More of a Venn diagram of overlapping interests, is my hypothesis.

Theres a lot of side benefits for pedos but i dont think its the main aim. The main aim is to use "wont somebody think of the trans-children?!" as a smokescreen for the all perverts jerking off in fishnets. The side benefits for pedos are:

• extended youth - blockers stunt growth and likely brain development, as well as traits of puberty like body hair. So you get a 16 year old (legal consent in some countries) with the body and mental maturity of an 8 or 9 year old

• kids with a history of assault are more likely to identify as trans and displace their distress onto their gender, and as we've seen a lot of them die young. So the responsible pedos are less likely to get outed and caught.

• "we're your glitter family now" - trans is a convenient way to drive a wedge between kids and their parents while lovebombing the kid for their cool and special gender ID

• kids are in the same "opressed class" as some of their abusers and so will hesitate to "betray" them. You cant send a poor widdle transwoman to prison over a little mistake!

sooo... yeah... that whole motley group of activists who just randomly happened to coalesce around the common cause of blocking healthy children's puberty, thus creating an eventual class of legal adults with the bodies AND minds of children. THOSE guys.
Do THOSE guys have a n0nce problem?

This ain't exactly the $64,000 Question here.

From what I've seen anecdotally, it's often former-TRAs-turned-TERFs who retain a residual TRA-type instinct to deny these links—or at least to deny their relative obviousness or plainness (e.g. "it's unclear" or "there's lots of nuance"). Pretty much every time I've gotten these responses (from people I know well enough to attempt some sort of depth analysis), the person has still been in mid-struggle of coming to grips with the enormity of the movement She/he used to support—a precarious place psychologically, where one more bombshell realization tossed onto the pile could lead to a breakdown—so an almost kneejerk denial is probably more of a psychological survival instinct than anything else.

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Also, the already-obvious ties between the TQ and the "+" (which we all know means kiddy diddlers) have been repeatedly affirmed by actual pedophiles and their militant apologists.

There are a few forums out there, and a couple blogs written by former leading members of PIE, that have open comment sections full of "MAPs" and their enablers—the vast majority of whom are definitely genuine n0nces (i.e. not trolls or Interpol spooks).

The funny thing about those guys (literal guys; I don't recall seeing a single openly Female commenter in any of those places, in all the time I've spent reading there to know thy enemy®—a bit surprising since there have, sadly, been numerous prominent female pedo apologists) is that most of the active commenters despise TRAs and consider transgenderism a ridiculous farce, and yet are STILL drifting slowly but surely towards a consensus that their only possible path to acceptance is to ally themselves with the TQ+, even while overwhelmingly thinking of the TQ+ as pretty much three imbeciles in a clown suit.

That's one hell of an "affirmation" (👀) that these groups are not just fellow travelers, but becoming more and more inextricable from each other as time goes by.

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Trans activists are removing safeguarding for women and children. Trans ideology is ''acceptance without exception'' and that includes sex offenders.

Any adult who can't see why thats a problem is a threat to the welfare of women and children, even if they themselves are naive, innocent, and well intentioned.

If a child can consent to experimental, dangerous, life altering medical procedures and drugs with dangerous side effects...then surely they can consent to sex?

^ this is the way I see it. Their goal is indoctrinating kids, muddying boundaries, getting them to lie to their parents. Trans ideology is predatory and sketchy as fuck.

There’s a disturbing amount of pedophiles that have been caught and arrested that were entrenched in major LGBT orgs or charities over the past few years. And as we all know, these few are just the tip of the perv iceberg because the vast majority of these pedos do not get caught. So statistically there are many more hidden in the TRA fold. And all of these men just so happen to loooove and endorse “trans kids”.

So yes, I think male perversion and the depravity of wanting to stunt a child permanently is a sick thrill for many of the men pushing it, including some “trans child” fathers.

There are a lot of pedos hiding in plain sight in this movement because of a few reasons. One is that it is part of "queer theory" which is historically absolutely inextricably bound up with pedophilia, and even when it's too unpopular to say it outright, there are many queer theorists who will still hint that they're lying in wait for this "question" to come up again. And they will find a way to boil us very slowly until we don't notice it's happening, and the TRA movement has been a great way to do that.

But I don't think the beliefs of some sleazy academics really have much to do with the average pedo creep in the movement who preys on vulnerable kids who feel like their parents are rejecting them. Others have brought this up here, but the "I'll be your new parent!" thing is very unsettlingly common and people are getting away with grooming and not even hiding it very well. Because they have found that the "protecting vulnerable LGBTQ+ youth" angle shields you from a hell of a lot of shady (at best) behavior towards kids. Because it's the right wing bigots like your parents who are the enemy, not oppressed, endlessly accepting, virtuous queer people like me who appreciate you for who you are and will lovingly indulge your every confused identity crisis!

I think the movement is "designed" to edge towards accepting and embracing more and more perversion, including eventually pedophilia, even if it is outwardly and often even genuinely condemned for now. That doesn't mean that there have to be some Illuminati adrenochrome overlords pulling every string, but the ideas that trickled down from queer theory into the online culture (and created a lot of the buzzwords and redefinitions that are so common in "discourse" now) were already tainted with this intention. Don't shame people for their kinks. Even if that kink is DDLG where you're literally roleplaying incestuous pedophilia, sometimes as an entire lifestyle. Celebrate it. Embrace it. Gatekeeping is unacceptable. Judgment is the purview of the bigots. People are what they tell you they are, no matter what it might seem. Unpack and unlearn your assumptions, aka destroy your intuition and any other vestige left of the old way of thinking. Listen to the voices of X group, don't trust your privileged self, let yourself be educated. If you think that this queer trans icon might be a pedophile, you're probably just bigoted against trans people. Why aren't you talking about Catholic priests instead? Etc.

Today 99% of TRAs will eagerly tell you that all pedophiles get the woodchipper. But even today they militantly believe (and demand that others believe) many things they would have called ridiculous strawmen a few years ago. So I would say that while maybe the process is largely automatic by now, they are being groomed to accept and demand acceptance of unthinkable things, including pedophilia. Whether the average brain-dead "I just want to be a good person and people tell me this is how to do it" TRA will ever accept that, I don't know. I guess we're in the experiment right now.

Whatever the reason, the door in the trans movement is opening wider and wider for pedos, and the sickos themselves can't help but notice at this point.

As for transing children and the whole "children can consent to these medical interventions" thing, I really don't know how directly it's related to the pedo-accepting rumbles I see in the movement. My first real exposure to the modern push for trans stuff was the Barbara Walters special on trans kids. Jazz Jennings was there among some others. I think these kids were propped up mostly because some of their stories seemed very heart-wrenching and it really seemed like they must have been born that way somehow. You couldn't help but feel for these kids and how troubled they seemed to be by their bodies and by looming puberty. I think it was a good way to tug at the heartstrings of people and make us think that the grown men in women's clothing that we saw sometimes were the same people somehow as these unhappy children, but those adult males never had a means to fix it early. Well, the segment told us that puberty blockers could help these children not have to undergo the traumatic and devastating changes to their body that would doom them to lifelong despair. It felt like the compassionate path and I think it was a way to hitch the T to the LGB. "We were born that way." And back then everyone just insisted that it was scientifically proven that puberty blockers were 100% reversible and it didn't matter if you delayed puberty, it was fine.

So I personally think that "trans kids" started out as a pure manipulation tactic, or maybe just a reach for a new and interesting vulnerable group of strange but pitiable people to fawn over, but now it's different. Now that the reality of prescribing more and more kids puberty blockers and perhaps even subjecting them to surgery is hitting, and we know what that actually looks like and the terrible lifelong effects of the trans-medicalization of children, and we've seen the Transhausen parents with our own eyes, I think the purpose of focusing on trans children has changed. The TRAs now use trans children as martyrs rather than as ambassadors. Idk how much pedos are involved with that narrative. I'm sure they're grateful for the ample opportunity it gives them to take advantage of confused children, but I don't think pedos are actually deliberately scheming about creating people over the age of consent who are nonetheless prepubescent. I think pedos typically want actual children and not stunted adults. But you had better believe that they like the idea that is being pushed that children are wiser than you realize and know what's best for them.

So yeah. Valid I guess.

Unfortunately the T actually is grooming and indoctrinating vulnerable children. They’re doing everything the religious right accused homosexuals of a few decades ago. It’s a valid argument in this case because unlike being gay, gender identity doesn’t exist in any meaningful way on its own. It’s an idea someone else has to put in your head first.

Way too many people seem way too invested in putting this specific idea into the heads of kids. I have a VERY big problem with people who try to argue children have the capacity to consent to anything they can’t understand the long term ramifications of. Taking that to its logical conclusion doesn’t lead to anything good.

Is it possible for it to be both? I think there are some very bad actors out there who might theoretically be interested in adults who are kept in a permanently pre-pubescent state, BUT the reality of what those damaged people would look like probably wouldn't be attractive to actual pedophiles. I cannot believe many pedophiles find Jazz Jennings attractive.

The other connection was, I think, in the Cass Report, or at least it was part of the discussion in some articles I read about the Cass Report.

And that other connection is that some pedophile fathers/stepfathers who brought their children/stepchildren in for "gender affirming care" may have wanted them to get puberty blockers so that they would continue to look like children - because children are what that man gets off on.

Absolutely chilling.

Realistically, I don't think that's actually people's primary motivation. At worst, it's an unintended consequence of TRA reasoning. In the same way somebody advocating for animal rights could have their reasoning twisted into support for bestiality (e.g. 'You think animals deserve bodily autonomy, surely that extends to the right to choose to have sex with humans?")

To me, the reasons TRAs are in favour of child transition are pretty simple. Ideologically, many do believe in that all people are born, or rapidly develop in early childhood, a fixed, intractable gender identity, which they are aware of and can articulate from a young age. Suppressing the identity of this 'trans child' by delaying transition achieves nothing but causing extreme distress, including (supposedly frequently) suicide. If you truly believe that people are born trans, then child transition is a justifiable. Hell, even if a few 'non-trans' children are occasionally transitioned and suffer for it, that's acceptable given they tell themselves it's rare - 10 'trans' lives saved for every 'non-trans' child who suffers is a reasonable trade-off.

The second is passing. Most TIPs don't pass, and if they do, it's in-spite of attributes like height and bone structure. If they hadn't gone through their puberties, they would pass better than do - they know that, we know that. So child transition is a kindness offered to children they identify with, from their POV.

IDK, I just don't see the necessity of invoking paedophilia. Even sissy-porn, from how it's described, generally focuses on 'humiliation' and degradation of adult men (as projections of the AGP TIM whose watching it), not boys in general. And only a minority of child transition proponents are actually AGP TIM's themselves.

It's not the only reason but it's pretty evident many people (mostly all men) are pushing this agenda. Just look up stuff like pink pilling. I've heard so many accounts of trans identified young men who were groomed by older trans identified men online, really pushing them in that direction.

What I think is that it sadly makes a lot of sense, and the link really isn't a leap at all. Arguing for children being able to consent to something that they obviously cannot consent to opens a lot of very dangerous doors conceptually, making it easier and easier to lead to the acceptance of other things. That said, I don't think at all that most TRA supporters are consciously rooting for the transing of children because of this, but it doesn't feel like a stretch to think that it might be very much intertwined for a scary minority of TRAs.

I don’t know that’s it’s a conscious conspiracy, but I firmly believe that trans identities for the vast majority of men are fetishes/perversions and that the nature of same is escalation.

Therefore, yeah, all roads lead to, in MANY CASES, eventually, pedophilia.

What kind of man advocates for giving drugs to children that will prevent puberty even until they reach the age of consent?

Idk if it’s the main goal but giving children the ability to choose medical or surgical transition is very close to giving children the ability to “consent” to sex.

Jee idk what's the profile of an adult who has a serious interest in stopping a child's puberty hm who would be the most interested in that let me think who could possibly care so much about keeping kids prepubescent it's a real head scratcher

I’d say it’s valid. They’re trying to make it about consent. As much as we’ve tried to raise awareness about what the word entails, they’re trying to use it as their own sword to fight back with. “See? Little Jimmy knows what he wants!”

They also use it to try and introduce concepts of sex earlier and earlier. While there is a case to be made for children having health-related information, they seem to want to demonstrate explicit concepts, like sexual expression or pleasure.

It’s also paved the way for grooming. Kids are online frequently, on message boards or chat services. The TRAs are frequently trying to pry the kids away from their parents (“Mommy doesn’t understand you, but I do.”) and such. They sell kids puberty blockers or other drugs, and use that as a means to solicit explicit images from the kids.

I voted "valid" but also wanted to mention how much I hate the common usage of the term "conspiracy theory" (this is NOT directed at OP, I completely understand why you use it in this context, as we all know what it refers to).

A conspiracy is literally just two or more people cooperating with each other to commit a crime (btw, pedophiles are experts at working together to abuse children and to make the world an easier place in which to abuse children). Conspiracies absolutely exist and happen all the time. It's not even a magical or far-fetched concept, like aliens or leprechauns. The notion that something is either true or a "conspiracy theory" makes no sense; conspiracies are real and there's no reason to think that a theory about a conspiracy happening is necessarily false.

Abused often dont remember their childhoods..

Abused will then assume their discomfort with themselves comes from what the media says... gender.

So the gendies believe they must always have been "a boy"

And transition.

Conspiracy theory does not mean wrong theory.

To be fair about this issue it may be useful to try to clarify what links and how they compare to other groups. For example, of course there will be some pedophiles among TRAs, just as there are pedos among other populations - like, you want to refuse any gay=pedo claims, eg, but underage boys hustling is a well known issue - there, the counterpoint is often that hetero men would be just as likely to pay for underage girls but they're harder to get.

Here, you can make the link in various ways, probably - do pedos who are not trans themselves see a chance to take advantage of trans issues? Do people identify themselves as trans bc they are pedos, and they see a chance to have close contact with a child, "groom" them or teach them about explicit sexual perversions for kicks? Is being trans a fantasy about being young and adolescent like these kids anyway, and wanting to help them sexually while not noticing that you're a 50 year old man the same delusion as being a pedo? Or are most trans people trying to imagine themselves as fully functioning adult versions of themselves and understand that a child needs to grow up before they can make adult decisions?