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I disagree with the comment, Farthing should be replaced with 1970s half penny (the smallest coin we ever had in circulation).

p.s. a farthing is small low-value former British coin, worth a quarter of a penny. …gods Emma is the best 💪

[–] SakuraBlossoms she/TWAM 4 points

Gender non-conforming men do suffer from discrimination, regardless of if they believe they internally "feel like" women or not. It's impossible for a man to suffer from misogyny, other than suffering due to emphasizing with women who face it, which TIMs are obviously incapable of.

Gender non-conforming men do suffer from discrimination

Do they? Certainly not more than non-conforming women do. In fact, this man who "is known to sometimes go to work in a wig and women's clothing" was awarded a place on a list of the Top 100 Women in Business.

Meanwhile, non-conforming women, i.e. women who refuse this humiliating performance, get fired for not wearing makeup, or fired for not wearing heels.

It's impossible for a man to suffer from misogyny, other than suffering due to emphasizing with women who face it, which [men who demand we pretend they're women] are obviously incapable of.

1000%. How can they empathise with women while they're busy demanding we lie and also pretending we don't exist but also that they are us. Ludicrous blatant misogynists

I think historically men suffered some discrimination for being gnc. I recall Nicky Wire talking about being beaten up for wearing women’s clothing on a couple of occasions (and refusing to throw a punch back, star that he is). But that’s 80s in teeny Welsh mining towns. I grew up in teeny backward Scottish towns same time and boys who wore make up or weren’t matcho enough got bullied in school plenty.

But Nicky Wire on stage in a dress and eyeliner clearly was a benefit for the Manics early publicity, it was part of their non conformist appeal, part of the asthetic of videos, woven through lyrics at times. It wasn’t anything they faced discrimination over then.

Men are the class with all the power, it’s easy for them to change the expectations for their sex. These days men are applauded for being gnc, celebrated. There will be areas that lag behind that norm, but discrimination for being gnc for men is very rare now.

[–] SakuraBlossoms she/TWAM 1 points Edited

Certainly not more than non-conforming women do.

Of course not, they're men. But people like the idiot in the post love to use the fact TIMs might get made fun of for choosing to roleplay as caricatures of women to somehow claim they are thus women, which is easily disproven (in addition to countless other reasons) by the fact that a man doing all of that but not being deluded enough to actually think he is a woman would face equal ridicule. You're right though, I'm thinking of times long past. Now they are lauded as heroes.

Also I have to quote this women's "dress" code from one of your links since this is genuinely psychotic:

“Full makeup at all times: base, blusher, full eyes (not too heavy), lipstick, lip liner and gloss are worn at all times and maintained discreetly (please take into account the store display lighting which has a ‘washing out’ effect).”

I've never worn any of those things except lipstick when forced to, nor would I know how to. Insane a woman would have to paint her face like a clown just to put food on the table.

Thinking back to my original comment, it isn't fair to compare GNC men who might get discriminated against for not being masculine enough (incomparable to what women face, so boohoo) to men forcing us to pretend they are women. Their bullying of women and narcissism is extremely gender conforming, and any disgust people exhibit toward a man forcing everyone to take part in his fetish is just a natural reaction to being a victim of this, the opposite of discrimination.

Genuinely psychotic is right

Insane a woman would have to paint her face like a clown just to put food on the table.

yes precisely, you put it so succinctly. The price of being born female.

it isn't fair to compare GNC men who might get discriminated against ... to men forcing us to pretend they are women. Their bullying of women and narcissism is extremely gender conforming, and any disgust people exhibit toward a man forcing everyone to take part in his fetish is just a natural reaction to being a victim of this, the opposite of discrimination.

Exactly. First of all 'GNC man' doesn't even mean 'not being masculine' anymore. It now means performing femininity, i.e like Phillip Bunce, just them performing our oppression. It's offensive and not at all like what 'GNC woman' means, which is just us being natural, and refusing to perform.

So it's not fair to compare GNC men with GNC women, but also like you said, it's not fair to compare actually GNC men (men who aren't traditionally masculine, like bowie or prince) with men forcing us to pretend they are women.

They aren't GNC at all. If they adopt the 'trans' moniker and inject themselves with our natural sex hormones wear our sex characteristics like a costume, and demand that we pretend they are us... I mean not only is that the most gender-conforming thing you can do, but yes their bullying and narcissism is extremely gender conforming, too, I hadn't even really considered that!

An oppressor class impersonating an oppressed class is never not offensive and disgusting and dehumanising. And on top of that, it isn't even benign impersonation (if there even is such a thing..) because they get off on it. It's sexual and a fetish, and when you add that all together, it's a wonder all four billion of us don't just take to the streets in anger. PLUS, cross-dressing is the most common paraphilia of convicted sex offenders, so there's that too. and then they cry boo hoo that their entire claim to 'oppression' is that some meany feminists refuse to pretend they're women. it's just darvo bullshit. this entire movement is a disgusting farce.

your missing the point, a man can make his discrimination go away by changing his clothing and acting more like a man is expected to act in public then he will be accepted and left alone to get on with life as the male he is.

a woman can not make her discrimination go away by conforming to what her oppressors expect.

men rule the world women are subordinate to men and objectified by men, conformity for men is very very different to what conformity is for women.

its like saying black men wouldnt be discriminated against if they wear sharp suits and are overly polite, everyone can still see they are black no matter how they dress or behave.

[–] SakuraBlossoms she/TWAM 1 points

I see how my wording was unclear. I didn't even remotely want to suggest we should feel bad for men or that the discrimination they may rarely face if they choose to act in GNC ways is comparable to the extreme oppression of women. I meant it as a counter to what the idiot in the image was saying, since TRAs often think it's a "gotcha" to say that TIMs may get made fun of. Like to me it seems like the guy's final line is trying to say that because TIMs may be victims of discrimination, hate crime, or rape, they are somehow victims of female oppression. And my point is they are not, since on the rare occasion it does happen to them it is because they are gender non-conforming men, not women. If someone was going to discriminate against a man for being GNC, they'd do it whether or not he was in denial of reality, so that discrimination is obviously not in any way "misogyny." And I agree with everything you said 100%, which is why it's ridiculous for the person in the screenshot to be crying about men's rights and men's discrimination.

[–] Livin 2 points Edited

If this is true, then the same would apply to TIFs, female enbies, and "'queer girls" with "boi pussy".

I believe Peter Tatchell gay. I bet he only dates "cis" gay men and I highly doubt that he would ever date or sleep with a TIF. It seems like he knows who a woman is when it comes to his sex life.

he's a pedophile too - a pro pedophile activist - condones pedophilia, calls it "consensual" and "young sex", says that a 9 year old being raped is a "sexual experience" which gave them "great joy"

he's fucking disgusting. not sure why anyone listens to him; same reason PIE was rampant back in 1974 i guess. rebranding. sickos🤮

Omg, I didn't know that. That is so horrifying. What disgusting POS of a human being.

The Baroness is fabulous. And always has the decency of replying to every email immediately.