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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzvYn4ChbPU

Sorry about the Fox News link. But no one else is going to interview her. I'm amazed that this brave woman went on national television and didn't entertain his stupid identity by using female pronouns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzvYn4ChbPU Sorry about the Fox News link. But no one else is going to interview her. I'm amazed that this brave woman went on national television and didn't entertain his stupid identity by using female pronouns.

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As someone who swam i am so relieved that people are standing up to Thomas. Although, I believe Janet Evens swam in the 90s, long after title IX passed.

Hi fellow swimmer! I'm glad people are speaking out too. This is a sport where something as small as a poorly executed flip turn could cost you a win, and there are a million ways to be disqualified (like wearing the "wrong" suit)...a cheating man somehow gets past all the officials? Because they can't bear to hurt his feelings?

Didn't the same org ban swim caps that allow black women with natural hair to compete? It's just crazy to me that they have allowed this, but not things like that.

[–] Fury 20 points Edited

So weird to still see GC women apologizing for citing sources that are standing on the side of women.

Fox News has a ........spotty record when it comes to doing right by women.

You're going to trust "news" sources that won't tell the truth about sex with the facts of any other subject?

Can you name ANY other corporate media outlet that isn't drinking the AGP Koolaid just now?

Anywhere there are men, there will be sexism. Every single corporate media outlet hates women. All of them.

Exactly. It’s just not right that one side is regularly acknowledged as sabotaging women when both do. We can’t let any side secure power over women, and the left has really won that culture war, undeservedly. People need to be reminded of the evil the modern left has committed against women. Pornography, sexual objectification, prostitution, surrogacy, the removal of sex-based rights, etc. One side doesn’t unfairly get to call themselves the hero while inflicting their own specialized brand of misogyny.

Fox news is not standing on the side of women, they just dislike TRAs too.

I really thought the American people would at least pretend to give enough of a shit about children, that it would have been James/"Luna" , "Jazz Jennings", the Korean Spa incident, the Loudon assaults, the intact male sex offenders in various women's prisons, and the multiple school systems forcing teen girls to share private spaces with boys that would have inspired pushback. Not something as (IMO) meaningless as sports. Whatever. It's good to see, even if it would be "nice" if people would pretend to give a single solitary shit about the feelings, the dignity, the personal safety, and the very lives of women and girls.

As a former swimmer, I have been following this controversy very closely. I hope and pray this can be the spark that leads to a full revolt of this madness of allowing men to ruin women's sports.

I'm worried this kind of thing will backfire though, I feel like the best way to win over moderates and liberals is to focus on the fact that this person simply has an unfair advantage and that they should be competing in a "trans woman" category rather than against females. If the main people arguing against this are "misgendering" then it gives people an excuse to tune it out and say, "well, they clearly just hate trans people, I'm going to go with the opposite of whatever this person says".

I don’t think it will backfire.

Genuine anger is brewing right now. We are seeing real gains in women’s rights being eroded. A sense of urgency is needed to be conveyed if we have any hope in course correcting. You don’t convey urgency by using their language and padding your concerns with mollifying clauses and qualifiers.

Calling Lia “he” will get the TRAs to turn on their firehoses. By provoking their unhinged reactions using everyday language, it allows normies to see that that these are crazy, violent people driving this movement.

Courage calls to courage. I’m all for abandoning this pronoun nonsense.

[–] femlez34 1 points Edited

Well, I'm telling you (from personal experience) it would not result in peaking anyone in my liberal social circles. If your goal is to vent your anger, that's fine, say whatever you want. If your goal is to get dems to reverse these laws you'll be shooting yourself in the foot.

Edited to address your point about TRA anger peaking people: people generally don't feel pity for people they view as "bigots" being abused. They enjoy watching it and also enjoy joining in. Most people have some amount of rage bubbling under the surface and are looking for a socially acceptable outlet for it. "Transphobes" are a socially acceptable outlet for abuse, threats of violence, etc, on the left right now. So if your plan is to "misgender" a TIM, have that TIM hurl vile rape threats at you, and convince the left to join your cause, it's never going to work. People on the left will enjoy watching your abuse, or at the very least fear facing the same consequences themselves and it will reinforce their belief that they should never speak out on this stuff. Better to stick to facts such as hormone therapy not doing much of anything to level the playing field rather than wading into these highly emotional linguistic battles.

[–] Chronicity 3 points Edited

It’s not the libs (who are already lost in the sauce) that are in play. They may come around eventually, but only after it becomes socially safe to do so. That could be years from now. They cannot be pandered to without hurting women further.

The people that need to be peaked are those who barely have even heard of transgender. These are the people who would take one look at Thomas and say that’s a guy and not even know they are stepping in it. They are the people who don’t yet realize transitioning is as simple as identifying as the opposite sex. They don’t know that the word gender has been imbued with extra meaning and importance, and so they still treat it as a synonymous with sex. It would never occur to these people that “he” is literal violence when applied to a trans woman.

The ignorant masses are who needs to be summoned. Keeping this in the news is the only way, and the misgendering in that video will keep it going.

I used to feel this way but no longer. When you agree to use their newspeak, you agree that they are sorta kinda somewhat right. And then you have no real argument. After all, you yourself conceded that Lia is a lady!

I think people need to hear real language again. Even if they're dismissive at first. They can't escape it because everyone else is using honest words again. And it prevents people new to this issue from getting lulled into forgetting Lia Thomas is a dude.

We're ear deep in this disaster because we all agreed to use pronouns.

Nah, we've been trying it that way for years now. Best not to give the false illusion that he is a she a second more airtime than it has gotten already. We know from the TREs' own polling that people overwhelmingly see that having males compete against females in sport is grossly unfair. He is a he and it does no one any favors to deny that fact.

People weren't talking about it years ago in the mainstream because it wasn't happening much at that point. Now we have a golden opportunity to peak most people extremely quickly because the evidence is right in front of their face, just roll the tape. Disappointing that only Fox will cover it though, I guess other networks are worried that their woke advertisers won't like it.

I don't think it's because they're worried about anything. They're just feeling so smug, elitist, and holier than thou that they're in the right, that they believe this is not news and nothing to cover here. As far as they're concerned, it's TWAW, end of. Women just need to STFU and accept it. That's why they're not covering this.

People weren't talking about it years ago in the mainstream because it wasn't happening much at that point.

They are still not talking about it in the "mainstream", that is, any of the non-conservative media outlets. And it's been available for a number of years in conservative outlets because it started getting more common about five years ago around when the olympics changed their guidelines to no longer require surgery or an official minimal length of time or anything beyond a reduction in testosterone (a level still many times higher than a female average). Other places started changing rules too and some basically had no rules at all about who could play women's sports.

Andraya Yearwood, Fallon Fox, Rachel McKinnon, Cece Telfer, Hannah Mouncey & Laurel Hubbard were all clearly unfair but either not covered or given glowing profiles in magazines about their struggles, from around 2017.

I guess other networks are worried that their woke advertisers won't like it.

Is it only the sponsors, or is it the heads of corporate media too? Who benefits from Wokeism?

You'd think that people would turn OFF a broadcast that indulged AGP fantasy and boycott sponsors who "celebrate" TWAW garbage.

Imagine if we had real journalism, there would be more powerful voices than just Jennifer Bilek exposing who is behind this.

I can't believe corporate media and their sponsors are afraid to offend a minority of men with a sexual fetish. How long until Coca-Cola and McDonalds declare support for "Minor Attracted Persons"? It's coming right behind this.

[–] ascendin_lark 1 points Edited

Completely agree with you - I had my baby peak a while ago after accepting that gender was a prison and a load of rubbish, and that the only benefit of it is to trans people as it provides an easier way to transition. As people here know, once you think about it that way, it makes no sense to split sports via gender rather than sex, and it’s even harmful to do so as it legitimises a toxic social construct.

However, I can hand on heart say that having associated myself with TRAs and politically active young people IRL, they do not have much exposure to the gender critical argument, so they see using pronouns based on sex rather than gender simply as antagonising the trans person you’re speaking to. They see gender critical as synonymous with transphobic.

They truly believe, as I did, that they are advocating for the comfort of an oppressed group. If all they see is us and conservative media outlets “dogpiling” an individual trans person, and not making a language change that’s pretty effortless, they see us as nasty irrational bullies that would support an anti-woman, racist outlet like Fox if it means we get to “spite” trans women. They are then less inclined to listen to us.

I know it seems futile, but being gentle works and the gender critical effort is paying off - I am proof of it as I’m part of the “woke” generation and was a TRA until quite recently.

They truly believe, as I did, that they are advocating for the comfort of an oppressed group. If all they see is us and conservative media outlets “dogpiling” an individual trans person, and not making a language change that’s pretty effortless, they see us as nasty irrational bullies that would support an anti-woman, racist outlet like Fox if it means we get to “spite” trans women. They are then less inclined to listen to us.

If people are this dumb, they deserve to be brainwashed.

[–] ascendin_lark 0 points Edited

Sorry, this is ridiculous. Most teenagers are hugely impressionable and insecure and will buy into anything if it is said aggressively enough and with enough jargon to give an impression of intelligence and knowledge.

Do you really think people deserve to be mistreated just because they aren’t educated or intelligent? That’s just as bad as TRA ideology IMO. Everyone deserves a good and safe life regardless of intelligence. With this logic, we shouldn’t attempt to rescue cult members either, or dissuade anyone from gender ideology.

Yeah, to them it would be like listening to a really good argument against affirmative action, but then the person speaking used the n-word. It would completely turn them off to anything the person just said, even if the rest was solid, rational arguments that they were starting to agree with.

As much as it pains me, I think we've lost the linguistic battle on this one. Like in the gay community, "misgendering" a TIM just results in you being cut out of whatever person's life you just said it to. On the other hand if you say something like, "Sure, that person is a 'woman', just not a 'woman' I am physically attracted to. Are you saying that I should be forced to sleep with a person that I'm not attracted to?" people will agree with you 99% of the time, and start seeing the TIM as someone trying to override bodily autonomy. It's much harder for liberals to argue with that kind of thing. I think we need to make progress in baby steps, peak people as fast as possible to stop these laws, if they don't become full on gender critical right away that's fine.

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