How could you leave this out:

I'm sure I could give a TERF a good time without even taking off my pants if one was willing. But that might force them to reconsider their idea of us trans women being sex-obsessed creeps so they would never lol.

Spoken like someone who's definitely not a sex-obsessed creep.

No, TERFs aren't sex-obsessed. They're obsessed with not having to put up with those who are sex-obsessed.

So unbelievably rapey. Not one thing an actual lesbian would say.

Lol, not surprised,

at this point, it does nothing but paint them with bad PR, as I'd wager there's not a single real lesbian represented in that thread.

In my years in open and public same-sex spaces, I can attest to NEVER hearing women speak like this. NEVER. Not from lesbians, not from bisexuals, not from heterosexuals. Not even in our grimiest, sex-enclosed spaces have I've ever seen this venomous sort of language.

We don't create a bogeymen out of other demographics and laugh about hate-fucking them. Like at this point, the amount of second hand embarrassment and disgust I have for these male clowns is insurmountable.

Even the ones that don't encourage the violent, rapey rhetoric still can't help but defend it.

and i do believe most of the time, the intention is totally good! (I won’t even touch the exchange a few threads above, talking about “showing a terf a bad time” or whatever - it could even be fake, it looks like the kind of thing terfs screenshot and share on twitter to agree with each other about gross “men” in women’s spaces. but that isn’t the majority of what i see, by far!) stuff like this is most often meant just as a pithy way to put down a deserving political enemy, and align ourselves unequivocally with our trans sisters. which on its surface is great! I do think it’s important (maybe especially in These TimesTM) to state unambiguously and with your full chest that you support a vulnerable minority and reject the position of a powerful, oppressive majority, especially if you belong to that oppressive majority’s demographic and you’re stating your allyship. I think the people talking this way usually just aren’t thinking, you know? they’re just repeating rhetoric that floats around in our culture without examining what it really means and what it does. I don’t like it, and want it to stop, for all the reasons already said. but I’m also not reading its presence here as evidence of “male violence” from trans women invading into women’s spaces or whatever. it is some gross male-sexual-violence-coded rhetoric, that has invaded the speech of some percent of trans and cis women alike, because we can’t help but have the culture around us rub off on us, for better or for worse, and if we don’t do some deliberate thinking about it, we end up saying stuff we would not mean if we thought about it for even a minute (eg the whole concept of internalized misogyny or internalized any-kind-of-bigotry). because in case this needs saying, these kinds of rape jokes making women generally feel unsafe and uncomfortable means trans women as well as cis women. many of the people who i’ve talked to who feel like me, that they want to see less of this kind of talk, are trans themselves *edit: i’m already rambling on a bit, but this comment a ways above by u/blinkingsandbeepings articulates it quite well, more succinctly gets at what I was trying to say - kind of assigning collective “blame” diffusely across our whole society, the memetic way ideas and language spread; that it’s not intentional/malicious and not an individual thing

✓ It's fake!

✓ But if it's not, their intentions are good!

✓ But if they're not, they weren't thinking!

✓ But if they were, they can't help it because culture!

✓ But if they can, they don't mean it!

✓ But if they do, it's not their fault!

This defensive reaction is just the finishing touch to all the "evidence of 'male violence' from trans women invading into women’s spaces or whatever".

It's so very male to fantasize raping the woman they hate.

"Transgirls are so much better" - well, in that case I suggest you get busy with each other and leave women alone.

That entire thread is utterly disgusting and made my stomach sink to my toes. I'm unsure why I read the archived link, perhaps out of morbid curiosity, but I did.

You have a valid point that's why when I say fuck {insert bigot variant here} I specify not in a fun way. Most people imply the not in a fun way. Also I keep getting told trans women like myself are good in bed imma have to test that theory when I see my partners next.

Transbians are good in bed, I promise 🙏 my transgirlfriend just fucked me and oh my lord

My gf can confirm that ... She says I have Magic Fingers.

My girlfriend has a magic dick, ngl

Holy shit she did it! She found the right dick! AND SHE’S STILL GAY. SEE THAT FUCKWITS?

Utterly disgusting.

This is disheartening. It’s not just men that are out to get women, but women who are allies to these men as well. Women are more worried about making sure men feel comfortable that they’re willing to be complicit in this kind of dialogue.

Everything they say translates to "they are all rapists".

Ah yes. The comments correctly answer the question, in order stating: rape, mystery violence, rape, projection, and then… the nazi claim. All very feminine things to do. Wow.

These idiots are the same variety that couldn't find the clit with a map narrated to them by David Attenborough.

Second to last comment is projecting so hard it's painful

Well at least one of them said the quiet part out loud! This is actually a great way to examine why men associate sex with hate and violence.

"[T]he entire world".... Ha. If they think the ENTIRE world hugboxes them, got a few good countries in Africa, East Asia, or the Middle East I'd LOVE to drop them off in the middle of.

While they are squeeing about how the "whole world believes they are right"... Their asses would be punted off a tall building.

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