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What's your favorite TV show ever?
Posted July 4, 2022 by Ghostofbelaabzug in Television

I'd like a more active TV circle, lol, so I hope this gets a discussion going.

Mine is probably Arrested Development. I love how many jokes pay off on rewatch. So many of the jokes that come in the later seasons are made better by being able to rewatch the earlier seasons and see how carefully the show runners laid out the groundwork for the punchline. It's also a show that does well on a rewatch because they had such a good grasp on the characters and the tone of the show from the beginning that there's no "settling in" period where they have to establish everything for the viewers. The first season is often the weakest for a lot of shows because so much time is spent establishing the environment and the "vibe" that it's not worth a rewatch, but not Arrested Development. They hit the ground running and never stopped.

I know people are torn on the fourth the and fifth seasons, but I actually really liked the fifth season. It leaned into the sourness and negativity that always underlined the show in a way I think really worked.

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SaintHedwigJuly 17, 2022

I tried to read a Court of Thorns and Roses and couldn't do it. It's ostensibly a Beauty and the Beast retelling, only the "beast" is a sexy man with his face covered by a thin slip of a man. ("Oh no! However will we be able to tell that he's sexy???") Also he's got big Christian Grey/Edward Cullen dick energy.

The main character is written pretty shallowly/inconsistently, slaving away to her two abusive stepsisters whom she hates, but after she's kidnapped, she spends the next how-many-ever chapters pining after them.

YYMV, but it was a DNF for me and I'd personally recommend something by Naomi Novik or Holly Black instead.

ArmyofMeJuly 19, 2022

If it makes you feel better he becomes the villain book 2 on

blahblahgcerJuly 17, 2022

That sounds like something I would hate lol. Thank you

HildegardVonBeesJuly 17, 2022

The ACOTAR series has gratuitous sex scenes that seem to go on forever. And then in the most recent book in the series, A Court of Silver Flames, Maas inexplicably veers off into hard core porn. I couldn't finish the book. It was too much.

Instead, I would recommend her Throne of Glass series. It's a take-off on the Cinderella story, and has a lot of powerful female characters (some quite evil). (I've never read Anne Bishop, so I can't comment on the other commenter's critique. I'll have to check out Bishop.)

Her Crescent City series was just too violent. I couldn't handle it.

In addition to Naomi Novik, I would also recommend Marissa Meyer, Robin LaFevers, and Katherine Arden.

QueenofdogsJuly 17, 2022

I really like ToG but suddenly in book 5 I just couldn't read it anymore. I think I hate Rowan. He's so abusive in book 3 and then they do a 180 on his personality. I liked Chaol :(

blahblahgcerJuly 17, 2022

Thank you for the recs. I guess I just assumed they were YA... Sounds like they aren't lol

[Deleted]July 17, 2022

Do NOT start me on that woman. She blatantly rips off Anne Bishop, who is an absolutely amazing author. Maas even stole an entire RACE from Bishop's black jewels series and inserted bastardized and practically racist version of them into her stories.

Also, her throne of glass series is basically a Mary Sue self-insert rewrite of Bishop's character Surreal from the same series.

Do yourself a favor and check out Anne Bishop, she doesn't get enough love and her books are all amazing: https://www.annebishop.com/ss.price.html

blahblahgcerJuly 17, 2022

Oh wow, I hadn't heard any of that about her (although I feel like I've vaguely heard some bad things about her but I couldn't recall what). Thank you for the rec, I'll check her out

IridescenceJuly 17, 2022

ehh not a fan personally. too much gratuitous sex in ACOTAR for my liking, and although I know it's meant to be a fairytale retelling (Beauty and the Beast) they did the 'Twilight vampire' thing with the Beast, where now he's this sparkling golden man whom the protagonist instantly falls in love with. I thought the protagonist was a bit too far on the Mary Sue side.

I haven't read Throne of Glass but I hear it's more of a YA series with the usual pitfalls of the genre. I remember seeing people with the book like 10 years ago when I was in middle school so that's sort of disincentivised me from reading it haha

blahblahgcerJuly 17, 2022

I think I remember people reading that near the end of the dystopia craze now that I think about it.

ArmyofMeJuly 17, 2022(Edited July 17, 2022)

Ehhhh, unpopular opinion here I guess but I’m on the second book of ACOTAR right now and I can’t put it down. I guess there are more sex scenes as the series progresses but out of a 600 page book it’s like 5 scenes. And there is a focus on female pleasure and consent.

firebirdJuly 17, 2022

Out of the Sarah J. Maas books I would recommend Throne of Glass over A Court of Thorns and Roses (although I've finished neither of the two series).

If you're looking for an enjoyable YA fantasy read though I would instead recommend to skip Maas altogether and go read the Grishaverse books by Leigh Bardugo or Vespertine by Margaret Rogerson instead.

maypearlJuly 17, 2022

Grisha kind of has a Mary-Sue problem, and the two options as love interests are basically fantasy Hitler (bad boy) and a childhood friend (good boy) who has a side hustle negging the main character once she gets the super special power no other character has.

MikkalJuly 17, 2022

I highly recommend Eye of Night by Pauline Alama. It's out of print but you can get it on Kindle now. It does start with a male character, a priest who has lost his faith, who meets a woman and follows her on her quest. She's written as ugly, unwanted, nothing special: except that she's determined and doesn't give up. It draws on Medieval traditions.

I've honestly never read anything quite like it.

Contrast with the rather excellent series that starts with Rhapsody: Child of Blood - the woman in it is one of the most powerful people in the world, and one of the most beautiful as well (but doesn't know it) and everyone is in love with her (but she doesn't realize it) etc - the story itself very creative and the fantasy elements are outstanding, but the main character is basically perfect. The story is huge and epic, and I'm surprised it's not mentioned more. It's still worth a read even with the caveat of the "naive but perfect" protagonist; the fantasy aspects felt really original and I feel it inspired a lot that came after it.

So I guess, having not read Sarah Mass's books... you can enjoy works while acknowledging the flaws.

In fact - forgive yourself for enjoying something even if you notice it's flaws. Our world is flawed.

IronicWolfJuly 17, 2022

I’ve read the Throne of Glass series. It’s okay. It’s starts with the nonsense that a teenage girl who’s been held as a slave in a salt mine is physically strong enough to beat up men men trained in combat (it takes a couple of books before a plausible explanation for this emerges). She’s ‘strong’ in a very male, stereotypical way - by physical strength, fighting, and not dressing like a woman but also being very beautiful and desirable. In other words, quite typical YA garbage.

There are some great scenes about a witch and her wyvern which could easily have been a better focus for the book.

So it’s worth reading and it’s fairly enjoyable, just frustrating in parts.

QueenofdogsJuly 17, 2022

I liked ACOTAR, but mainly the second and third book because the love interest in book 1 sucks. There is a lot of gratuitous sex as others have said. I really loved Throne of Glass when I was younger but stopped at book 5 because her fae fetish was getting too obvious.

A really good fantasy I was lately was The Bone Shard Daughter by Andrea Stewart. Really nice world and characters