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DurableBookAugust 12, 2024(Edited August 12, 2024)

The top definitely resonates.

The bottom is confusing to me. Is "terven" being used in the sense that TRAs use it, to apply to any person who doesn't comply with transgenderism? Because actual radical feminism is incompatible with conservativism, by definition, so "conservative TERF" is an oxymoron.

dust_cloud86August 13, 2024(Edited August 13, 2024)

I think most of them haven't actually looked into radical feminsim and buy into the idea that it's conservative.

xuxunette [OP]August 13, 2024

Well, I can't find the reference right now, but I've read in a paper that trans-exclusionary positions have been held by Christian feminists from the US well before (around the 80's I believe) our current gender war.

The rest is an inference from Twitter: as a leftie, I was kinda surprised to find out big accounts like Hazel are out and about Trump supporters.

I have no problem allying with women of any and all political confessions on the trans issue though.

niffinAugust 13, 2024

I agree with DurableBook. Also, I'm not sure what the squigglies through the bar on the bottom are supposed to represent.

I think the issue is that the top part is more like "accurately describing the hidden reality despite their external labels" whereas the bottom is more like "where labels get (incorrectly) applied as slurs".

Most of us radfems here, I think, would agree that, even though the people saying "TERF" don't understand what it means and are applying it to people that aren't "RF" or "TE", radical feminism does imply rejecting TIM demands to be considered as "women", so TERF is not really an "incorrect label" for most of us. I feel like many of us have kind of jokingly embraced/reclaimed the term "terven" (e.g. "terven sisters on Ovarit") because it takes some of the sting out the slur usage, and (like I said), it's not technically "wrong."

OP is right that much of the "trans exclusion" in the US comes from a conservative religious angle. However that same religious conviction about sex-based gender norms basically precludes them from aligning legit radical feminism, so when people label them as "TERF" it's almost always wrong, and just and empty slur.

[Deleted]September 5, 2024

I actually do have problems aligning with the Right on trans (I am a bit more comfortable aligning with the Right on abortion). Rad fems have been against trans shit on feminist grounds for a long ass time. See Janice Raymond, The Transexual Empire 1979. Please do not credit the right. There weren't any Christian women risking their career and lives over this issue. Raymond and others were in the feminist movement.