19 comments

HoneycreeperMarch 27, 2024

I have many questions as one who has knowledge of these sorts of things:

My biggest question is that it was not specified in the article how long exactly they were allowed to see each other through bars. If they were doing a socialization protocol for only a few days that is nowhere near enough time to say that these animals are compatible.

Second: if the female is not in estrus, then she will be in danger of getting hurt, full stop. If the female had decided she did not like the male and she tried to get away from him or tell him off and he escalated, then it’s at the fault of the zookeepers for not paying enough attention to biological markers such as when the female is in heat (or otherwise receptive to a male’s advances).

A few days or even a few weeks of lions socializing through bars is not enough time to observe if the male will ever get aggressive with her.

This zoo needs a better standard operating procedure for big cat socialization from now on and he should be removed from the breeding list. Or they should decide to do artificial insemination which is much safer for both animals if they are hellbent on using his genes still. I read that he had a previous mate and cubs before this, so other confounding factors are at play here from this incident and should be looked into further.

PtarmagantMarch 15, 2024

Maybe use semen from a male who isn't maladjusted and violent.

VestalVirginMarch 15, 2024

Yeah, breeding with this male doesn't seem like a good idea. There's lots of superfluous male lions around, if they don't euthanize those at birth, at least, so ... that male is utterly replaceable.

TERVENCORRUPTOR9000March 15, 2024

Horrifying. That poor lioness. And they're not going to exclude him from the programme when they don't even know what went wrong??

verysimplequestionMarch 16, 2024

This is like , completely representative of what patriarchy wants to set all women up for. They think they can cage any unhinged loser male with a woman for their breeding quota and then surprise pikachu face when an animal shows it’s nature.

[Deleted]March 15, 2024(Edited March 16, 2024)

They all keep saying this was out of the blue, so there was not (and next time probably will not be) any indication that the outcome would be a disaster. Based on that, I don't think he should be introduced to any more lionesses. I'm not an animal breeder, but couldn't they use a method similar to the way farmers impregnate their livestock using extracted semen, which they introduce with a swab? (I may not have the details exact, but the gist is that the two animals never actually met each other).

WokeuplateMarch 16, 2024

My stance is that it is unethical to breed wild animals in captivity.

This really makes me mad. Why are they playing games with these lionesses' lives?

AmareldysMarch 15, 2024

You would think they would do artificial insemination

[Deleted]March 15, 2024

I took a whole paragraph to say this, lol. But yes, I agree. It seems like a no-brainer.

VestalVirginMarch 15, 2024

I'm not so sure that artificial insemination is a good idea. It might lead to the male lions getting even more maladjusted. They could put a muzzle on the male or something, for safety.

ForestandthetreesMarch 15, 2024

This sounds like animal abuse too. It’s a good example of why we should be questioning why we think we’re entitled to keep these wild animals in captivity anyways.

ThelnebriatiMarch 16, 2024

There was a female tiger killed in a similar incident in 2022, that was in a UK zoo. Staff seem to think they can put the animals near each other for a few days then put them together.

[Deleted]March 16, 2024

I would think a couple of summers, at least. And then if only they observe mating behavior in both of them? Not sure what it is for lions.

FeminaMarch 16, 2024

Animals are not people but they do have their preferences for things much like us and sometimes they just don't want to mate with a member of their own species just because they are from the opposite sex and they may even not get along well much like these two and hate each other...

[Deleted]March 15, 2024