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Did you know there's lots of people who work making things for children who hate children?

Back in 2015 or so I meet a bloke online who I later found out worked as an animator for children's shows... He has worked on both Littlest Pet Shop & Teen Titans Go!

This bloke absolutely HATED children! He often called children " human larvae " and was quite ageist and hateful towards the elderly too... A disgusting individual all around...

A very intelligent bloke as far as IQ goes ( he even created a Harry Potter App ) but completely lacking in EQ... He had zero consideration for other people's feelings and needs...

Selfish asshole who thought about himself above all else with little regard or consideration for other people's feelings...

I remember him finding " jokes " about death and suicide funny too and he had no problem making " jokes " at the possibility that some of the people he knew that were struggling mentally and emotionally and who he knew had suicidal thoughts may have died...

He thought the idea that these individuals ( including people that he was supposedly " friends " with ) may have suicided was funny in other words...

And he is not an isolated case it seems... Based on his comments he said he had a " mentor " who taught him animation...

His mentor also worked on the children's animation industry and also seems to have hated children and things children hold dear...

His mentor worked on the Care Bears cartoons and apparently he and the other animators of the Care Bears show LOVED drawing and animating the Care Bears in gory situations like drawing and sometimes animating them being decapitated and just suffering in general...

I was disgusted when I learned all of this! The Care Bears was one of my favorite animated shows when I was a kid!

To find out that such disgusting individuals who hate children and the things children love had worked on some of my favorite shows from childhood was heartbreaking and disgusting...

Filthy disgusting individuals all around... To know that people like them work on making things for children is disgusting...

I wish there was something that could be done about individuals like them working on the children's animation industry...

I know the bloke I meet wanted to work on adult animation but he was stuck with making cheap low quality animated shows for children...

If you have noticed weird things in media for children it may be because of people like the bloke I knew and his mentor working on the children's media industry...

Did you know there's lots of people who work making things for children who hate children? Back in 2015 or so I meet a bloke online who I later found out worked as an animator for children's shows... He has worked on both [Littlest Pet Shop](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/LittlestPetShop2012) & [Teen Titans Go! ](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo) This bloke absolutely HATED children! He often called children " human larvae " and was quite ageist and hateful towards the elderly too... A disgusting individual all around... A very intelligent bloke as far as IQ goes ( he even created a Harry Potter App ) but completely lacking in EQ... He had zero consideration for other people's feelings and needs... Selfish asshole who thought about himself above all else with little regard or consideration for other people's feelings... I remember him finding " jokes " about death and suicide funny too and he had no problem making " jokes " at the possibility that some of the people he knew that were struggling mentally and emotionally and who he knew had suicidal thoughts may have died... He thought the idea that these individuals ( including people that he was supposedly " friends " with ) may have suicided was funny in other words... And he is not an isolated case it seems... Based on his comments he said he had a " mentor " who taught him animation... His mentor also worked on the children's animation industry and also seems to have hated children and things children hold dear... His mentor worked on the [Care Bears](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Franchise/CareBears) cartoons and apparently he and the other animators of the Care Bears show LOVED drawing and animating the Care Bears in gory situations like drawing and sometimes animating them being decapitated and just suffering in general... I was disgusted when I learned all of this! The Care Bears was one of my favorite animated shows when I was a kid! To find out that such disgusting individuals who hate children and the things children love had worked on some of my favorite shows from childhood was heartbreaking and disgusting... Filthy disgusting individuals all around... To know that people like them work on making things for children is disgusting... I wish there was something that could be done about individuals like them working on the children's animation industry... I know the bloke I meet wanted to work on adult animation but he was stuck with making cheap low quality animated shows for children... If you have noticed weird things in media for children it may be because of people like the bloke I knew and his mentor working on the children's media industry...

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Oh there’s a fuckton of creeps working on children’s shows, I know this because I’m in art circles and it’s a well known most people working on cartoon shows for children tend to be the types who either hate children, use cartoons to draw out their fetishes (that one total dramarama episode), pedophiles, or generally fucked-in-the-head folks.

Currently I know one non-binary who worked on the MLP G5 movie who was outed, following zoophiles, drawing a nazi pony multiple times, and the man this person is dating turned out be a incest porn enthusiast. Of course this person never lost their job working for hasbro , because of course all of brony degenerates are the same and look out for their people. The only person was attacked was the minor who called them out and who was innocent in all of this. ☹️ Literal death and rape threats that they showed being made by the grown ass men.

The moment I found out, it killed my dreams of ever wanting to be in the animation industry even though it was my dream to produce a show that would represent gay teens. But I keep my characters and ideas to myself. Perhaps I’ll write a book instead.

I used to regret missing an opportunity I had to get into the animation industry back when I lived in LA. But now I see it as a blessing in disguise because so many people there are messed up and most of the shows are garbage

Yes, I'm child free and don't watch a lot of animated shows and I'm still well aware of this phenomenon. Pretty surprised so many commenters here seem to think OP's experience a one-off, or that this type of gruesomely sadistic animation doesn't tie directly back to whatever this guy's brand of disturbed kink is.

[–] SecondSkin 0 points Edited

I don’t think it’s a one off. I think it’s likely the same as every other area chock full of predators. I think her thought control and faux outrage over dark doodles-that the op has said nothing were sexualised- is worse. And at odds with GC push back at thought policing. And anecdote x2 isn’t data, doesn’t warrant absolute sweeping conclusions.

Why do you call it " faux outrage " ? Do you really think sexualized images are the only bad stuff people can draw?

I don't see how wanting to decapitate and kill a character in horribly gory graphic ways is any different from drawing gross pornographic pictures of them... Both of them are gross and wrong to do in the real world...

I don't see anything funny or amusing about graphic gore if anything it may mean the person who draws it may have empathy issues... Most of the people I see posting gore online ( including draw pictures ) were HIGHLY disturbed individuals! Sometimes worse than the people who post porn even!

Good for you if you never came across them but clearly there are other women here on Ovarit who has noticed the weird and creepy stuff going on in the art community like @UndergroundLesbian!

I don't see "thought control" in OP's post, nor the one I linked earlier. I see women being very concerned about male depravity in animation and no sweeping conclusions as to what must be done about it.... I simply am going to have to disagree that women's anger at men making disturbing content is "worse" than those men by any conceivable metric.

most people working on cartoon shows for children tend to be the types who either hate children, use cartoons to draw out their fetishes (that one total dramarama episode), pedophiles, or generally fucked-in-the-head folks.

Not hard to believe. Just look at Rebecca Sugar.

What about just having dreams of being an animator? Modern technology has totally decentralized the potential for media production. The guy who does Simon's Cat started out doing it all himself, and there were other animators doing their own projects going back to the early 2000s. I still have a few saved downloaded clips that you can't even find online at this point. Some of them are pretty funny.

Just saying, it might be worthwhile to teach yourself some of the software out there. You never know. And then you could upload it to YouTube.

[–] SecondSkin 14 points Edited

One guy you knew plus his mentor does not equal lots. Your train of thought doesn’t seem logical, a couple of guys is not conclusively lots.

There’s a peppa pig must die video on YouTube. It’s fucking hysterical. Mumsnet was crazy about it when it first came out, because kids cartoons are insanely irritating and dark humour much preferable to adults bored to death of them.

Dark parodies are adult humour, and plenty kids films or programs or pantos or songs have subtle adult humour placed in them to go over kids heads, but make a clever joke, play on words etc. Just because it’s not your taste doesn’t make it disgusting or filthy.

Have you every seen the Eldritch Garfield videos, like from Lumpy Touch? They’re great! Or Don’t Hug Me I’m Scared, which is in the style of Sesame Street but extremely disturbing? Also great.

BRB, gonna go check out those Peppa Pig videos.

[–] SecondSkin -2 points Edited

Never heard of them.*

I didn’t watch tv as a kid so I only know the kids programs my girls watched. And I didn’t like many. Peppa pig is so bloody obnoxious it was very funny when that video was everywhere.

Now my girls are bigger we watch owlkitty, so much better!

*do you have links?

Hopefully this works, I made a Don’t Hug Me playlist here.

Here’s the Garfield one, it’s in the style of a Gameboy game.

[–] Femina [OP] 1 points Edited

You think the Care Bears being killed, mutilated in horrible ways etc is cool?

It wasn't just the mentor who liked drawing and animating Care Bears gore, it was ALL the animation team for the show that did it apparently! They had fun with it!

Pretty much everyone I know who enjoyed drawing gore was disturbed in some way!

Maybe they want to work in graphic novels🤷🏼‍♀️

Most children’s entertainers want to be real actors, doesn’t mean they’ll seep resentment to children through tv screens🤷🏼‍♀️

Graphic novel wannabes doodling gore doesn’t mean they’ll cause the Care Bears to not Care as much🤷🏼‍♀️

Well I dunno about the mentor but the bloke I knew did wanna work on " visual novels " so to say so...

You think the Care Bears being killed, mutilated in horrible ways etc is cool? It wasn't just the mentor who liked drawing and animating Care Bears gore, it was ALL the animation team for the show that did it apparently! They had fun with it!

Unless this is being provided to kids, I fail to see the issue. It's cartoon fictional bears.

Even so the mere fact they are doing it shows these people have degenerate tendencies... Which is why I think they should stay away from kids and anything to do with kids like shows for them... They clearly don't even care about the demographics they are working with and children are a very easily influenced demographic...

[–] SecondSkin 3 points Edited

I don’t like anything to do with Care Bears or parodies of killing them.

I’m not a fan of many children’s programs.**

But your taste is not the be all and end all and it’s pretty typical for adults to like dark humour. There’s nothing rational about the line of argument in your op. The guy can be an utter creep who hates children but it doesn’t follow that proves lots of people working in children’s animation hate children. Personally I’d be more concerned with men with nefarious intentions, who want to sneak sexualised images into it, working in this field, or any field that holds influence over children. But plenty people out there hate children* and loath their jobs. This one guy you know being one doesn’t mean much of anything🤷🏼‍♀️ there’s plenty of mainstay teenage cartoons that are tilting over into darker adult humour. Simpsons style humour isn’t the end of the world, even if it’s not my taste.

*plenty women on Ovarit appear to loath children. I don’t get it but I don’t dictate they fall into line and worship my precious offspring.

**I adored yo gabba gabba. No need to add hidden adult humour when watching that on broken sleep as it’s super trippy.

Perhaps " lots " was an overstatement but it is still disgusting to me that people like that work on making stuff for kids... People who don't have children's best interests in mind should just stay away from making things for kids in my opinion... Kids deserve better than people who hate them working on things for them...

How about just seeing children as normal, if underdeveloped, people? That's, like, the normal baseline way to see people instead of either putting them up on a pedestal or setting them on fire.

That's why I don't like people who hate kids. I am not crazy about other people's kids, but I'm not crazy about irrational strangers, which description fits most kids from time to time. I don't hate them, though. Just don't ask me to babysit.

Sounds pretty funny to me. A lot funnier and less dangerous than righteous thought-policing zealotry.

[–] SecondSkin 7 points Edited

Yes this ^

I’m sure there’s a fucktone of creepers in this field. As there are in many. I get seriously raged about simpering breathy little girl voices in anime and the teeny tiny waists and teensy skirts. Or the never ending pathetic Disney princesses helplessly waiting for their prince to save them. And so on.

Care Bears sliding onto Fear Street is not nefarious intent. Imho.

I wouldn’t watch it but I don’t think it sounds like some evil master plan to end all rainbows and lovies.

I think I’d be more grossed out by pushing the let’s all Care narrative. At best it seems developmentally stunted, but given the rainbow brigading spidey senses are on hyper alert now. And it’s female socialisation on steroids. Girls do not need told to care any more than they already have bekind shoved down their throats.

And yes the thought policing is what’s irking me about this also. Anyone dictating their thoughts as absolutes sends red flags off imho.

This is a very disturbing article but here's some related information about other animators who are still working on children's shows.

https://medium.com/@brazyintheday/kids-tv-has-a-porn-problem-84592d9514fc

[–] MenHaveItEasy 5 points Edited

Thank you for the link. That was informative and disappointing. Cartoon Network has a vested interest in hiring the most fucked up men from Newgrounds.

Im glad the writer talked about Steven Universe. Fusion always made me uncomfortable because it was almost always used as an extensive metaphor for sexual relationships, but then the writers would deny it on Twitter while at the same time, use fusion to explain that one of the characters is asexual. When you have multiple episodes about how nonconsenting fusion is a metaphor for date rape, you dont get to turn around and write it off as a quick parental bonus joke.

And Rebecca Sugar's husband bragging about how the staff draws way nastier stuff than porn in fanart, is trashy and gross.

I have several close artist lesbian friends who pestered me until I watched some of that show with them, and sure the animations and backgrounds are nice, and it was very moving to see cute little cartoon lesbians get married on a kids' show, something I never ever thought I'd see in my lifetime!

But the weird dissonant stuff like how they handle the gems fusing into bigger stronger gems (cool idea for kids one would think...), that sequence of episodes you mentioned and how badly they handled the creepy car racer guy, makes me hesitate on showing the cartoon to my nieces even before I read that article. And as much as I try to blacklist the show on tumblr I've seen news that they've got some themlet character in later seasons 🙄

So sorry you're getting down voted. I agree with all of this, and have trouble understanding why Ovarit is being so nitpicky here.

On a brighter note, are there any good kids shows produced by women-only teams? And if not... (looks nervously around room) ...who here knows animation?

Hmmm. Maybe that explains Bronies et al. Like there is something subconsciously added about their drawings that normal people don't see, but weirdos do and it attracts them.

[–] Lilith 9 points Edited

The MLP Friendship is magic reboot was done by a brilliant creator named Lauren Faust, a woman and person who seemingly has high empathy for children in the ways that some of past beloved creators of children's shows had. It does a good job of imparting some key social lessons with its theme of friendship, and the plots are well thought out and interesting enough for the parents watching to not get too bored. Basically, it is a good kids show.

Bronyism was started on 4chan by a dude who was sticking up for the show by sharing an elaborate review of the plot and theme after someone else had mocked the show. The mostly college age 4channers started watching out of curiosity and turned it into a meme by obsessively spreading MLP images across the internet. Rule 34 took hold of this meme and then bronyism became synonymous with pervert. But it never gained an adult fanbase due to it being sexualized. It was sexualized because it gained an adult fanbase.

Wow! Thanks for all the research. I was just lazy-musing. Now I feel kind of bad for not doing any work.

Well if it makes you feel any better, most of what I wrote was from memory so I didn't need to do a lot of research just now. I did my research on it when brony culture was taking off, around 10 years ago, when it was much easier to find information about it.

Nah, I don't think it's that deep, the chiseled man ponies are pretty gay-coded. I don't think the original cartoon that I watched in the 80's had man ponies.

there was male ponies in the original they had flurry feet so shirehorses I still have the toys there was at least 2

Do you own a pet and take it to the vet regularly?

There's a reason the dark gallows humor is kept in the back away from the appointment area. Ask your technician about it the next time you're in. Which one of them has the tooth jar, which ones keeps the cool specimens in formalin jars at home, which ones prefer to participate in sample collection for rabies testing or assist with necropsies, which ones sing the Circle Of Life song with the sedated orange moggies, which ones have the "terms of endearment" names for various pets under their care...

Doesn't mean the staff isn't compassionate and caring toward their patients, even those that they might dislike (which is different from HATE, but I'm sure you'll know that difference). Doesn't mean the staff doesn't do everything in their power to use all their experience and seek to learn more in the field. Doesn't mean the staff needs to find new jobs, never handle another pet again in the clinic setting or never again own personal pets. It's how we cope in a fast-paced career that, more often than not, ultimately ends in burnout, compassion fatigue and high rates of depression. But to tell such stories to someone on the "outside", you'd think we hate our jobs, hate the animals and that our attitudes are reflected in our handling of everyday situations when nothing could be further from the truth.

Adults have weird coping mechanisms that include a lot of dark and/or immature humor.

I trust this person's character traits were probably less than ideal as a complement to yours given your account of the time you spent with him, but after years spent creating content for tiny humans at various stages of predictable psychological and social development, some folks tend to get a little extreme and that might fly among cohorts while appearing completely uncouth to everyone else. Particularly if, in your words, "he was stuck with making cheap low quality animated shows." That's probably slightly less soul-sucking than working in an IT call center and whatever helps those folk get through the day is what they have to do.

It sounds like you're happier without him, is all.

That online guy sounds like a supremely shitty edge lord but I must confess, I love dark humor. As a teen, I used to draw parody comics of popular cartoon and video game characters getting into very violent and adult situations (no porn or anything, but definitely smoking a joint lol). I also had another original character that was sweet and innocent but kept getting murdered by his evil twin (think like Mr Bill, but I had not seen it at the time). My friends and brother loved these.

I also think “larvae” is kind of funny, but I used to affectionately refer to my kids as “spawn”. I also told my spouse at the time that being pregnant felt like I had an alien inside me and it was a weird experience. We’d joke about the baby emerging like the Alien from Kane out of my chest. 🤷🏼‍♀️ People cope differently with things.

I agree with the other comments here. Dark humor definitely isn’t for everyone! I know who to do it in front of, and who wouldn’t appreciate it at all (like my mom). I promise I’m not a terrible person who actually finds joy in real suffering! 😅

One of my coworkers lovingly refers to her children as her "parasites." Considering that they sponged off her bodily resources for 9 months, she's not wrong. Have heard "spawn" come out of her mouth as well. She is an amazing mom and I'm lucky to have had a chance to work with both her AND her husband in two different employment situations.

I like the use of the word "larvae" though. In all of their helplessness and in spite of the growth that happens, it's not entire inaccurate. After all, anytime someone is new in my career, they're called a "baby tech" and for the really brand-new ones setting foot in a vocation for the first time, "still-wet infant." It's just a descriptor and not insulting at all. Everyone has to start somewhere :)

I find terminology like that dehumanizing plus he said these things in a hateful tone too... The woman he was dating alright stated that he hated kids and that it was unfortunate that he made stuff for them since he wanted to work on adult anime... He disliked the format of most Western cartoons in general and preferred animation in the format of Japanese anime...

Then it sounds like he has his opinions and life choices laid out for him, and as mentioned before, they were not complementary with your opinions and life choices. It was probably a good choice to not continue associating with him, but it's certainly no excuse to say that he is representative of the entire infant/children's media empire.

Such is the world we live in today. No one is perfect and the only thing that two people can agree on is that the third is wrong.

[–] SecondSkin 0 points Edited

Mine are bugs. Started as love bugs being an affectionate nickname. Became just bugs. Hardly dehumanising language like op claims.

I rather not call a child a word that refers to ugly and gross creatures like larvae, and like I said in another comment here he called children " larvae " in a hateful tone not in a playful tone the way some parents do and besides there is a VERY big difference in calling one's own kids these words and between calling other people's kids these words...

This bloke's own girlfriend said so that he hated children so it was not just my impression... If comparing adults to animals is dehumanizing then so is comparing children to animals dehumanizing too especially ugly gross animals that I want nowhere near me...

I would never want someone to call me a " larvae " or other gross creature when I was little... Gross... Children are people too! Is this something common among native English speakers?

His mentor worked on the Care Bears cartoons and apparently he and the other animators of the Care Bears show LOVED drawing and animating the Care Bears in gory situations like drawing and sometimes animating them being decapitated and just suffering in general...

I actually don't see anything wrong with this it just sounds like venting, the same way the tomb builders in Egypt drew satirical images of the kings on bits of stone after spending all day glorifying them on the walls of tombs and temples.

everyone vents at work in their own way, so this doesn't surprise me.

For me venting by drawing horrible graphic images of adorable cartoon bears being decapitated and killed in all sorts of horrible ways is as disturbing as drawing sexualized images of innocent cartoons... Pretty much everyone that I knew who liked drawing graphic gore had issues of some type...

One of the TIMs who liked drawing gore that I meet online told me he had violent thoughts... He also liked pornographic gore games called " guro " if I remember correctly...

People who don't see anything wrong with gore art probably never saw how disturbing and graphic they can get...

I loved the care bears as a kid so I decided to check out the new series for nostalgia. I noped out immediately. All the soul of that show was gone. You wouldn't have known what the care bears even do, that they are actually involved in the world helping children with their feelings, by that show. They don't go to earth or meet any children. It was just a totally different vibe and kind of the same random irreverant drama that's on the rest of TV these days with everyone kinda acting impulsively. It was nothing I'd want kids watching.