The link is below but it is paywalled so here is the text as well
The best line in the new movie The Substance, a gory, gaudy, body-horror feminist cautionary tale, is a question asked by the main character, Elisabeth Sparkle, played by Demi Moore. Sparkle is a glamorous television star, an aerobics instructor whose physical near-perfection is seemingly undermined by only one thing – her age. She realises this when her boss, Harvey, a repulsive sleaze played deftly by Dennis Quaid, takes her to lunch and while beheading then eating prawns like a pig – the camera hones in on the spittle and sauce flying from his mouth, as we hear every salivary, open-mouthed chew – he informs her that “at 50, well, it stops”.
A neatly groomed Moore stares at him: “What stops?” He demurs, flubs and leaves the table to talk to someone else. Indeed, what stops? Any time we see powerbrokers in this film they are old white men. It’s not over for them. Harvey himself is considerably older than Elisabeth – Quaid is 70 (though his fourth wife is 31). But Elisabeth is fired on her 50th birthday.
I was expecting to loathe this movie – all the talk of beauty standards, and the devaluing of women who, somehow, manage to grow older, just like men, seems endless, often fruitless. So often, efforts to decry the futility of women fighting ageing are clichéd or end up holding up the whole stupid patriarchal idea anyway, so women end up feeling anxious and diminished, not enraged and enlarged.
After all, the star of this movie, Demi Moore, 61, is known for her beauty, her attempts to look young, her constant physical modifications and endless maintenance. She is playing a 50-year-old.
During the film I was periodically blocking my ears (every noise was heightened: the insertion of needles into flesh, feet slipping in blood, a cigarette being lit), groaning in disgust and laughing at the ridiculousness of the final scenes. Audience members have walked out, fainted and vomited. If you’re at all squeamish, it’s well avoided.
But at the end, I was full of admiration for the originality of French director Coralie Fargeat. The cinematography is crisp, the colours vivid, and the message is clear: in trying to defy our bodies lies the way of madness; poisonous ideas about the way women look lead us down dangerous paths of insatiability and dissatisfaction, and we are all complicit.
Here is the premise: Sparkle, desperate to maintain her status and defying ageing, gets sucked into taking a neon-green-glowing elixir of youth called The Substance, one that “unlocks DNA” and causes a younger version of her to exit her body (more gore, through the spine) and take up the job she was about to lose. The voiceover in the advertisement asks: “Have you ever dreamt of a better version of yourself – younger, more beautiful, more perfect?”
But the caveats are that Elisabeth and her younger self – Sue, who quickly becomes a TV star – need to take turns being in the world for a week, then being at home, rejuvenating for a week. Sue (played by Margaret Qualley) begins to take liberties, Elisabeth seeks revenge, and grotesquerie ensues. Elisabeth begins to dramatically age, resembling a furious, hairless, gnarled gnome. Demi Moore is fantastic.
Many have blasted the film. They are right to say that, in it, the female body is both exploited and made repulsive. There are countless close-ups of Sue’s sweaty breasts and perfectly round ass. And Elisabeth, once she feels ugly, old and washed-up, goes mad and becomes monstrous, a familiar trope known as hagsploitation.
I kept wondering how much The Substance cost, and if an addiction would bankrupt Elisabeth, but we never find out. The billions that women willingly, happily, repeatedly spend on often unevidenced anti-ageing treatments could fund entire economies. Men, too, under the guise of “looksmaxxing”.
American journalist Paula Froelich has detailed how this film captures the horror she feels at growing old, and enduring constant procedures, including burning skin and leaving slices of eyelids on surgeons’ floors. She writes in The Free Press: “I applaud The Substance because it does not sugarcoat … It depicts the bind in which women find ourselves: the pressure we’re under, the ghastly battle we wage daily with ourselves, and the horrific ways in which we torture our bodies and our minds in the search for youth, success, and acceptance.”
I get it. But does this really reflect all of us? Does it have to be a ghastly battle? I’d like to propose another reading, one in which women pull wind into their lungs over a lifetime, iron into their spines, certainty into their gazes. There are many alternatives to the path of cutie to crone. Think of the glory of Marie Curie, Susan Sontag, Dorothea Lange, Mary Oliver, Judith Wright, Toni Morrison, Helen Garner, Nauiyu elder Miriam-Rose Ungunmerr-Bauman. Women who have understood what we think of the world is far more interesting than what it thinks of us. This film outlines the problem, but not the alternative.
‘It depicts … the ghastly battle we wage daily with ourselves, and the horrific ways in which we torture our bodies and our minds in the search for youth, success, and acceptance.’
This may be because, as Fargeat said in an interview, she believes beauty standards “somehow stay forever on your shoulder”. She says: “You can tame them. You can make them less loud. You can put them to sleep for some time, but they are still your strongest inner enemy that you have to deal with, and that’s what I wanted to show … the reality of how society still works and what we have to live with. To show how violent it is, but also to show how difficult it is to make that change on our own.”
Sigh. She wants women instead to know that, “if you don’t feel good, it’s not your fault; everything around you is responsible for making you feel like that. So, hopefully, if we see some change in society, it will help us all get out of this jail that we have built for ourselves.”
The timidity of this statement contrasts to the fury in the film. And the frustration of women who like to think and talk about something other than discussion of their own beauty, or lack thereof, or decay. Surely one way out is, if not to turn the mirror to the wall, to turn away from it.
I couldn’t help wondering if Elisabeth, instead of imbibing toxic liquid, perhaps needed a few good friends, who would be growing older alongside her, maybe a therapist, some books and definitely a hobby, something like ocean swimming? Something that forces her to stop looking at her reflection and start looking around her, at others, at the natural world, at the absurdity of things.
Because company makes everything endurable. Sit down with a group of close, banter-driven, loyal female friends and ask them about ageing: before long, probably within a minute, they will be roaring with laughter, wiping their eyes, raising their glasses and getting on with it.
Julia Baird Julia Baird is a journalist, author and regular columnist. Her latest book is Bright Shining: how grace changes everything.Connect via Twitter, Facebook or email.
Gender nullification surgery is quite possibly the most horrific thing I have ever heard about. Even worse than genital configuration surgery.
I first heard of it in the old debate sub, when the person who was talking about it said that it was initially done for gay "subs" and that it was being adapted for NBs, and it really gave me nightmares.
You'd "love" the story about the "agender" girl on reddit posting for months about having this surgery at age 19. She never seemed sure what this surgery would exactly do because sometimes shed mention they'd leave her clit and sometimes she said she'd be all smooth down there like a Barbie doll (wtaf). Then months after posting this again and again in every sub under the moon, she ostensibly had it done but said it didn't fill the emptiness in her. Well quelle fucking surprise!
As a German i see this akin to the Nazi experiments and I'll die on this hill.
Considering how these surgeries quite literally have Nazi experiments at their origin, dying right here on this hill with you.
You would be entirely right in comparing them to those experiments.
The only difference is that the victims are willing (or at least they are brainwashed into being willing), but it's equally horrifying.
I know who you're talking about, it's really sad. I go check her profile once in a while just, I don't know, to make sure she's still alive I guess?
There are always lots of "support" for her in the posts she makes, and only a few people actually pointing out how disturbing the entire thing is.
What's her username? I always got the impression she made her posts as a cry for help like someone could talk her out of it. Of course some poor traumatized kid doesn't know that reddit is run by a ring of pedophilic trans identified men who'd ban anyone who dare questions anything trans....
I don't know if it's allowed to write people's usernames here, but it starts with "useless".
That's definitely a possibility. She talks a lot about her rich dad pushing for different surgeries for her. Obviously she says he's doing a kindness but I get the vibe some part of her understands it's abusive.
Wow i did not know about those things! In a way now i hope this is the creative writing project of some incel ...
Where is the below hell level
Wake me up inside (can't wake up)
The fact that puberty blockers could potentially create 18-year-olds with the undeveloped bodies of children who pedos could legally have sex with 🥶
I think this one is very important.
Edited to add: also the entire TransLifeline fiasco, and how it so perfectly represents the broader ways this movement both contributes to and uses suicide.
The ftms and the lesbians who date tims contracting aids needs to be talked about more bc that is a damn shame..
I think it was a notable TIF from a few decades ago who wrote memoirs about how she would stealth rape gay men and then waxed poetically about how contracting HIV from this behaviour made her a true and honest man. Every day seems like a better one to not have eyes.
Tim's are just often homosexual not in here for a long time promiscuites, so they spread that shit to others like it's free. Sad
Oh, that is just...I have no words. Intentionally getting hiv to prove that you're one of the boys. Jesus.
Louis “Lou” Graydon Sullivan
“Ironically, I have been diagnosed with AIDS, still seen as a gay man’s disease … I took a certain pleasure in informing the gender clinic that even though their program told me I could not live as a gay man, it looks like I’m going to die like one.”
Also, "If Hitler was trans you'd still need to use his preferred pronouns or else you're a TERF bigot."
Like many here, I'm at the level of "need to spend less time on the internet because it gets even worse than what's shown here." Amazing the things that a combination of sexual depravity and becoming unmoored from material reality can churn out.
Yeah, I've been trying to wean myself off the internet for years. It's hard because my job requires me to be online all day, but I've still got one foot out the door, including posting less here. I'm a sensitive person. Not sure I can stand much more of this.
Feel this, hard. Think internet was kind of a mistake for the human psyche in general (she says...on the internet).
This image is great but it could use a rainbow sparkly tentacle monster down at the bottom
Posed like Goya’s Saturn eating his children.
(ETA: Goya! Not Blake!)
there’s another level further down w all the autogynephile memoirs quotes, neovagina disaster photos, ftm porn, and then there is a level under that that’s just Joe Lavery and a level under that with just Alok V Menon and there’s more levels under that that have things that i don’t want to imagine
So many medical terms i learnt because of trans butchery, such as the lively "fistula" which for TIFs can mean they defecate through their vaginas. Holy UTI what a nightmare. Also colostomy bags for life for previously healthy 20 something TIFs
Fistula is far more common in women who have given birth—I'm actually really surprised the first time you heard about it was in relation to trans issues.
This highlights how much we hide from women about childbirth. There's a chance having a baby will leave you with a colostomy bag for the rest of your life.
Holy shit. I feel kind of angry everytime I come on here and learn something about women that I should have learned in school.
I didn't know about this either. D: I also think about having kids, but I always thought of having a c-sec (I know several women who had it and they were fine).
Also, I have seem some fellow radfems talking about how women should stop getting c-secs because there's a mafia out there for placentas, and should start giving birth naturally. None of them mentions fistulas, obviously.
Sad.
Wow! I genuinely did not know that! Is that something you can avoid with a c section? I know those come with their own set of issues, but if i ever have a kid i might have to have one either way, because i will be rather old...
Yes. I used to work in home health care and we did quite a bit of fistula care and TPN (IV food) for women with fistulas- usually from Crohn's disease, but sometimes from other gynecological or intestinal issues).
such as the lively "fistula" which for TIFs can mean they defecate through their vaginas.
TIL 🤮
I am deep among those ungodly, hideous angler fish with the light-up appendages. google it.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! I know exactly what you mean. I'm there too, with the giant squid and the fish that implode if you bring them too close to the surface.
Yeah I'm at the bottom too. I'll never get over the tampon stuff. Ever. Ever ever ever.
#EVER
Is that the using tampons as teabags or suppositories? #whichisworse lol
No, a TIM posted about grabbing dirty tampons out of the trash and pretending to use them, while getting off to the woman who used them.. I hate the internet.
Whatever is like…2 levels below the one on the very bottom…yeah…that’s where I’m at
I don't know what gender nullification surgery is, and I don't know whether I want to find out 😖
You really don’t want to know. But if you did, there’s been threads here about it.
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I don' t know if NBs get the same, but when it' s "subs" doing it, it happens. They want to be completely unable to feel pleasure in order to please their "master" by taking a completely passive role in the relationship and in the bedroom.
But wait, isn't pleasing their master a form of feeling pleasure?
These people are so fucked up, why am I even trying to understand this...
I gave up on trying to understand these people. Both for their boner for superfluous surgeries and for their fixation on kinks and depraved sexual relations.
I really am unable to understand their mentality, and at this point, even if I know it's wrong, I can't even feel pity for them.
I hope I used "The Tea" correctly, lol.
Meme courtesy of Helena https://mobile.twitter.com/lacroicsz/status/1503161163076366338
When I’m taking to my TRA friends and debating this stuff I’m the one in the beanie. But I’m actually at the very bottom.
Me too. I feel your pain.
I feel like if I actually spoke to them about Johnathan Yaniv, and the period fetishists, and the Challenors they would think I was completely crazy.
What is the Jazz Jennings hypnosis scene this talks about? Do I even want to know? (Guessing it was on his tv program or something?)
I'm not sure which disgusted me more, "gender nullification", or the surgeries of "NB" TiMs who kept their penises and had a hole drilled into their testicles as a "nonbinary vaginoplasty". Complete with pictures all on Reddit!
Right at the bottom. And my face looks exactly like this whenever I read some trans stuff.
Oh wow, I heard of every single layer and there are, as others have said, more layers below that.
Looks like I'm only a Level 4 TERF so far. So much room to grow!
I don't know if I should be encouraging you to go deeper or warning you to look away!
Lol this is both amazing and terrifying. I’m way down in the cold, dark depths.
Shucks, why is Yerba mate there? It’s awesome
I'm guessing to mark the top pic as a college student, default liberal and woke.
I haven't been able to figure out what "transmaxxing" means. Can anyone explain?
I don't even know what half of this is. Should I make an effort to learn about it or is ignorance bliss?
I'm halfway into the level 4th from the top and even here there are things I wish I didn't know/had never seen. So I would go cautiously if I were you.
It doesn’t go down far enough.