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Remove any leading and trailing whitespaces from a search query
Maybe bug, maybe suggestion, depends on how devs feel about it lol. So posting in the Suggestions circle.
I tried searching "relaxed woman " in order to find this post. Note that there was a space included at the end of the search query, because of how my phone keyboard sometimes autocorrects to include a space. This trailing space is included in the search results, making the post not able to be found because the title was "relaxed woman?"
Removing trailing space fixes the search and finds the post properly.
Suggestion: remove any leading and trailing whitespace from a search query.
This is precisely why identity politics and the fetishization of oppression is the biggest problem on the left right now. The only way liberal people (specifically young liberal people) can have their voices valued is if they can win a gold medal in the Oppression Olympics. And, if they're just a "boring White girl" or "an oppressive White boy", it's not surprising that they'd be tempted to identify into an "oppressed" gender/sexuality that would offer them instant clout in their social circles without having to really do anything
These comments are definitely insightful, but, more than that, they're just sad. Every single word just makes it so painfully clear that the writer has never had a real friend, and has never been offered any substantive empathy or emotional support by anybody close to them.
No sympathy or support from any quarter? No "right" to discuss difficult experiences or emotions? Good god, it's crushing to read that.
people to have peace expressing their normative parts
Again, 'tell me you've never had friendship without telling me you've never had friendship'.
Not to say that my girlfriends and i huddle together and cackle about our superiority as (mostly) straight Women (with some Lesbians thrown in there for good measure, and one girl who's bi)—but, "normative parts". by the very nature of the word normative, are the experiences of the majority so they're going to underlie our friendships and a great deal of our emotional support base by default. Because, well, majority.
Most of us date boys, for instance—so when one of our friends has boy issues/questions/curiosities, more of us will have relevant experiences to draw on in offering support or advice.
Same with other "normative" stuff.
In the non "normative" parts of our lives we're a lot closer to being on our own. E.g. one way I'm "non normative" is career trajectory. I have no plans to ever pursue any post-secondary education (i'm going to do some combination of freelance stuff I already do, plus skilled trade work that requires apprenticeships instead of college degrees)—whereas most of my girlfriends are going the mainstream 4yr college route. They just don't have much informed advice to offer me there, nor I them.
Honestly I could give a fuck what's "normative" and what isn't—but, having a base of life experience in common with my friends, and being able to draw on the whole common pool to make better life decisions, is, y'know. kinda nice. 🤷🏽♀️
These posters, on the other hand, have gotten to a place where they actually idealize NOT having that common ground with peers. It's almost like, no friendships is just taken as given, so, may as well defiantly reject the whole basis on which people could even build them.
Just sad. TIFs make me so impossibly, inarticulably, fucking sad.
These posters, on the other hand, have gotten to a place where they actually idealize NOT having that common ground with peers. It's almost like, no friendships is just taken as given, so, may as well defiantly reject the whole basis on which people could even build them.
Insightful. Might be part of why this generation is so isolated
This kind of actively mainstream-hostile embrace of non-conformity (which, ironically, sure as hell tends to devolve into an awfully rigid, some might even dare say conformist(!!), kind of non-conformity pretty quickly) may have been REinvented by zoomers under the trans banner, but, zoomers definitely didn't invent it.
Among the White mainstream in the States, the WW2 to silent generations had beatniks, Boomers and early genX had hippies, and late genX into millennials had hipster culture—all of which had pretty much the same kind of mentality at their core.
What those three incarnations of the same restless lonely youthful spirit DID have, though, is uartistic expressions and outlets—especially music, but not just (Boomer hippies were and are prolific visual artists, and Beats have a whole literature of their own).
Also, those groups tended to find friend groups as adults in the wider world—again, often through art. Teens who struggle socially REALLY have a hard time as teens more than they ever will later—not only because freshly post-pubertal emotional turbulence is unfamiliar and brutal, but also because most teens live in an agonizingly small world (few of them rlly have the chance to meet anyone not plugged in to their high school in some way) and, if there's no real pool of potential friends with common interests or values, then... that's that.
The zoomers in the trans movement don't seem to have any major creative outlets for the most part—shockingly, not even fashion statements. (i absolutely expected young trans people to produce, and become, an explosion of 'wearable art'—for instance, I was hoping TIFs might come up with some type of White western drag-king type answer to the Sapeurs of West Africa. But... nope. Nada. So far it's mostly just despair and self harm from TIFs, and yelling and screaming and emboldened stochastic terror and violence threats from TIMs. I fear for their souls, tbh.)
Sorry, had to laugh at GenX having beatniks. They’re from the 1950s, twenty years before the oldest of our cohort was born. We had grunge, hip hop indie Brit pop and hipsters.
Thank you for taking the time to correct me on that. (I looked up kerouac's DOB and well... jesus, he's too old to even be a Silent—he's a Greatest Gen.)
FWIW i'm gen z (i was born after 2000 baha... ssshh don't tell nobody, it'll just be Our Little Secret^™) and this is all pieced together retrospectively from personal accounts. That's my excuse.🤪
I also don't really live in an area with very many White people. Most counterculture stories i've been told of the '30's, '40's, and '50's are about Trench Pen, RasTafarianism, 'downpression', reggae and so on. Those experiences of Black people don't flow from anywhere even close to the same attitude evinced by White TIF culture today, though.
but, i'll edit the post.
Do you buy my central point, though, which is that the Beat generation drew on pretty much the same sullen, fuck-you-mainstream type of ethos that we're getting from trans teens nowadays? And that the hipster refrain of "don't ask, normie, you've never heard of it" is yet another avatar of the same thing?
ETA Dear downvoter: If you come back here, maybe drop a line? I actually relish constructive criticism (no, really). I hate downvotes for the same reason—they just leave me wondering w0t? Let it rip please.
Ha, thanks for correcting. There’s a lot of bleedover between generations and hipster older millennials is pretty much the same experience as hipster GenXers.
“ Do you buy my central point, though, which is that the Beat generation drew on pretty much the same sullen, fuck-you-mainstream type of ethos that we're getting from trans teens nowadays? And that the hipster refrain of "don't ask, normie, you've never heard of it" is yet another avatar of the same thing?”
Yes, I do buy it. I think it’s a symptom of youth before the prefrontal cortex is fully developed, and not a nice one. And if you’re so young then I definitely appreciate the fact that you’re trying to do the cultural research from generations before yours, even though I was a little shocked at the beatnik reference! 😂
It’s memes. The art is one line tweets, tik toks, and memes.
Not saying it’s good, but it’s something
Very true.
Meme-y TikToks are actually a lot like the very first "talkie" films from the dawn of the XX century: short, quirky, edgy, low-budget with found props, and, all too often, just straight-up cringe (Al Jolson in blackface, 'nuff said).
A lot of those filmmakers who were just fucking around back then went on to distinguished careers in visual and performing arts (including Jolson himself, who had a resurgence on Broadway in the '40's)... so... yeah, you never know.
I'm still hoping that some TIF sapeurs/sapeuses will pop out of the woodwork at some point—maybe even in zoot suits (which are easy to find in smaller mens sizes)—but I'm mostly resigned to "blagh not gna happen" by this point.
I once casually joked to a friend that “I was having a gender crisis lol” bc we were looking at a baby picture of mine. I had short hair and looked rather gnc. Cue immediate affirmations of still being loved no matter what I choose and being proud of me. It was so unnerving and love bomb-y. With a bit of social intelligence, it obviously just feels so red flag. I shut it down real quick with an “lol, no I’m a girl.”
lol I got similarly ambushed when I dated a lesbian in my early 20’s. I had only dated men, I didn’t “identify” as anything, I’m pretty private romantically, and so people just found out as they saw us or heard about it. Sooooo many people were all “omg are you a lesbian?! omg I knew you weren’t straight!?! so you’re bi?” People that had stuck their noses up at me as just another feminine white girl were suddenly my friend, especially given that she’s Black and Puerto-Rican it was like extra cool points and I was suddenly worth speaking to. I HATED IT. I would just be like “I’m….dating [her name] and I’m chillin”. One person didn’t appreciate this though and gossiped about me just being too scared to seem gay or bi…it was so annoying because I was like did I not just show up here together, in public, showing PDA?
I tried to have sympathy for them and think about how it easily would seem that way…but then I was like wait aren’t you also always preaching about not “outing” someone who hasn’t outed themselves? But I guess if it’s a formerly straight, “cis”, white girl it’s fair game. —.—
What I don't get about this youngest generation, is that they seem to think we won "women's rights" generations ago and that fight is now over. Don't they read the news? Things are going backwards all over the US. If you're looking to have an identity that you can do activism around, you already have one!
Maybe the problem is a lot of women are liberals who spend time in these oppression olympics spaces where trans people are telling them to "shut up and check their privilege" or some bs, and now they believe it?
No, that’s not it, at least not most of it. The bigger part is that misogyny is socialised into all of society. Women too. Gynophobia is the oldest prejudice in the world, it is so so so deeply ingrained. No one wants to fight for women’s liberation because then they’d have to face how unbearably impossible that is, and how deeply personal that reality will be to every single waking second of their lives. How does anyone face that reality? So they opt out of it. ‘Redefine’ to ‘reframe’, rather than face the terror of being honest. And that terror works to reinforce how grossly unattractive anything to do with how women are disadvantaged is. It’s like a self fulfilling cycle. So it keeps younger generations of women always stepping away from facing the reality they are living in, from facing the oppression they are experiencing. It’s all so unbearably gross and unattractive to face the terror that this is their reality, along with facing the fact that generation after generation of women have been living this and fighting this, and still here we are centuries later and still the reality we are drowning in is that women are victims of patriarchal dominance, as in real victims.
It’s so much more attractive to choose to hide from that and opt for a ‘cause’ that appears possible, that success is within reach. Rather than a ‘cause’ that really isn’t winnable (the liberation part). Facing up to that ‘cause’ being our day in and day out existence for every breath we take, not through any choice, but because this is the reality we are born into, is overwhelming unbearable.
Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying, I find myself having to turn away from the news all the time. What I'm talking about though is why other oppressed groups have a certain kind of sex appeal to these gen z activists, and some don't. The woke have made an oppression hierarchy with black TIMs at the peak and anyone with any "privilege" relative to them is the oppressor and needs to shut up and bend to their will at all times. Maybe because "trans" is just the latest cause, the others have been around for decades or centuries so they're not as cool anymore?
Idk, I think some of these people are taking advantage of the fact that a lot of bleeding heart liberal white women care about these issues, so they're easy to manipulate. Wish they would spend 1/10th of that energy fighting for their own female rights.
What I'm talking about though is why other oppressed groups have a certain kind of sex appeal to these gen z activists
Every other oppressed group includes men, and that can activate men's empathy and/or indignation. Men, even leftist men, will never believe women are actually subjugated. Think of how little education/valor is given to suffragette history vs civil rights.
That’s what I meant though, any group will have more sex appeal to gen z activists because it’s about getting away from facing being female. It’s running from how ugly women’s rights are because of how impossible it feels. The sparkly quick fix of campaigning for a cause they think can be won, wins out because it’s the direct opposite of women’s rights.
This part "..makes you an authority figure on a topic with no effort" really got to me. These girls had no self esteem and then they suddenly had people bowing and scraping to them and hanging on their every word. To give that up when they detransition must be soul crushing. They go from being exulted to being treated like shit overnight. We need to build a strong, positive group for girls like these to escape to where their bravery and uniqueness as ordinary girls can be celebrated.
They go from being exulted to being treated like shit overnight.
Yup, practically every single person who has detransitioned says this: https://uploads.ovarit.com/6ecdb6d2-517b-5f27-a747-349fd8886b76.jpg
Women have still not reached equality but we’re at a place where women can’t see the oppression of their class? MRAs must be pink with glee. If only straight white men had similar insecurities - instead a good number of them are whining about how they’re underprivileged and being bullied.
Society really does a good job on women to hand out slaps in the face and then make us feel concerned that the person who hit us might have hurt his hand.
Boring basic white girls get raped, assaulted, harassed, and murdered regularly. She'll feel the oppression soon enough. The only difference now is that nobody will care when it happens.
How boring for her.
I’m not sure who “Maggie” is but I don’t like her manner - stating that it’s dull to be straight and oppression means “everyone” supports you… wish I had these problems(!)
Maybe this is just me as someone who used to ID as trans, having known I was a lesbian from 6 years old, but I find the way that straight women who ID as trans talk to be quite off putting.
Same. I had to roll my eyes at that.
I'm sorry but that's not what it's like to be oppressed at all. No one listens to me, not even on here. And no.one cares about my pain or my hardships.
I never had a real friend either. But I never used it as an excuse to fuck up everyone else's lives and communities or wear someone else's oppression like a costume.
They have made gay/black oppression into some kind fantasy where they can escape being straight and white, and they are fucking up everyone else's rights while being too navel gazey and self absorbed to care.
I don't care about Rachel Dolezas' bullshit reason for cosplaying me and I don't care about theirs.
Of course, this website is mostly straight white women so they will all empathize with being told they're privileged and having their problems dismissed, rather than holding any of these selfish immature women accountable.
Sad. And yet Helena still takes every opportunity she can to disparage radical feminists. I really wish people like this would take more time to learn about things before spouting off.
I really appreciate when young detransitioners share their stories/experiences in the young trans community. I'm not like... an ancient human by any stretch but I am definitely a few paces removed from this youth subculture of oppression olympics. Without their stories, I just wouldn't have any pulse about what the vibe is in young trans communities.
I don't even have the creativity to imagine this as something that would motivate young people to transition. I mean... at my high school, I can only think of two, maybe three people who were out as gay or lesbian. It would not have bought you ANY social capital to come out. You'd have likely become a target for harassment.
I think this generational gap is also why people over, say, age 30 tend to say stuff like, "well, nobody would go through all those medical treatments if they weren't really sure/didn't really need to." We don't have any pulse on the cultural context that these kids are acting within because it is so different than what we all grew up with.
Interesting. Straight women who transition from heterosexual privilege into gay oppression are very different from lesbians who try to run away from homophobia. When het people trans themselves, they do it for clout and because they're afraid of being boring and basic. When gay people trans themselves, they do it because they're the target of extreme hatred and derision. When het people trans themselves, they do it to be quirky and enjoy the social attention they receive. When homosexual people trans themselves they do it to become normal and invisible.🤨
When het people trans themselves, they do it for clout and because they're afraid of being boring and basic.
When het people trans themselves, they do it to be quirky and enjoy the social attention they receive.
Maybe that is true is some cases, but there are other, grimmer reasons too. I have read about rape victims and women with eating disorders and young girls who faced extreme bullying and abuse transitioning in an attempt to protect themselves and try to deal with their trauma. They saw transitioning as an escape from misogyny. Even if some women are more privileged than others, they are still women and still have to face such a harsh, patriarchal world.
It is hard to make generalisations but the one common factor I have noticed after listening to several detrans women is that these women have been deeply hurt and were desperately looking for ways to receive support.
Edit: spelling
These people need help. There is something within them that desperately craved that attention and validation and ONLY sees being female as "oppression". Very dysfunctional world view and self-perception. I think some of this is the normalized racism against White people as well.
Many detrans kids are making it a new identity just like they did with being trans. They're still sitting in an online echo chamber and they're not getting help. Now they're "oppressed" for being detrans. Now they're "experts" on detrans. "We need to listen to them" and not question them.
The op in the image still hates being a woman. It's not a "cool" thing to be and it makes her sad. I'm sure being white is plaguing her every moment as well.
The whole thing is irrational. These people should have been to go to therapy and deal with their issues from the every start.
It's all about accumulating oppression points. That's why TRAs have told me that as a black female I should 'lift up black trans women' because they are the most vulnerable group of people and they need the most protection. Like I have my own problems, I'm not coddling some mentally ill male because he's perceived as higher up in the 'speshul oppressed group' totem pole. No male is ever more vulnerable than any woman. EVER.
No male is ever more vulnerable than any woman. EVER.
So millionaire women are more vulnerable than homeless men? Okay then.
I would say money is the trump card. Anyone without money is almost universally more vulnerable than those with regardless of other demographics.
Links:
Helena's twitter thread was much longer and definitely worth reading (unfortunately couldn't fit it all into the image): https://twitter.com/lacroicsz/status/1401319464357052420?s=20&t=J8Sxlx0lFbDKgGBDKRMF2Q
https://twitter.com/oatsandmag/status/1293315335995744264?s=20&t=Fj213qi7IlovsfkepmQYPQ
The solution to this is to have hobbies. I'm not kidding.
I love travelling and speak 4 languages. It makes me feel special and cool. It gives me something to talk about that doesn't revolve around MUH IDENTITY. There's nothing wrong with connecting with your identity - but it shouldn't be your ONLY interest.
These people have no hobbies, or talents, or interests, that are apart from their identity. Literally anyone who wants to do what I do can go ahead - whether you're a lesbian, or black, or GNC. It requires not thinking about yourself and disconnecting from what you are for a while. It helps me be less self-absorbed and sad.
Edit also as a poster said, FRIENDS. All kinds of friends. Men, women, people in their 60s, 20 year olds (not younger though lol), from different countries, different backgrounds, different ethnicities. You'll develop a lot of empathy and learn a lot about yourself. I'll be friends with anyone, no matter how awkward or different.