My comment was reported for homophobia so here it is again with different phrasing surrounding gay males:
The Bear. I don't understand why it's so popular. It has too much male anger for me.
Designated Survivor. There's a bathroom scene with a TIM, and a woman was made out to be a bigot for feeling uncomfortable with an obvious male in the women's restroom. Granted this was later in the show, but still. I wouldn't finish it or rewatch it.
Baby Reindeer. More TIM madness and weird sex things.
Big Mouth. I was in a different place in my life when it came out, and at the time, I found it hilarious. Now I can't stand it. It's about a bunch of kids having sex. And of course there's a TIM character too.
Queer Eye. Same as before. I loved it when it first came out, but now I realize how shallow it is. Rather than showcase how diverse gay men can be, it typecasts them into the over-the-top flamboyant stereotype that at some point is overwhelming to watch.
Good Girls. It has some weird portrayals of women, including a teenaged TIF.
I won't even watch Euphoria because of Hunter Schafer. I did see the new Hunger Games movie he was in, and I was really sad to be subjected to his poor performance in one of my favorite franchises. Side note: He does this weird thing with his voice. And also, his side profile is a dead giveaway, though you can still tell from straight on.
I also won't be watching Land of Women because it's not actually a land of women if it includes a TIM.
Tbh I dislike most shows because the majority of them are written for men, by men. If a show has mostly male characters (which is almost all of them) and/or too many sex scenes, I'm usually not interested.
Practically all of them. I just can't be bothered watching recycled tropes and storylines anymore.
The only thing that keeps me watching (but maybe not listening) these days are breathtaking locations and seriously good set/costume design.
One recent exception was Shogun. Serious artists in costume & set design. And intelligent script that was worth listening to for its depth & subtleties.
One recent exception was Shogun. Serious artists in costume & set design. And intelligent script that was worth listening to for its depth & subtleties.
Forgive my ignorance, but would this be suitable for tweens/young teens?
It is a mature rating. It is based on ancient feudal Japan so there are violent scenes with swords.
breathtaking locations and seriously good set/costume design.
That's the only reason i continued watching killing eve.
Outlander. Checked out when the male love interest (can't remember name) beats the female main character as punishment for disobeying him or some shit.. And we were just supposed to be okay with that and go on thinking that he's a great guy. 🥴
Love Island. The concept sounds fun but in reality you're just watching a show with a bunch of naive young women being manipulated by men who could not give less of a fuck about them for weeks on end.
Same with Outlander. If they'd handled it sensitively, as part of a centuries apart clash, I'd have minded less, but the comedic, jangling music and the way they filmed it for laughs and sexual titillation just repulsed me.
Bridgeton. #SorryNotSorry. I was a History major in college and have been obsessed with British history since childhood. I’m quite fascinated with the Regency era and have always been a huge Jane Austen fan.
Despite this, I’m not opposed to blatant, ahistorical anachronism when it’s a stage or screen performance that’s fantasy - it’s done with Shakespeare plays all the time, and can be very effective. However, I think the problem with Bridgeton is that it veers too far from the reality of that era, in a way that’s too jarring. As if everything in the early nineteenth century has to somehow be pulled into the present day, from the costume choices (don’t even get me started) to the music. It’s too much for me. I sort of enjoyed the first season, though I wish the two main characters had some chemistry to make the love story convincing. But I just couldn’t watch the second season.
But, I don’t know - I’ve now started to watch My Lady Jane (and Early Modern a.k.a. Tudor Britain was one of my main interests). Hope springs eternal, I guess.
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Yeah, same. I felt as if it didn't fully know what it was trying to do - Eloise is a Wollstonecraft-type feminist but also too dim (too sheltered maybe?) to see that there is no alternative to marriage for a lot of women. Cressida was a more interesting character, but I guess she's off to God-Knows-Where in the back end of nowhere, so...
And I didn't like Colin as a lead. I said it. The brothel scenes were such a strike against his character. I know it's a trope in romance novels but really, how sexy is it that he's going to give his virgin bride STD/Is? Not at all.
Yeah same,like suspension of disbelief is a thing but there needs to be some semblance of reality so there's actually something concrete there. This is why I prefered Catherine the Great, didn't even pretend to be "historical," just straight up told a story in an interesting way. And the costumes were actually good here.
Yes Bridgerton was just a fun romp there for a second but it turned into too much sexual tension for me and less really good character and plot interaction. Turned it back into the romance novel it's based on. But also I don't know if I liked how they were treating the jealousies and relationships between the girls-- reminded me too much of how gossip can really ruin people and it doesn't all turn out ok bc so-and-so found true love after all so girls all forgive eachother and are besties again. Eyeroll.
I loved season 1 of Yellowjackets, but then in season 2 a TIM came on screen and I felt so uncomfortable. I actually didn’t realize they were a TIM, but I guess my intuition/subconscious picked up on it because every time they were on screen I felt tense and anxious, and like something was telling me to get away. I looked them up, and it was an aggressive man who rants about trans genocide.
I did watch Vampire Diaries, The Originals, and Legacies. I only watched because I love vampires, and I thought it was better than I expected. VD gets better from season 3, The Originals is better, and Legacies (Legacy, singular? Can't quite remember the name of the show) goes back to being more teenage-y and it's interesting aside from some cringey stuff. At least no teenage-vampire relationship. I don't know why people keep writing vampire stories with teenagers. I didn't know about shitty treatment of actors, but not surprising, unfortunately. I also think Bonny was the best, and she had a pretty good development.
I watched at least some of the first season of Supernatural and I couldn't stand those guys. I see the fandom and I have considered giving it another try, but nah. I heard the creator got all mad that the show was successful mostly among women and decided to treat female characters bad out of spite, so it's no for me.
I didn't watch the last season of Sex Education. I thought it was interesting at first, was uncomfortable with the introduction of gender special characters and framing the woman trying to stop minors from performing a sexually explicit song at a school event as the "bad guy".
Girls - too libfemmy. Too narcissistic as well.
You're the Worst - was recommended to me, but it's a show about awful people being awful to each other.
RuPaul's Drag Race - I used to enjoy the costumes and performances, but over time I couldn't not see the misogyny, which seemed to increase every season. I do think RuPaul might be GC but he couldn't speak out without ruining his career. Still misogyny in drag, tho.
Plenty of heavily praised shows I never bothered. Never saw a single episode of GoT. I won't come near Euphoria, just from the sinopsis, won't even mention the creepiness of the showrunner. I'm not interested in Baby Reindeer, sounds like the delusions of a women-hating narcissist.
I kind of lost interest in any show with male protagonists, actually. I did start watching The Bear, and while I thought the first season was pretty good, halfway through the second I kind of forgot to continue, it wasn't as interesting. I might continue, or maybe it deserves a place in this list.
It’s a kid’s show, but I was PISSED when one of the Transformers (from Transformers Earthspark on AppleTV) came out as nonbinary bc it didn’t feel like a boy or a girl. Okayyyyyy. It’s a robot! It’s truly bizarre. I tried to get the kids into something else, but they watched a few additional episodes and the nonbinary stuff was really focused on in a couple of them. My kid was like “what are pronouns?” Ughhhhh.
I can’t watch shows with any male main characters. I mostly rewatch call the midwife tbh
Rick and Morty, when the screenwriters had Morty give a little speech about how watching porn together as couples is such a beneficial thing because you find out “what your significant other” likes. Not the only example of “porn is wonderful” in characters’ mouths, either. Screenwriters/showrunners? really pornsick.
Wasn't the guy running that accused of SA too??
justin roiland creeped on minors and was replaced (he voiced both main characters and wrote earlier eps)
Oh gross; well, that checks out then!
Dan Harmon is also pretty much an established missing stair at this point who keeps getting a free pass for it. Because, A, he's Dan Harmon and they like Community and they like Rick and Morty and he keeps getting full credit for what people like about those shows while avoiding blame for what they don't like, despite being one of a team of writers on those shows and how people's least favorite episodes are often ones he had the biggest hand it...and also they like his story circle and think it's more original than it is (it isn't, but it is convenient for writing sitcom-style shows where for the most part everything more or less resets at the end of an episode). And B, he has a threadbare 'male feminist' schtick that people keep falling for when he apologizes for the creepy and abusive shit he keeps doing (let's just say a man with his history around female employees shouldn't be lauded for assembling a team of us the way he's been; there are also some extremely questionable videos of him) as though 'owning' acting like a POS makes it ok. The way he has almost entirely new people in each of his projects, whereas most creatives often find ways to bring in people they work well with? Not a coincidence, he has quite a reputation for not working well with others. His alcoholism also isn't helping. He basically treats Rick like his idealized self.
Jet Lag the game is a YT/Nebula show I thoroughly always enjoyed watching, and even though it had some diversity issues, they were on their way to remedying it and seemed to be headed in the right direction. Recently the producers released a new gameshow on Nebula... and the introduction sequence is narrated in an irritating seems-like-man-trying-to-imitate-a-woman's voice. Instantly had to stop watching. Look at the credits, and of course it's that one infamous TiM from youtube who does the philosophy channel. A bit more googling, and I think he even owns or manages a big part of nebula. Cancelled my subscription instantly. I liked the original show, but want nothing to do with that disgusting man.
I stopped watching Game of Thrones in Season 1 because of all the sexualised violence and gratuitous female nudity.
I stopped watching Project Runway because it just got very stale and substituting interpersonal drama for design and creativity. Also every time they had a 'normal woman' challenge, seeing the gay male designers bitch about having the dress a 'fat' woman got too much.
Big Bang Theory: I was excited to watch a comedy series about 'smart' people, but the characters are so obnoxious. And most of it isn't funny. If you ever watch it with the laugh track muted it's really obvious how painfully unfunny and sexist it is.
Chernobyl and Dopesick because they're based on reality and it was too depressing to watch.
Agreed on both PR and the incredibly sexist Big Bang Theory. ugh. way too much lampshading.
This is so funny. I watch TV and I don't watch any of these shows. I watched some Breaking Bad, bc Bryan Cranston is so talented, but it was so obviously problematic about both race and gender. Vince Gilligan should have known better from writing for Scully on The X-Files, which, if you have not watched, is a MUST WATCH (despite the fact that Chris Carter was a problem). So a white dude is an anti-hero for selling meth, but black men are criminal 'Others'? please.
I did watch The Bear but agree with the criticisms here and online. It is some seriously piss-pour storytelling. I hate all the 'vibe' television.
The fact is comedy is really driven by women more than any other genre. And honestly, comedy is harder to write. There are some great women-led TV shows that deserve attention that didn't get enough eyes on them.
There are shows I strayed from that I keep thinking I'll get back to but haven't yet: I stopped Orange is the New Black after Season 4. Need to get back to Atlanta Season 3. I didn't watch Master of None when Lena Waithe took over.
I happily quit the DC shows that were way too self-serious and stupid like Arrow. Never even started Batwoman, Black Lightening, etc. I like Flash when it started but gave up after season 3ish. Note: J'adore DCs Legends of Tomorrow! It is an incredibly feminist show and fun as hell--AFTER season 1, which is terrible and is never to be watched.
I don't watch anything that is animated except Bob's Burgers, and that doesn't wow me.
Way back in the day I would watch SVU but now I have no idea why anyone watches it. SA is not representable and it gives the false sense that the justice system is caring and not absolutely effed up, which it is.
I find most popular shows incredibly dull and poorly written, but then again I write about television and am always analyzing it, so what I enjoy is connected to my research.
Billions - first couple of seasons were interesting plot lines and some of the acting was really great, then it sort of just became everyone was an awful person doing awful things. Introduction of the enby character didn't help either.
I watch alot less tv than I used to, when I do it tends to be PBS standards like American Experience and probably more true crime shows than is good for me. I think during the pandemic I just started getting more library books (mostly mysteries) and have kept up the proportion of books vs tv.
I was quite captured this year by Elspeth, glad that it got renewed for a second season.
Altered Carbon. I love sci-fi and I was told it was a good show. But I couldn't get past normalised prostitution in the 1st episode.
Game of Thrones. I'd read the books and after a couple of episodes with gratuitous nudity, I decided I didn't need to see it. I already knew the story.
Breaking Bad. I watched most of the first season but didn't get hooked. Not sure why, it was good TV. Maybe because I'm not American (the whole cancer thing is undermined when you're used to a system where this situation wouldn't happen, you'd get treated regardless of money) or maybe the rapid escalation seemed silly to me.
Rick and Morty. Too much stylised stoner dialogue.
Steven Universe. My housemates at the time were obsessed with it and I couldn't stand the voices.
Gossip Girl. Pretty rich people in their own bubble.
Gilmore Girls. It wasn't on TV where I was as a teenager, so I watched it as an adult and just didn't get it. I mean, I get it - cosy small-town drama, family relationships etc. But it didn't appeal to me, because who talks like that??
It might be easier to say what shows did hook me and why lol.
I did watch all of Supernatural! Only because a friend sat me down and made me. We got as far as season 12 together, then I rode out the rest on my own as a matter of pride. It became a parody of itself, and yeah, almost seemed to hate its audience by the end. I did enjoy the humour and inventive episodes where they played with other genres, but other TV shows have done that too.
I also watched Gilmore Girls as a grown adult long after it was on the air. I watched it all the way through, but I thought Lorelei was ridiculous and treated her parents atrociously. My main objection to it though was how unrealistic it was in terms of how well Lorelei did for herself as a single teen mother working as a housekeeper for a hotel.
At least you stuck with it and can have a thorough opinion about it. I lasted two episodes and opted out :S
Game of thrones is one of those shows I read the plot summary of and don't actually watch. Like I want to know what happened as my curiosity wins out sometimes but I don't need to see it happen.
And fucking Gossip Girl! Fucking rapist Chuck Bass. If you're going to make a character a villain using rape as the villainous deed, don't walk that shit back! Who cares if audiences liked him(fuck audiences), pick something else beyond hurting women then ffs. Pisses me off how many shows do this.
Sounds like I really missed out 😂😂 yeah, the early 00s teen dramas were a fever dream compared to now. Dawson's Creek, Gossip Girl, The OC, Gilmore Girls, etc. What a time to be alive.
Too many at first, then pretty much all of them now, for slightly warped reasons.
Got so used to shows I liked taking a turn at some point and losing whatever 'spark' they initially had that made them fun, interesting, whatever, or just outright hijacking the initial premise, overall killing off whatever I liked about it to begin with and then just shambling on interminably that at this point if I love a show I practically cringe when the newest season comes out (particularly after some kind of significant hiatus that wasn't about the creators taking the time to get it right). And postpone watching it...sometimes indefinitely. Sometimes prefer the idea that there's more of it out there, that whatever it is kept going, than be faced with the reality that as writers were replaced or got bored or just started to run out of great ideas that really belonged in the story they were telling, they fumbled it. Walking out of a significant installment of something you walked into a fan of, disappointed but unwilling to admit how disappointed and searching for something good to say about it when they best you can do is 'it was...fine' is its own brand of depressing that I try to avoid. Like an infinite marshmallow test...if you also kind of suspect it might be a stale marshmallow.
An exception is when it's a series launched with a strong creative vision for it from beginning to end and had the same hands guiding it throughout the arc (Slings & Arrows, for instance, so, so good). More like how movies are generally created, just in serial form. TV writing can pretty quickly end up like just about anything else designed by a committee. And by their very nature are often doomed to drag on until enough people stop caring to watch that they don't get renewed and then try to pull together a finale from whatever's left of it to wrap everything up (or don't get a finale and it fizzles out like a dud firework).
...But also Glow, Season 3, where they took all of the interesting ensemble characters and their interrelationships and the themes they'd been developing and just seemed to decide they weren't worth following through on and dumped those story arcs in the trash and sidelined most of the characters in favor of shoehorning in a mediocre drag queen subplot, because god forbid a show about women be about women without sympathetically 'including' crossdressing men, and then also shoehorned in a random TIM cameo with even less reason for him to be there.
And Clarice, episode one. They absolutely destroyed the character, which was awful, because she was such an amazing, nuanced character in Silence of the Lambs, and just seemed to make it a vehicle for extremely heavy-handed social PSAs.
Edit: Janitorial typo cleanup.
a series launched with a strong creative vision for it from beginning to end and had the same hands guiding it throughout the arc
Yes, this. A TV show with a cohesive arc that ends when it's supposed to is a fantastic thing. Supernatural should have ended with season 5, and it would have a better legacy for it. Avatar: The Last Airbender, Gravity Falls, they're both incredible TV shows that ended when they were supposed to. I've heard good things about Twin Peaks as well.
We're in an era where studios want views and change their plans for a show based on popularity. Supernatural was popular, they kept it going, and now it's unrecognisable from its origin seasons. I could say the same for The Simpsons.
TV is now easy-viewing content that brings in and/subscription revenue rather than an art form. You have to sift through a ton of crap to find good TV these days.
I truly want to know who's still watching the Simpsons, as a fan of the early seasons who legitimately hasn't tuned in to anything they've made in the last...checks watch....20 years. It just got too depressing seeing what it became after its subversive, surrealistic, satirical origins (and losing Conan O'Brien didn't help).
I've been watching Pokémon with my toddler and enjoying how truly wholesome it is... mostly the first seasons on repeat... but the newer seasons lost the magic and give me the ick. Not only did they change the illustration style but eventually had to get new voice actors as it's gone on for so long. Ash is so obviously voiced by a woman trying to do a sightly gruff 10-year-old voice that I can't unhear the gender cross-over and it's totally killing it for me. It makes me sad but the fashion style of the female characters just gets so weird in these later seasons and all I can think about is some middle-age man using them as his inspiration to try thigh high socks and pigtails. They started to include a lot more gasping noises and cutesy teary eyes but beyond that they also lost each character's actual personality traits. Ash goes from determined and honest and caring to someone who doubts himself and sulks about it and doesn't form connections with each Pokémon like he did before. I never thought I'd be deep into 90s little boy obsessions but here I am.
Killing Eve. Idk why it was so good at first but I just stopped near the end of the first season and forgot about it
Wow, just noticed the typo in the title. 🫠
Wow, just noticed the type in the title. 🫠
And here, too :)
you could probably ask the mods to change the title for you if it bothers you.
Currently Once Upon A Time. I watched till halfway the second season the first time, and now I managed to watch till late season 3.
The amount of weird intrafamilial relationships, annoying child actors and the obvious Disney characters just bore me. Season 1 was pretty ok, mashed up fairytales, Disney but not too Disney...
I second Bridgerton: I liked the first season and the Queen Charlotte spin off. The second season was meh and the third... It's a no from me. Too many sex scenes, brothels, HIGHLIGHTER, side plots, and I am not a Michaela fan.
I actually liked Once Upon A Time:)
Haha me too, but it did fall off and the last season was lame. Like nobody cares about random adult actor Henry.💀
And the evil Queen in gym clothes and manning a bar?? Sorry but bfr. Even in the regular world she'd be at the top of the food chain.