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rainNovember 15, 2024
Most of them don't even think they're born in the wrong body - it's just a fetish and that's what we're expected to respect.
this is sort of a dismissive false comparison. The actual TRA argument is that regretters are 1% OF 1% who were trans, aka 0.01% of the population... and that is why they argue that regret is negligible.
however, chances are - the number regretters is WAY higher than 1% of trans people. regretters are not counted in WPATH surveys, they get turned away from doctors, and feel discouraged from sharing online. it's hard to get a realistic count. they may be a small percentage, but certainly not 0.01%, and definitely not negligible.
SonnetNovember 16, 2024
Concerned about male athletes in women’s sports? Double-mastectomies for teenage girls? Tedious language games? Trans people are an infinitely small and vanishing minority, why are you even bringing this up?
Four different girls at your local middle school? There have always been trans people, now they can come out, get over it.
RedmageNovember 15, 2024
This is honestly in a lot of things. My whole life I was told I was high risk to develop a condition my dad had. 10 percent chance. But then there was some medical thing recently I was worried about and the doctor and all the websites were like "this side effect is rare -- only 10 percent of people get it."
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EavaNovember 17, 2024
That number, as inaccurate as it is today, was even inaccurate back then at a time where 1) there was no pediatric transition, 2) doctors did major gatekeeping, it took years before they would approve a TIM for surgery, they had to "live as" women for 1-2 years, and even then, if the doctor did not think a TIM could pass, they would not approve them for surgery.
RappaccinisDaughterNovember 16, 2024
/r/detrans was talking the other day about how it usually takes people about 8-10 years to decide to detransition. Seems like after that length of time is when you run out of fun, exciting changes and reality (like health problems, or growing out of puberty) starts to come home to roost.
If that's the case, we should be seeing more and more them as time goes on.
FemmeEtalNovember 16, 2024
In my dreams, I imagine the day when there is a bazillion dollar class action lawsuit federal court case and thousands of detransitioners march and demand to be heard once and for all.
PracticalMagicNovember 16, 2024
I wonder, do they stop identifying or do they just get tired of medical issues?
RappaccinisDaughterNovember 16, 2024
It depends from what I've seen, but mostly they stop identifying.
A lot of trans people seem to quit hormones or not pursue further medicalization, but I wouldn't call this de-transitioning. Many still believe in an objective gender soul, regardless of their body.
Some people do seem to detransition because they aren't passing, or transition didn't give them what they want, rather than that they no longer believe in it, but this seems to be a smaller group.
From what I have read, mostly detransitioners wake up and realize the promise of transition is an unattainable lie. Often, medical issues contribute to this "waking up," as they realize they have traded their health for empty promises that never came to fruition.
iirc it's 1% of people who have had surgery, and it's a really old statistic too. I imagine by the time you get to chopping your balls off you're probably pretty committed. Also people this stat does not count people who dropped off the radar and people who regret it but don't detransition for whatever reason.
I imagine the detrans rate among people who only took hormones or socially transitioned is a hell of a lot higher than 1%
LillithNovember 16, 2024
I bet even the committed ones end up regretting the health complications and botched surgeries.
Jellyfishes [OP]November 16, 2024
A lot of TIMs on reddit regret because their libido and ability to orgasm went to hell lmao
The thing about the 1% or there are so few transgender athletes is, how many are acceptable? What is an acceptable amount?
Using the argument there's only one transgender athlete somewhere, Blaire Fleming has so far been the reason for seven games being forfeited in the Mountain West Volleyball Conference. So how many women did that affect in their own sport? Plus a coach got fired.
So it doesn't matter that there's only one. This selfish male wretch has affected all the women playing in that conference.
And it only takes one to spike a ball into a woman's head and give her permanent brain damage. One man's feelings apparently trump a whole league of women's actual safety.
And if it's so few, then what the fuck is the problem with dealing with them appropriately?
If "only a few" male people are cheating their way into women's leagues, then great, kicking them out won't have much impact, right?
Why is "there aren't very many" people behaving badly an argument to let that small number of people continue behaving badly?