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ReviewRamy
Posted March 12, 2021 by [Deleted] in Television

Ramy is my most recent binge watch. It's two short seasons and I'm so ready for some more.

It's about a young man in New Jersey who is trying to juggle modern life whilst having a faith. He's a total fuck up but easy to care about. His missteps feel relatable and the writing is incredible. There are epic comedy setups but the payoffs are so unexpected (whilst feeling earned and inevitable after they happen), that I think the writer (who plays the main character), might be a genius.

I thought it was just ok until they had an episode flashing back to his childhood and after that I was in love.

His mum and dad are from Egypt and he has a younger sister in her twenties. I thought the show would just be about him but the scope widens out and you get to see things from the perspective of other family members.

They have an episode which touches on gender stuff too and I want to talk about it so much, so BEWARE SPOILERS FOR AN EPISODE IN THE SECOND SEASON ARE COMING NOW.

His mum gets a job as a Lyft driver and gets suspended one episode. This doesn't come as much of a shock because she's pretty rude in general to her customers. She can't think about what it was that she has done, so her daughter gets her to talk about the customers she had the day before. She was very very rude to all of them but in an adorable mum-way where she just says what she thinks and people take umbrage. She's not trying to be rude.

Anyway, she tells the last story about being confused about "a man in a dress" who said he was non-binary and whose pronouns were 'they/them', and the daughter freaks out and says that her mother had been unforgivably rude by misgendering the customer.

In the flashback the mum asked "are you going to a fancy dress party? Is that why you are wearing a woman's dress?" and gives makeup tips. It's not a hate crime situation but clearly makes her customer feel uncomfortable.

The daughter is sure that it must have been that customer who made the report but tries to persuade the mum not to do anything about it.

Anyway. The mum waits all day outside the customer's house and follows when they leave. She goes into the bar, approaches when the customer's date goes to the bathroom and apologises. She says "English not my first language and I feel strange using new words. This is all so new to me," and "please give me another chance!" and the customer replies that it wasn't them who did the reporting but sure, she's forgiven.

The customer also says "you don't know how exhausting it is to police what people say about you."

The customer's boyfriend returns and says how funny it is that you run into people at random like this. The mum says that it wasn't coincidence, she'd been waiting outside the customer's apartment all day. The couple freak out.

The boyfriend says "there is an epidemic of violence against trans women, it's time for you to feel scared!" and calls the cops on her.

The daughter shows up to talk the cops out of booking the mum. The cops aren't really interested in taking further action anyway.

So, I think whilst it is firmly not telling a gender-critical fable, the writer has tried to be Switzerland about the whole thing, and has succeeded in my opinion.

The main stakeholders are set out: a non binary man who wants to be able to dress femininely without it being a big thing and an immigrant woman who doesn't mean to be rude but the rules and language keeps changing. Another woman who knows the rules: just use the preferred pronouns and don't question anything. A man who seems to think that rude, slightly creepy but ultimately harmless women deserve to be scared "for a change"(!), and that there is an epidemic of violence against non binary men, and not, in fact, women. The police who are called in to arbitrate but clearly have better things to do.

If anyone comes off as the asshole, it's the boyfriend, although his reaction is also presented as understandable because a stranger has been stalking his romantic partner.

No comment is made as to the validity of non binary identities. The daughter believes in them. The mother goes along to get along.

The line about not understanding how exhausting it is to police the language of others is fascinating to me. I think it gets to the heart of the whole thing. I'm sure it is exhausting to do that which is why most people don't bother.

Androgynous people of the past, I'm thinking Bowie for example, had to do some explaining as to why they were wearing dresses or makeup but they didn't have to ensure that people used precise language about them.

I'm sure it was annoying to have to justify the use of eyeliner in interviews but I expect it is a lot more irritating to have to insist on the use of 'they/them' when the older generation just don't get it and don't play along. We're absolutely not talking about hate crimes, here, but petty annoyances and irritations.

The issue is that a female cab driver tracking someone down to apologise for misgendering them is put in the same category as a trans woman being killed by her partner, as if somehow these two categories of offense are comparable.

Maybe it's a shared responsibility so that people can have their best lives. If no one makes a big thing out of "cross dressing"/gender non conformity, and in return those gender non conforming people don't make any demands about the language you can use about them. Isn't that win-win? They don't have to be exhausted by insisting on a personal style guide even from strangers, and those strangers don't fuck up and inadvertently cause offense.

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Jane_MerrydaughterApril 1, 2025

The much more interesting and relevant thing about Mike White is that he's Son of Mel White!

Andrew Sullivan did an excellent gayman-to-gayman interview with Mike White re White Lotus S3 where white discusses his Gen X education at Wesleyan and being part of the Judy, Judy, Judy! [Judith Butler] generation.

From March 21, 2005:

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/mike-white-on-transcending-identity

As I_am_TuffTerfies explains here, referencing Butler in your humanities thesis is not grounds for the badly- and superficially-informed take at the OP link.

Az Hakeem also talks about being part of Generation Judy, Judy, Judy and its influence on his academic and clinical experiences.

WatcherattheGatesMarch 31, 2025

Butler was mentored by RUBIN?????? It's all making sense now . . .

I_am_TuffTerfiesMarch 31, 2025

What do you want to know about the relationship between Rubin and Butler? Rubin was NOT Butler's mentor. JB did all her training at Yale; GR was NEVER at Yale. Did JB read GR? of course. In fact, there is an entire section of Butler's book, Gender Trouble, that addresses GR's UNDERGRAD essay, "The Traffic in Women, which is an amazing piece of feminist theory from an undergrad--and a co-founder of the radical feminist collective, Radicalesbians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radicalesbians.

This blog (as most blogs) is inaccurate on many levels. 1) Butler doesn't haven't anything to say about incest in Gender Trouble (beyond the taboo's psychic work qua Freud, but not literal incest, ever). 2) the quote about incest is from Undoing Gender (2004)--long after White left college. Gender Trouble DOES NOT LEAN INTO INCEST w/a gusto--or, at all! Moreover, 3) Sahlins has no influence on Butler; both GR and JB are indebted to LEVI-Strauss! They explicitly read his analysis of the cultural impact on the prohibition on incest through the history of structuralism. Their critique is that this taboo is thought to produce 'normal exogamous heterosexuality', but their point is: why does this fail so often? Why the NORM of heterosexuality? That was their point.

If you want to know anything about this history, read Gayle Rubin's look back at her later work that everyone loves to hate, "Thinking Sex."

As feminists, we need to know the history of infighting and canceling that wrecked the feminist movement so that we can not repeat its ugliness, this includes listening to lesbians whom we might very well disagree with. "Thinking Sex" was a short-sighted piece of academic writing by a graduate student; shocking! bad writing comes from narcissistic young grad students who think their sex lives are fodder for their writing. Men have done this shit for how long? eons. Norman Mailer is still glorified, by a young lesbian feminist, Gayle Rubin, is evil incarnate. huh. funny how that works.

Here are some interesting highlights from an older and hopefully wiser lesbian feminist: "Social construction was little more than the application of ordinary social science tools to sexuality and gender. What seemed so radical was in many respects a conventional set of approaches to an unconventional and highly stigmatized set of subject areas."

"Writing “Thinking Sex,” I dimly saw the outlines of the shape of things to come, but badly miscalculated their reach, persistence, and consequences. My comments on sex and children were made in a different context, in which I assumed (wrongly, as it turned out) that no one would imagine that I supported the rape of prepubescents. Even now, as I write this, I am aware that whatever I say will be interpreted in the worst possible way by some antipornography advocate or right-winger, and misconstructions are inevitable."

She is wrong about misreading Thinking Sex; it is poorly written and filled with false analogies. Time has only proven that piss-poor grad student self-indulgence was precisely that. But so is almost all grad student writing (esp one that has already been singled out as 'special').

I wrote a whole close-reading of Butler's discussion of the incest TABOO in Undoing Gender. It may be lost to history here (under 'deleted' name), but it is here somewhere. I am angry I am defending JB. She does not deserve it. She is a traitor to feminism. I know all of this. And still, I defend these women for the same reason I came to ovarit in the first place: FEMINISM. I am a feminist. I believe in hearing women out, arguing with them when they are wrong or problematic, allowing them to learn and change and possibly come to a more feminist consciousness--one that I designate, of course. And in this lays the problem. GC feminists are canceled and silenced left and right (quite literally). I refuse to do more of the same. I will do my own due diligence and homework to give women the benefit of the doubt. I certainly will never except what MEN say about women as the god's honest truth. Haven't we learned better than this by now?

This blog reads like a Law & Order: SVU plot: a woman is always to blame, even behind the most fucked male act. Funny how that is always the case! Mike White wrote some edgy, if repugnant TV episodes? Oh, well two lesbians are to blame for that! Let's blame the women who do not even KNOW Mike White! The privileged, wealthy (Wesleyan!) gay white guy who gets all the press and attention. But if there is something that makes us take pause before he is given more awards and more cash, well, that must be the fault of lesbian academics trying (and failing) to explain butch/femme relationships (and, yeah, they are both butches who basically are trying to talk about being butch lesbians).

PracticalMagicMarch 31, 2025

I love that you KNOW Butler's writings so well!

I_am_TuffTerfiesMarch 31, 2025(Edited April 1, 2025)

Like the back of my hand! I've published a LOT on it myself so I have skin in the game, so to speak. Today, there is a lot of regret about how my work ties me to her, as I really deeply despise her now. I feel like she denigrated so much of what I care about (feminist theory). I defend her in the name of women, esp women qua philosophy/intellectuals. I know from experience how we are huge targets of male rage/anti-intellectual misogyny. I can easily tear her down, too. But I am sick of the infighting; I am sick of women being canceled; I am sick to death of everything being women's faults. Oh, sick of anti-Semitic misogyny (that Butler, Rubin and myself are all intellectual Jewish women of a certain age is not lost on me).

Men who had NO understanding or care for feminism took up GEnder Trouble and twisted it to their own perverted needs bc they had no idea her points of reference (nor could they understand her). So, yeah, that is the start of all this. I used GT only to promote women and champion GNC feminism. GNC is not neutral; if one fails to conform, one is punished. Of course, women who conform to gender norms are punished too! This is what can be gleaned from Gender Trouble's female references (de Beauvoir, Wittig, Rich, Kristeva) if not Butler herself.

m0RT_1March 31, 2025

frickin hell Malcolm Clark always has the receipts 🧾💅🏽

WatcherattheGatesMarch 31, 2025

Do you have an archive?