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SpoilerVerizonica Mars first time watcher
So its only 3 episodes in and the. kids long lost father turns out to be a woman?! Wtf tv. This takes place during 2004, looks like they had to stick men can become woman plot everywhere they could. Ugh!
I just wanted to time travel to a place where gender woo doesnt exist
I felt the same way when I watched an episode of Drake and Josh (early 2000s) and Forever Knight (1990s). They both had episodes with brief references to "transwomen" - Josh kisses a man when he thinks he's kissing a woman (and both his and the audience's reaction is disgust), and a detective points out a prostitute who was "born a man" and "is a woman now" because of the "wonders of modern science" to Nick Knight.
It's annoying, but it doesn't bother me AS MUCH as the trans crap now because back then, gender ideology didn't exist. Everyone understood "transwomen" were either self-hating gay men or fetishist perverts, and they were also much rarer, both on TV and IRL. You didn't have tons of incels "transitioning" back then like we unfortunately do now.
I remember that ep. And wasn't the TIM played by an actual woman? I remember thinking men who "transition" at that age do not look or sound like that.
I hate when they use actual women to play TIMs. I didn't bother me that much before, but it creates an image that TIMs can become indistinguishable from women.
Exactly. When I was a kid, I really liked the show Ugly Betty which was on the air. There was a TIM character, "Alexis", played by the beautiful Rebecca Romijn. And despite being somewhat of an antagonist, his transness was portrayed in a very sympathetic light. I was fooled into thinking TIMs could look as beautiful as Rebecca Romijn with enough surgery, until I saw how they really looked.
There is no age to transition that a man will look and sound like a woman.
Yeah they need women to play transwoman otherwise we would laugh at the dude in the dress
I didn't remember this, it's been so long since I watched it. I was going to show it to my niece, I used to love this show.
I miss when TV acknowledged TIMs were men. There was a scene in HIMYM when they mentioned a group of women in the building and rumor was that one of them was actually a dude. "Wanna play who's hot and who's Scott?" "It's always the one in a turtleneck..." HIMYM would be so cancelled today!
While it acknowledged TIMs were men, a lot pushed the narrative that they genuinely become women, including by almost always having actresses play their characters. I suspect this had a considerable influence in priming the public to believe their BS in ways we're still fighting against today, where when people think of TIMs they think of, say, Kathleen Turner instead of, well, a TIM.
We also have that unfortunate moment in 'Silence of the Lambs' where Thomas Harris tried to placate early TRAs by drawing a sharp dividing line between Buffalo Bill and what was then seen as 'true trans' (HSTS) by having Starling state that real TIMs are 'very passive'...when the real FBI data even then showed that TIMs, even just HSTS, are no less violent than any other men, and at that point the prevalence of cross-dressing in serial killers had absolutely been noted and was part of the literature (which is a huge part of why Harris made BB an AGP in the first place).
Yeah, it's true. TIMs were usually portrayed in a positive light, even if they acknowledged they were men. In Friends, over the years we get bits of info on how Chandler's father was as a parent, and it's horrifying. All sorts of inappropriate behaviour and abandonment, but eventually they invite him to the wedding and it's all nice, as if the issues between Chandler and his father was just a matter of acceptance of his crossdressing habit. And of course, TIM father played by a woman, even had me fooled that TIMs could look like that.
Well, hold onto your hat because there’s an episode where a character kissed a man pretending to be a woman and is disgusted.
Woke nonsense and some other nasty nonsense aside, I’m a bit jealous of you watching this for the first time. It’s far from perfect but it is fun and entertaining.
It didn't bother me at the time bc gender woo really didn't exist then. Nothing like it does today. Psych had an interesting one which features an AGP who is a multiple personality. The man is a nice guy but the AGP is a murderer. Kinda prescient, esp after reading a post earlier today from the psychologist.
Oh, but stick with VM. It is really enjoyably feminist (there is a couple of exceptions and problems).
Thanks, i will!