Has anyone here watched Dopesick? It's about the opioid crisis focusing on Purdue Pharma and how they aggressively marketed oxy to doctors. I haven't finished the show yet but I cannot get over how you could replace oxy with something like "gender affirming care" and it would be EXACTLY the same thing.
The first parallel that really struck me is one of the characters saying to an investigator that the entire way opioids are being spoken about has changed - i.e. the connotations are not negative anymore. There's the obvious similarity here with the way that we now talk about giving children off label drugs, encouraging people to have unnecessary surgeries, giving them medication that is not good for their bodies, but what also really resonated with me is the way the oxy sales people talk to the doctors about pain. They approach it from a very moralistic, almost SJW angle. For example they say things like "well no one wants their patients to be in pain, no one wants that" but it's phrased to sound like "you're a bad person if you don't prescribe oxy for your patients, because if you don't prescribe it, it obviously means you want them to be in pain and that makes you a bad person." it's very similar to how people are told they are bad and contributing to the suicide rates of TIPs if they don't affirm immediately, if they don't give blockers and hormones.
Then there's other things like the sales people being told, "there's a new study which says that oxy isn't addictive and that patients on less than 60mg can just stop without being weaned off" and they just repeat that to doctors who repeat it to other doctors and patients and it creates this cycle where no one is actually doing any actual research and everyone just claims that the studies show things which no one has ever verified that they do indeed show.
There's also things like Purdue introducing the "pain assessment" scale into hospitals (a graphic that patients can use to rate their pain on a scale of 1 to 10) which reminded me of the Barbie/GI Joe scale from Mermaids, and the buzzwords/phrases that they tell doctors to use like "individualise the dose" and "pain is the fifth vital sign" which the doctors just end up also repeating back and forth without much real thought as to what it means, much like they do with "live as your true authentic self", "born in the wrong body" and "sex assigned at birth".
Furthermore there's the sales people muddying the waters with hospitals and pharmacies, implying that they can be sued if they don't carry oxy, making doctors and pharmacists too scared to say no in case they are sued by patients.
I'm only three episodes in so far but it's absolutely shocking how we have wandered out of one medical scandal and straight into another one, potentially even more devastating.
ETA: they also make conditions up when something goes wrong, so for example they'll say that oxy lasts for 12 hours. When it doesn't they'll call the pain "breakthrough pain" and prescribe more oxy to deal with the "breakthrough pain". And the next minute every doctor and pharmacist and nurse is talking about "breakthrough pain" like this is a condition and everyone knows about it, much like the way we can't step outside our doors now without hearing about "gender dysphoria" etc.
If there is no way to keep such a space private and secure, including by potentially screening members, how ever that would work, I don't think this is a good idea to have on a public site that is lurked on by hateful abusers and rapists. Not only would it be absolutely awful to have painful experiences appropriated and spread potentially for ridicule, but if any users shared very specific details in an attempt to find solidarity with other survivors, such information could be used to doxx already very vulnerable women.
Yes, let's not forget there are tims who go to women's groups to listen to their experiences just so they can mimic it better in their LARPing. It's not a good idea to have these things out in the open, maybe just have a general relationships type sub where people can post about red flags etc but stories about actual trauma ought to be kept to a private space.
I’m guessing you’ve never been on a trauma forum? Yes the sickos read and get off to what we say, but there are so many forums of this type all over the internet. No, they aren’t completely private. I’d argue that it would be impossible to keep men out of any survivor space.
I’d even go so far as to say that it’s not difficult to avoid being doxxed. Sexual abuse is so common that details overlap from survivor to survivor. Even if you think your case is unusual, chances are that someone else has experienced the same. I say this as someone who actually met another survivor who’s abuse and circumstances surrounding the abuse were the same, in such a way that sometimes I doubt their existence as how could so many things in our lives be the same.
I guess I just find your arguments very dated as if successful and public survivor spaces haven’t existed for 20+ years now, without people getting doxxed.
My point is that the social climate on this site is much different from a lesser known forum meant specifically for survivors. I'm not just worried about sickos and fetishists getting off to it. I don't want the potential of my own experiences being spread in hateful communities on twitter or reddit to mock a traumatized "TERF". Even without doxxing, that would be re-traumatizing and I can't say I would be able to hold in my emotions enough not to respond thereby making myself more vulnerable to them.
If your point is people like me, who are anxious about exposure and have very unique stories, don't have to participate in such a circle, I am aware. I want to make sure to warn some women here though as the culture of interacting with mainly women can lead us to forget everything we post is public and perused by TRA lurkers looking to take us down. Awareness of the risks is important to protecting our identities.
To be honest, I don't see the admins creating many new circles anyway. I am not the voice that would be preventing this from becoming a reality. But if it is made and it does work out, that would be great.
i just sprinkle my accounts here and there all over this entire forum. i figure the more i talk about my experiences the more other women will talk about theirs.
Would love this, it also needs to be a woman-only sub that excludes all males (since there are... 🤢... some males on this site still).
yeah i almost forgot they literally get off on that shit
Any man who gets off on a woman’s trauma (or violence against women in general) needs to have his dick cut off. :)
agreed
seconded :)