but... Ugh. Thank you for the info
I don’t really think of this so much as ripping off Perfect Blue, artists borrow from each other constantly. No one is original. Just my two cents.
And she was 27 and he was 50, but I don’t like to pretend like 27 year old women can’t consent. I don’t agree with it and I think the age gap is concerning, but she wasn’t a child.
I think it's less about men having empathy for women in this case, and more about men being unable to see having sex as something unwanted.
They see it wasn't enthusiastic sex that's a positive experience, but it's still sex so they see it as a win. If a man had to have sex with random female strangers he found unattractive, he wouldn't mind it that much.
Well, I can only say I'm happy I never went and read opinions on the movie. I liked it a lot but I wouldn't want to rewatch it because it was physically and emotionally painful in ways I cannot properly describe. I felt hurt and pain for all the characters involved, by mostly for Marion and Sara. I really wouldn't want to think that me feeling this is part of myself being a woman, and that not empathising for them is part of being a man...
I just remember that the guy who introduced this movie to me cackled at that scene with Jennifer Connelly. He thought it was so fucking hilarious.
that scene is the only thing i remember from this shitty pretentious movie and it makes me feel completely ill
Men enjoy sick scenes like that. The "decent" ones at least are ashamed to admit it. A guy who would show that to a woman and laugh about it sounds seriously deranged, he's so pornsick that he thinks this is normal and has no shame.
Which one, "i know its big but i didnt take it out for air" or the a33 to a33 scene? Either way, gross scrote
The latter. And yeah, he was a total creep. Is a total creep I'd imagine, but I haven't seen him in a long time.
Maybe this film was of its time or something, but I saw it recently, and as an adult who has struggled with addiction, I found it quite cartoonish. The Sara storyline made me the saddest. (On a personal level. I felt terrible for Marion, but I felt it was cartoonish too.)
Did you watch the rated or unrated version?
Tou are so right on who has it worse. Men are so full of porn they dont realize how awful that was for her.
I didn't know there were two. The most explicit scene was the ass to ass, I don't know if that answers it?
No, both versions have that
Was Sara force fed mashed potatoes or had EZT?
Was the black guy in a southern Jail where he was called the n word?
I am convinced that men do not see rape as an assault. They see it as "just sex". Since that is all they live for and all they want from women, they think that's what women want too.
The only time I really see men seeing rape as an assault is when they watch the infamous scene from 'Deliverance.' When it's men raping other men. Because that's the only one where they can empathize with the victims rather than the rapists.
I think men who watch that scene are convinced Marion is having as good a time as the men who are exploiting and humiliating her. They don't see her fate as being gross and horrible. If pretty privilege means having to go through what she went through, no thanks.
These men who enjoyed that scene are trans now and want to act it out. They are sick
or they're just rapists and love the idea of using and violating women
That too. So much overlap tho
On point. I just recorded an angry sarcastic audio to a friend saying "oh it's just a woman being penetrated, that's what they are for, so it's not that bad!"
OMFG.
They have no idea of dominance or assault as weapons. Except they do. That's why rape is classified as a weapon of war.
They absolutely do not. I agree. Some might, but I think the overwhelming majority do not. I'm also convinced they are fully actively invited and encouraged into this perspective, in particular by means of one particular type of content a huge amount of them consume regularly...