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shewolfoffranceJanuary 3, 2021

When the tide turns, I want all the politicians who handed violent sexual predators a captive pool of potential victims by allowing men to self-ID into women's prisons to explain in detail why.

[Deleted]January 3, 2021

I want them to go to jail.

shewolfoffranceJanuary 4, 2021

Me too.

CleanSlateJanuary 3, 2021

Fuck explanations--I want them jailed.

shewolfoffranceJanuary 4, 2021

I'm want them to publicly admit what they did any why.

RubyRedPythonJanuary 4, 2021

Might I suggest the good old trusty guillotine?

yikesforeverJanuary 4, 2021

What would they go to jail for? What would be the laws they ran afoul of?

SulphuricMirrorJanuary 14, 2021

Housing male prisoners with female prisoners is considered a violation of the Geneva Convention, unfortunately under male supremacy, men will never admit that there is a legit war on females, so it will never be tried as a war crime even though it should. Those people would be dragged to The Hague!

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[Deleted]January 3, 2021

They won't, because they're still men and think women are titted NPCs. Male arrogance is eternal.

SevenJanuary 3, 2021

They will forget that they even did this to us and will still blame us for whatever they have in mind. They ascribe us what they don’t like from their own beliefs

[Deleted]January 3, 2021

They will say that most TRAs were women. Which is true, but an adult politician does not have to listen to an internet mob, and we all know that the most vocal voices in the UK (at least) are male, from Owen Jones to Pink News editors. All. Men.

JellyfishesJanuary 3, 2021

Most TRAs are women, but the ones who tell them what to do are TIMs.

VerdandiJanuary 3, 2021

That already happens. :(((((

"This is what you wanted, feminazis!!!"

pennygadgetJanuary 3, 2021

Yeah. The poor, deluded handmaidens will be thrown under the bus by male TRAs without a second thought.

[Deleted]January 3, 2021

Male or female, the diehard TRAs aren't mentally stable or self aware enough to understand and learn from their mistakes. They'll likely just find another way to make themselves out to be the victims all along because they will always be seeking that validation first and foremost.

There is hope that the people who were strung along because they were trying to be decent and good will realize though and have enough of a conscience to acknowledge what they'd participated in and allowed.

But likely people who are that self-aware are already keeping the trans movement at an arms length, and will have put enough distance between themselves and TRAs to blame radfems anyway. Like the American voters who like to abstain from voting for any party to maintain their own political purity, people like to misconstrue apathy as virtue.

Sometimes radical feminists seem to forget that everyone hates us. Liberals or Conservatives, female liberation threatens to dismantle either side's version of patriarchy. You're right that we will continue to be reviled even when TRAs are revealed in the mainstream to be the predators and abusers they are.

HessaHeinJanuary 3, 2021

We have literally terabytes of evidence. Ladies, remember to archive everything!

Researcher1536January 3, 2021

I'm an actual historian haha 😄

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HessaHeinJanuary 3, 2021

Perhaps it would be best to create a large collection of resources for women to see. I do like the idea of QR codes in public.

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AlexiaresJanuary 4, 2021

Several of us on Ovarit are familiar with the FreedomBox project and setting those up. Those can be set up for offline backups and so that the data can be quickly copied by those who would like to research details more deeply. The LibraryBox variant may be a bit easier for this... I posted a bit about these both awhile back.

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AlexiaresJanuary 4, 2021

For my part one of the big uses for FreedomBox is its built in application that allows you to block ads and anything else you may choose to in a more convenient way than working on the hosts file. It's software suite includes programs for file sharing, web hosting, a vpn, and so on. Wonderful stuff.

To my knowledge there is not a group of radical feminists setting up either of these as a specific project yet, but perhaps we can get something started here or share anything we hear about it on Ovarit, should that make security and practical sense, of course!

Here are the FreedomBox and LibraryBox pages for ease of access: https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox http://jasongriffey.net/librarybox/index.php

CigarsofthepharoahsJanuary 3, 2021

When the tide turns I want them to remember we warned them. We warned them young people would regret what had been done to them and medical providers would end up getting sued. We warned them in the hopes they'd listen before so many were left damaged by puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and botched surgery. We were trying to stop the harm. I think we're seeing the tip of the iceberg re lawsuits.

pennygadgetJanuary 3, 2021

And we won't get the credit for warning them. They won't act until someone like Blaire White takes on the cause (and gets all the credit for doing so)

bornwithovariesJanuary 3, 2021

Reminds me of when feminists were warning about women's situation in Afghanistan and then, when Republicans wanted to go to war four years later, it was "let's liberate Afghan women! Where were the feminists on this issue?" Oh I dunno... literally the only people fucking talking about it???

VerdandiJanuary 3, 2021

I get a constant eerie Cassandra feeling from all of our discussions.

[Deleted]January 3, 2021

Exactly! We will never forget how TRA's an and TIM'S warmongered against women and women's rights, how they wallowed in specifically male depravity at our expense.

[Deleted]January 3, 2021(Edited January 3, 2021)

This is what scares me sometimes. When the backlash hits, men are not only going to weasel their way out of accountability, they’ll probably find a way to blame it on us. TRAs are racking up quite a bit of experience in gaslighting.

pennygadgetJanuary 3, 2021

I've already seen asshole anti-feminists claim we asked for this trans bullshit because we "wanted to be 100% equal to men". That will only get worse when the normies finally hit peak trans and rebel against this shit

boudicaJanuary 3, 2021

Omg, I fell into a Joe Rogan video hole yesterday after watching some of his more "gender critical" clips, and was absolutely incensed watching his interview with Ben Shapiro regarding transgender issues. The arguments in favor of genderism have given right wing assholes like Shapiro so much ammo against actual progressive movements like feminism and gay rights. The male corruption of feminism into the libfem "feminism is for everyone" has honestly helped bolster the right, and it's fucking infuriating for actual leftists!!!

He was using arguments like, "Well, this is what feminists brought on themselves, saying that women can do anything men can do, hur hur hurrr!" when the topic of TIMs in women's sports was brought up. This was the interview where he also famously said (in relation to Bruce Jenner winning some "Woman of the Year" award), "Look at how it proves men are better than women! Even when we have only been women for a few months, we are better at being women than women are!" (Note: these are not actual, word-for-word quotes, just my best summary without having to go back and listen to him again.)

Gender ideology fits perfectly into the arguments of the right wing, because it is also a regressive ideology.

[Deleted]January 3, 2021(Edited January 3, 2021)

I've seen that too, and it disturbs the hell out of me, but we need to be vigilant and prepare for that. The majority of us were caught completely off-guard by the gender id movement, and I feel like we need to continually be thinking about the future and not allow ourselves to be blindsided like that again.

[Deleted]January 3, 2021

Yes, I’ve heard this one too coming from the type of MRA dipshits who think they should be able to hit women because “that’s equality”. I hear similar logic coming from transwomen all the time, except they believe that pronouns and hormones magically erase all sex differences and there’s no real difference between a punch from a 200 pound man or a 200 pound woman. That, and because they call themselves women they can assault any woman they don’t like.

Naturally liberal feminists in all their cluelessness think they’re supporting equality by erasing the distinctions between men and women that DO matter (physical) and embracing the made up ones that don’t matter at all (gender stereotypes). That’s how we have arrived in a batshit insane clown world where men can compete in women’s sports, but girls who don’t like dresses or makeup are no longer considered female.

This is why I was so grateful to find radical feminism. It isn’t focused on vague, subjective notions of equality but on liberating women from male violence and control, which by definition requires understanding how the physical differences between men and women contribute to oppression.

bornwithovariesJanuary 3, 2021(Edited January 3, 2021)

That's one of many symptoms that we don't have a good handle on language. "Equal" does NOT mean "the same as," but occasionally you still see people on "our side" implying that it does. That and some of us keep saying over and over to stop saying "gender" when you mean "sex" but there are STILL radfems and GCs making that mistake. Please stop. They win the language battle long before they win the rest of the war.

[edit] Before someone asks: "Equal" means "having the same value."

Five pennies are not the same as a nickel but, like a nickel, they're also worth five cents.

[Deleted]January 3, 2021

This, and equality is often conflated with fairness. Usually a pretty shallow, childish idea of fairness that thinks taking nuance or context into consideration is a double standard. “If they can do [x] then I should be allowed to do [x] too!” Even if the circumstances are so obviously inapplicable, they start to sound like the idiot from Monty Python’s Life of Brian who thinks it’s unfair that he can’t give birth.

yikesforeverJanuary 4, 2021

I see that one all the time, men blaming feminism for this.

BoxingBelleJanuary 3, 2021(Edited January 3, 2021)

So we dig in our heels and say "No."

[Deleted]January 3, 2021

Definitely. Bless the women who have been archiving everything for several years at this point. If anyone refuses to believe we were right all along, at least it won’t be because of a lack of evidence.

[Deleted]January 3, 2021

I am never forgetting this.

BloodOfTheRaptorJanuary 3, 2021

I do love this post tyranny outlook. It's refreshing to think about being past this version of gaslighting patriarchy.

itsnotabouteweJanuary 3, 2021

I know this is wrong of me to say and wrong of me to feel this way but I want them to suffer a little to get an inkling of how much suffering they have caused to others. It's like wanting to thrash one child because he thrashed his sister and you want him to feel the hurt he caused her. It's wrong but it's just my gut reaction to those who have delighted in deliberate cruelty to people who were only trying to protect women and girls.

VerdandiJanuary 3, 2021

Sometimes it's honestly the only way people will learn.

Just look at all the people who swore covid was fake... until they got it. Now they warn everyone to wear a mask, stay distant, etc. Sometimes it actually takes experiencing the thing to actually learn some empathy.

[Deleted]January 4, 2021

When the tide turns I don't think I will be able to forgive those who weren't with us today. The media, the TIMs, the TIFs and "nonbinaries," the politicians...

They won't be able to claim they didn't know. It was all there and they chose to ignore the truth for self interest.

HermioneJanuary 3, 2021

I’ll be the party pooper here. When “the tide turns”, there will be a whole new generation of idealistic looking to change things young people who overestimate their cognitive reasoning.

The only thing that will make those people unavailable is if they are having much bigger immediate problems like poverty, police states or a war to fight against.

All of those are looming, but then again, so long as young people are plugged into their devices and never go outside and actually do something that takes mental energy they may ignore all the real threats, as they are now, to focus on a few people who have tricked them into thinking they are worse off.

Les [OP]January 3, 2021

Changing circumstances never stopped feminist women before us. It's a given. Any time we make progress there is a counter-movement.

I don't think you're being a party pooper. We've held many conversations here about how the backlash against trans activism will potentially negatively affect women's rights and LGB advocacy. In some ways it has already begun, and I don't think the women here are unaware of the various political and social issues that affect the context of turning the tide.

[Deleted]January 3, 2021(Edited January 3, 2021)

When the tide turns it will be due to conservative/rightwing men mobilizing (probably violently because men) against them. Men only respond to men. This will scare TRAs hard enough that they will de-wig en masse. Then, in the reconciliation period, the brethren will join hands and mobilize against women, who started it all with their wanting to be equal to men, which they will define as "being exactly like men." Women will lose again. Wish I had a better ending to this story and would LOVE to be proved wrong and mocked down the line for being too pessimistic.

boudicaJanuary 4, 2021

I am most definitely worried about an extreme right wing backlash in reaction to the past few years of gender woo. There's always an ebb and flow to politics, and extremism is typically met with extremism in response. It's frightening to think what it might lead to, especially when it comes to women's rights and gay rights. And that's not even including the generation of children currently being raised around indoctrinated parents, teachers, and other authority figures. Kids rebel against authority, so what kind of second coming of the yuppie generation could genderists be summoning up here?!

lucreciaJanuary 4, 2021

I fear the kids who are currently TRAs will become everything they currently accuse 'terfs' of being, but with TRAs' penchant for censorship, harassment and violence. Think of every ignorant kneejerk reaction you've ever seen in a TRA space and add it to every ignorant kneejerk reaction you've ever seen in a GC space. And somehow they'll find a way to always go after women.

ratherbecomesJanuary 4, 2021

I fully expect if/when this ends, the 'TERFs' will be completely blamed for everything. 'Maybe they had some points,' they'll say begrudgingly, 'But they were too cruel, too abusive with how they spoke about it. If only they'd been a bit nicer."