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It could be that stand up is just not my thing but most of these worshiped male comedians I just never found funny, even before I got into feminism. Before I even knew who Bill Burr was I watched his show called "f is for family" and I thought it was pretty mediocre. Then I tried watching his stand up and he's honestly pretty scary how much he hates women. Couldn't sit through it.

Then when my family was into Louis CK I saw some of that too and also wasn't very impressed. He's praised for his "girl voice" which I find to be pretty cringy and if a woman got up on stage doing a male voice everyone would call that cringey. Then tonight I tried watching stand up with a guy named Andrew Schultz and the only funny thing he's ever said was when he genuinely said "it's a lady penis though" on some podcast where a bunch of dudes, including a Tim got together to talk about if it was gay to get with another man and play with his penis. The utter stupidity of that statement combined with the genuine conviction he said it with was quite funny.

Of course there are some men that I found very funny but all in all I'm really not that impressed.

I really do think being male makes people think a comedian is funnier than he is and being female makes people think she's less funny than she is. I look at some of these comedians like Kevin Hart who are just abysmal and even a lot of men criticize them yet they're still famous and doing things that women would not get away with. They can say whatever they want.women are not allowed to criticize men in their comedy or else they will face male wrath.

It could be that stand up is just not my thing but most of these worshiped male comedians I just never found funny, even before I got into feminism. Before I even knew who Bill Burr was I watched his show called "f is for family" and I thought it was pretty mediocre. Then I tried watching his stand up and he's honestly pretty scary how much he hates women. Couldn't sit through it. Then when my family was into Louis CK I saw some of that too and also wasn't very impressed. He's praised for his "girl voice" which I find to be pretty cringy and if a woman got up on stage doing a male voice everyone would call that cringey. Then tonight I tried watching stand up with a guy named Andrew Schultz and the only funny thing he's ever said was when he genuinely said "it's a lady penis though" on some podcast where a bunch of dudes, including a Tim got together to talk about if it was gay to get with another man and play with his penis. The utter stupidity of that statement combined with the genuine conviction he said it with was quite funny. Of course there are some men that I found very funny but all in all I'm really not that impressed. I really do think being male makes people think a comedian is funnier than he is and being female makes people think she's less funny than she is. I look at some of these comedians like Kevin Hart who are just abysmal and even a lot of men criticize them yet they're still famous and doing things that women would not get away with. They can say whatever they want.women are not allowed to criticize men in their comedy or else they will face male wrath.

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I saw a David Chapelle special on netflix. I was shocked at how violently misogynistic some of his material is. (Targeting white women, so I guess that makes it ok). "White women are evil" is a really troubling trend.

I'm not white and some of the "white women" vitriol and comments somehow become acceptable because they added "white" like come on. We know you're talking about women as a whole but somehow adding white stops you from being a misogynist? its BS

It’s not like these guys don’t also hate black women. A lot of them will also mock them as well (perhaps not Chapelle).

They're just scared of getting their asses kicked for saying shit against black men. White women aren't going to do anything and no one's going to stand up for them. I've heard comedians straight up say they won't say certain jokes about black men for fear of being attacked after. No fear of backlash for degrading white women.

Yep. I never jumped on the frankly pathetic Chapelle bandwagon when it was passing through here. Fuck men and comedians especially. They are all the same.

Oh that's too bad I haven't heard of that. I thought Dave Chappelle wasn't that bad although I do remember this absolutely god-awful sketch he did called Trading Spouses that featured a black man treating a white woman like complete shit and she just took it and walked away every time. But I thought that was the only time he ever did anything like that. Personally I tried to get into the Chappelle show after the Rick James sketch only to find out that most of the sketches were garbage.

I recently watched some special with Bill Burr and Michelle Wolfe. It was 30 minutes of bashing white women. No jokes, just ranting about white women. The crowd wasn't even laughing that much, it was extremely uncomfortable and cringe. I guess they kind of forgot those liberal white women they hate so much made up half their fucking audience.

I'm glad someone else has noticed this. There's footage of him going off on a 50-year-old video of Yoko Ono, and I found it genuinely scary how much he hates this woman he's never met. His whole thing seems to be that she should shut up because everybody hates her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7-WHB8CBY&ab_channel=SeeveSc

It made me use "Yoko Ono, feelings about" as a vetting question for men I date. Sure her music isn't that good and I can see the idea that her art is pretentious, but the way people hate on her is hugely disproportionate, she is one of the most hated people in popular culture. John Lennon was just as pretentious and an admitted wife-beater, but it's his WIFE everyone wants to hate on. Imo it's people thinking "Who does this Asian woman think she is to posit herself as an equal to a great white man? Why isn't she invisible and silent in the same way as the other Beatles' wives?"

This white woman hate train is getting seriously disturbing and having real world consequences. The amount of white man I know in my life who think it's perfectly acceptable to treat white women like shit because "we're the most privileged group of people" or whatever is genuinely sickening. Some men of color do it too but I always say nobody hates white women more than white men.

Bill Burr uses the fact that he's married to a black woman as one hell of a shield.

"I have a black friend" on steroids.

Sort of, but I haven't seen him be dumb enough to try to use that for race, only as his excuse to be extra misogynistic as long as he throws in a 'white' in front of women now and then. He knows what he can get away with and what he can't, and he invokes his wife when his misogyny gets a little too naked, like if she endorses it that makes it fine.

Bill Burr had one special where he went on a raging rant about his ex and no one was laughing. If he was telling the truth, which he wasn’t because he is male, the relationship sounded abusive. A woman in that situation would seek therapy instead of trying to make money off of the situation, but again, man. It was super awkward on a taped special and I got the sense he might be physically violent toward women behind closed doors.

There's no way he hasn't been violent towards at least one woman in his life.

[–] rabunzel 10 points Edited

I totally agree, with the exception of Bo Burnham. Despite his edgy shock-value material from his teenaged years, it's very clear he legitimately respects women. In his latest special, "Inside", he has a song, White Woman's Instagram, which condemns the ire society inexplicably holds for women simply liking things through subversion of the expectation of him participating in said ire for cheap comedy.

Outside of his comedy work, his film "Eighth Grade" and his part in "Promising Young Women" really sealed it for me.

Edit: Extremely relevant skit

[–] legopants 11 points Edited

My favorite line from him is "you might think your dick is a gift, I promise it's not" and hearing all and only the women in the audience cheer

Although promising young woman ended with her being killed by her rapist, so that movie is nothing

I'm normally with you on that principle, but this film--written, directed, and produced by women--has something real to say, and it's not going to soften the blow with ra-ra pandering girlpower bullshit. It may be a black comedy, but it's also the most effective tragedy I've ever seen.

Well, the protagonist was killed by her best friend's rapist. Bo's part in the movie speaks to how he seems like "one of the good ones" but in the end, he was present during the sexual assault and rape and he could have done something but he didn't.

Sometimes I'll be on a roll with them, I'll like what they're saying I'll laugh a little, and then they'll say something misogynistic or racist that feels too real to make fun of and it just shatters the moment, ruins the whole thing. I like when things stay kind of absurdist. Can't remember who the comedian is but there was one guy who is a dad talking about how his daughter snuck a pacifier into daycare (where they weren't allowed) and he compared it to an elaborate drug trafficking scheme, it was really funny. But it's funny because it's not about things that actually hurt people you know?

Sorry for hijacking the thread but does anyone have suggestions for good female comedians who aren't libfem pickmes in their jokes? I generally find women funnier but I stopped watching female comedians because so many would start to do self-deprecating sexist humor as well

Not sure if it counts, but the show Marvelous Mrs. Maisel as a whole. It's about a female comedian in the 50s/60s who starts out as a pickme, but finds out the hard way why that's a crock of shit. Her growth journey is fantastic. The show is a feminist masterpiece in my opinion.

I've been watching a handful of Sarah Millican clips on YouTube lately and find her hilarious

Taylor Tomlinson has some libfem segments, but they’re not that long and you can skip them. I think she’s hilarious.

I am a big fan of Sarah Millican. A lot of female comedians I used to like went very libfem (I will forever mourn Aisling Bea), but last time I watched her she hadn’t.

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Standup has gotten worse in the past 10 years, imo. It's basically become people doing rants and the audience cheering them because they want to be seen to have RightThink.

I've ceased to find 90% of male standup funny, because it's the very practice of watching priviledged men hold forth on their tame views, while thousands of people look up to them and worship them. I mean, it's the same crap that goes on in religion. "Tell us what to think, wise male, and we will give you disproportionate respect and adulation!"

I do like a lot of comedy by men, but it's almost exclusively sitcoms. Father Ted, Peep Show, King of the Hill, etc. And many sitcom greats that I used to love have left me cold in recent years because I've grown tired of "30-year-old white men from Oxbridge are clever and get applauded." Anything with an all-male cast is a Nah from me.

I never met a man who i thought was funnier than myself. Even if some male comedians do land jokes, sometimes, they will soon go back to old territory and give the "women dumb, make-up, cannot drive and nagging me heheh" speeches. Yes speeches; I refuse to call these stories "jokes".

But you are very right, male and female comedians are treated and judged very differently. Patriarchy allowed men to make misogyny to their religion and to their entertainment simultaneously. Female comedians who refuse to preach misogyny are quickly pushed into the "nagging feminist" category - thus not funny... And female comedians who do preach misogyny are just seen as rip-offs from male comedians - thus fake and not funny either.

Males and honestly a lot of comedians just use their shows as TED talks. Women have insightful things to say and since they rarely get to speak uninterrupted, it’s at least interesting if a bit annoying when they do it. Men ranting is something I should get paid to listen to. I have to do it enough for free in situations I can’t escape anyway.

[–] sarstan 4 points Edited

I still find John Mulaney hilarious. But, was watching Mike Birbiglia and it was fine until he tells a story about hiring a prostitute in Amsterdam and how ugly and old she was, and how he still got a hand job or something, but she was so gross it was hard. I had to turn it off and I tweeted a comment on his page saying that mocking prostitutes is the lowest of the low and she probably wasn't that thrilled about having to give him a hand job.

I don't find Ricky Gervais' new special funny. He just talks about his penis and that general area the whole time, which I don't find funny or clever. And Dave chapelle is crude and vulgar and i just dont' find that funny.

I liked John Mulaney until he cheated on his wife who was there with him before the money and accolades. After centering entire sets on Anna and how they didn’t want kids, he goes and fathers a child with another woman??

Anyway his whole I’m a silly harmless guy schtick is gone for me. I see now he’s just another man who betrayed the woman who loved and supported him.

I don't have any insight into their relationship or what happened, other than he was on drugs and blew everything up, and it doesn't bother me the way Birbiglia's joke does at all, so I am still able to laugh at his comedy.

Oh yeah that's another common male comedy trope- cheap, gross sexual experiences with women, especially prostitutes. I've seen women do comedy like this on a much lesser level (because women are very rarely as gross as men) and they get absolutely ripped to shreds.

Any time I've ever seen clips of Bill Burr or parts of his specials, it's always been a lot of really nasty comments on women that aren't even funny, just crude and actually hateful. I have been surprised for a while that it almost never seems to come up when people talk about him. I'm glad you mentioned it.

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