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I get that the "point" is these fucked up teenagers who are obsessed with drugs and sex and trans characters but now every single teen show is following suit and its really disturbing.

This weekend I watched Do Revenge on Netflix as well as Heartbreak High... Both shows featured heavy drug use and not just weed but KETAMINE... super casually.

Not only were the teens were sex and porn obsessed, they also were super QWEER in heartbreak high and idk. I'm noticing a sick pattern.

I get that the "point" is these fucked up teenagers who are obsessed with drugs and sex and trans characters but now every single teen show is following suit and its really disturbing. This weekend I watched Do Revenge on Netflix as well as Heartbreak High... Both shows featured heavy drug use and not just weed but KETAMINE... super casually. Not only were the teens were sex and porn obsessed, they also were super QWEER in heartbreak high and idk. I'm noticing a sick pattern.

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I don't understand the appeal of those shows - but I had a sane childhood and teenage years with accepting parents that loved me.

I mean, shit. My parents told me I could drink, smoke pot or have sex as long as I did so SAFELY! (If I drank, do it at our house or a friend's, never drive, can always call for a ride if I need, if I did smoke pot please do it at home just in case, if I wanted to have sex let them know so I could get on birth control and have condoms etc.)

Hilariously that took the rebellion out of everything and I never had any issues. Didn't have sex until college because without the rebellion I saw that all the boys I went to school with were incels and idiots and not worth risking pregnancy. 🤣

1 Mom award for my mom for sure!

Lol hard same. I was such a square though that I never got up to that. I knew a few kids who were stoners and I'm sure there was some drinking and sex, but I went to a pretty rigorous high school, in the AP track, so pretty much all the people I was surrounded by were about academic achievement. Some were definitely more popular than others, but ultimately, we focused on our GPAs.

[–] chai_tea 36 points Edited

One show I liked as a teen was Gilmore Girls

It's a somewhat realistics representation of life as a teen, going to school, doing homework, reading, hanging out with friends and family...

I could never related to "debauchery" type shows like euphoria (or skins/kids back in the day). I didn't have time or money to party every weekend.

Oof, I remember seeing Kids (1995) way back when and thinking authorities needed to check Larry Clark’s house, because there was no way he wasn’t a pedo… the praise he got from the likes of Scorsese and Roger Ebert made me want to puke…

Same. I remember seeing ads for Skins and feeling sick to my stomach at what the kids were doing.

I always liked Derry Girls for that, too--those are characters I can see myself and my friends in at that age.

[–] Killer_Danish 27 points Edited

BDSM/kink/drugs used to mostly be the domain of gay men and adult weekend warriors, but the media in recent decades has helped market it to children as a “fun and progressive form of sexuality.” Kids are encouraged to partake in high-risk activities: Drag sex shows for kids, magazines like Teen Vogue telling little girls to do anal, teen celebrities flaunting their drug use, and now shows like Euphoria, with big stars like Zendaya, modelling this bad behaviour for kids (“Everybody is doing it — why aren’t you?!”)

The pedo-left has made me far more conservative than I have ever been at any point in my life!

The pedo-left has made me far more conservative than I have ever been at any point in my life!

Yup, same here. Just changed my voter registration because it truly feels like the left has lost its mind. I'd rather be around conservatives than leftists at this point in my life.

I would never vote Republican I just straight up changed to unaffiliated. I'm going to look at candidates more closely without looking at Rep/Dem shit anymore and just their policies.

[–] dontdoxxmepal 18 points Edited

I think this has been around for a while - at least the drugs/partying stuff, definitely not started by Euphoria.

Skins had mad amounts of drugs, teen sex, real teenage actresses being in sexual scenes (Effy oral sex innuendo scene in season 1 or 2 of Skins when the actress was 14 IRL?). Also Gossip Girl in 2006 had an attempted rape scene on an actress who was 13/14 playing age 13/14 in the first episode. Plus movies like Kidulthood which is bad enough to give you PTSD - teenage rape, prostitution, graphic oral sex scenes, drugs, gang violence.

This stuff has always been around, just not had the kweer bend it does now.

I was going to bring up Skins. I remember there was a bit of backlash about it when it came out. I think the problem is that there's less and less backlash about Euphoria. Are they hiding behind "queer" to escape criticism?

It's incredibly creepy how Drake is one of Euphoria's executive producers.

Ugh. I never liked teen shows because, even in the 90s, they portrayed ALL teens as sex obsessed dipshits who only cared about getting laid, getting high, or getting popular enough to score more lays and more drugs. The only "teen shows" that had a variety of characters into different things were the ones aimed at children like Saved By The Bell or Spiderman or As Told By Ginger.

I miss As Told By Ginger...

LOL that cartoon made me deathly afraid of triangle bikini tops... XD I kept thinking some idiot would come up behind me and untie my top like it happened to Courtney Gripling in that one episode of As Told By Ginger (season 1, episode 9). Took me years to get over that irrational fear LOL.

I tried rewatching that cartoon more recently. And I was put off by all the outdated humor and blatant sexism and other fads that really 'date' this cartoon. But back then I liked it a lot.

Well... I don't know about the 90s... But later on we had teen shows like

Veronica Mars (2004), Kyle XY (2006), Suburgatory (2011), Make It Or Break It (2009), Nine Lives of Chloe King (2011), Switched At Birth (2011), All About Us (2001), The Inbetweeners UK version (2008), Smallville (2001),

And shows like

Reaper (2007), Being Erica (2009), Ugly Betty (2006), Dead Like Me (2003), Scrubs (2001), Melissa and Joey (2010), Portlandia (2011), Jane The Virgin (2014), Supernatural (2005), The Office UK version (2001), The Office US version (2005), Younger (2015), Hollyoaks, House of Cards (2013), Dexter (2006), Helix (2014), 8 Tage (2019), Colony (2016), Counterpart (2017), Covert Affairs (2010), Crisis (2014), 24 (2001), The Last Ship (2014),

which were more aimed at adults but can also be enjoyed by teens and the fun thing is you can still watch them as an adult and enjoy it. You could easily watch them with your family. (Maybe some episodes are inappropriate for small kids. But teens can watch these just fine.)

We have to create Aldous Huxley's Brave New World somehow.

I watched Euphoria, I've watched Degrassi, I was a teen at one point. I don't understand why adults create this romanticized version of kids with adult problems. I would like there to be some wit there but mostly it's likely pedophilia.

Its definitely pedophilia. There's no reason Euphoria can't be about young college kids instead of teenagers. But the people making it get off on filming nude/sex scenes of characters who are meant to be underage (even if the actors are over 18)

[–] Taxidermy 11 points Edited

Wow, thank you for mentioning Brave New World because a family friend with a huge library recommended that book to me two nights ago and naturally I forgot the title as soon as I left. I didn't worry too much because I knew something would randomly remind me of it at some point, but I did not expect that reminder to end up being a direct reference here.

I usually will referenced Brave New World as pleasure, 1984 as Pain and The Machine Stops as something close to what we currently have

Brave New World is a great read.

Can we have an actual show based around teens who don't party and are socially awkward shut ins who struggle to make friends. Why does nobody make shows it would be relatable considering there are loads of kids just like that. That would be more realistic than a show like euphoria

There is a lot of anime about kids like that. Japan produces a wide range of animated shows for various audiences. Including teen audiences just like this. The genres I'm referring to are shounen and shoujou slice of life anime and fantasy anime. This is possibly why now with the internet making these shows more widely available, a lot of teens flock to anime. Because there's actual relatable content to be found there. (I'm talking about Teen rated anime: like Naruto, One Piece, My Hero Academia, A Silent Voice, Given, Haikyu, Free Iwatobi Swim Club, Classroom of the Elite, Charlotte, No.6, the Morose Mononokean, The Devil is a Part Timer, Chihayafuharu, Hikaru no Go)

I mean, it is fantasy ish, but I think stranger things actually does this really well. Teens just being teens, instead of all being drugs addicts. And monsters lmao

Have you seen the new season? They had to make one of the characters a stoner already. It really made me think that the normalization of drugs in these shows is leading to kids thinking it's no big deal. In fact a lot of these shows encourage underage drinking as a rite of passage as if everyone does it and you're a weird outcast if you don't. Meanwhile not that many high schoolers drink and do drugs like that.

Maybe we went to different schools, but most high schoolers did in fact drink and smoke weed in my experience.

I mean.. firstly he is an adult, not a high schooler, and making one of the characters smoke weed is not exactly unrepresentative of real life.

Can we have an actual show based around teens who don't party and are socially awkward shut ins who struggle to make friends. Why does nobody make shows it would be relatable considering there are loads of kids just like that

Ironically, the "teen" shows made for young kids are better about showing a variety of personalities and interests in the characters. Probably because they don't have the option of using constant sex/drugs as a crutch to hide shit writing

I was really into this type of stuff as a teen. I had zero media literacy and a very sheltered childhood and I was really drawn in by the romanticizing of drugs and promiscuity. (My favorite book as a young teen was Go Ask Alice, which is a fictional story presented as a real teen girl’s diary and is meant to be a cautionary tale but I loved it lmao.) As an adult, I do not want to see teenagers having sex and I wonder about the adults that do. Also when I turned 18, I fell pretty hard into that lifestyle so I know first hand not just how damaging it is but how pathetic it is.

Also when I turned 18, I fell pretty hard into that lifestyle so I know first hand not just how damaging it is but how pathetic it is.>

Me too. When I was 15 I started using class A drugs, stopped at 19 with an amphetamine addiction and liver damage. Don't smoke, drink or take anything now and it's been the same way for the last decade... I see drug use in shows as majorly embarrassing and cringe, can't believe that was once me.

Me too, 100%. I’m thankful I was able to turn my life around after a few years of absolute craziness when I first became an adult and left home.

Totally agree. I’m watching Tell Me Lies and although it follows college freshmen, the sex and casual drug use is over the top. Not quite euphoria but still. Most freshmen girls are not having sex like Samantha from sex and the city.

So disappointed with the new Heartbreak High. The characters are all self-focussed and irritating and don't seem to stand for anything bigger than themselves. And the substance use is immediately romanticised. It would have been such a great opportunity to portray a few characters who are sober. Alcohol use rates are actually reducing in Australia among teenagers.

The only good character is Woodsy!

The characters are all self-focussed and irritating and don't seem to stand for anything bigger than themselves

Very Gen Z tbh

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