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Dressed2K1llFebruary 17, 2025
Mmm well when someone asks me why I’m a vegetarian (which is fucking ALWAYS) I tell them I don’t feel good eating dead flesh. I don’t see the sense in eating something someone has to raise, then kill, then butcher, while we are surrounded by fruits and vegetables and beans and seeds and things that MIRACULOUSLY reproduce and give us sustenance.
“But pRoTeIn” - I hate that response - I’ve been a vegetarian for 30 years and I’m perfectly capable of finding protein, dafuq
AmareldysFebruary 17, 2025
More confused. Less so by hunters... at least those animals got to live their lives before being killed by a predator... but confused by people who normally like animals and don't wish to hurt them, but eat animals raised in awful conditions.
I am especially confused by people who are appaled by Chinese practice of dog farms, yet who see nothing wrong with cow farms.
Same!!! I always cry when I see pigs or cows on those awful metal trucks on the highway 😩 Pigs and Cows are so special! Why do we (not me, the meat eaters) want to eat them????? How can the abattoir workers not die from empathy? From the feeling of fear coming off of the animals? Ugh. I just can’t.
fistcityFebruary 24, 2025
Me too. It's just so awful. Cows and pigs are such smart, gentle, loving animals. They deserve so much better. I can't imagine eating them or killing them. Meat and dairy do not look like food to me. They only look like stolen flesh and secretions. It's so sad.
Have you heard of Emily? She was a cow who escaped a slaughterhouse. She was on the run for 40 days and eventually went to live at an animal sanctuary, where she lived until her peaceful natural death. They built a beautiful statue of her. Here is a wikipedia article about beautiful beautiful Emily <3
I think abbattoir wokers become desensitized and I believe their job has a tremendous mental toll on them. But also like why do even people choode such jobs? I can understand more a less how can people buy a piece of meat that doesn't resemble an animal anymore, but like choosing to kill animals as your job and seeing they suffering? Like what's wring with these people?
spinningintellectFebruary 17, 2025
I actually have less respect for people who kill from a distance (ie. the average meat eater). At least hunters/slaughterhouse workers have the guts to look their victims in the eye when they kill them.
spinningintellectFebruary 17, 2025
Yes, I do. So many people appropriate the struggles of others who have to kill to survive to justify killing for their own enjoyment. They don't care about suffering so long as it's not "their" group; anything, no matter how ridiculous, is used to rationalize their desire for something obtained via rape, forcible impregnation, torture, enslavement, and murder.
How do you talk to someone who does something this monstrous? Because killing for your own enjoyment is monstrous. The cognitive dissonance kills to interact with. They say the most insane shit, and you have to be "tolerant" of their behaviour, or you're "preachy" and "forcing your views onto them". Nevermind that they didn't seem to mind force when it came to what they wanted.
I suppose forgiveness is the only coping mechanism I have. Is it sincere, if it's for something they will probably never even seek to atone for, and I must do it to maintain sanity when interacting with them? I don't know. But it's why I can't hate violent criminals who do things to other humans; I can't hate one group of monsters over another.
Wow, needed to get that out. Sorry for the long comment. But you are definitely not alone.
fistcityFebruary 24, 2025
I am definitely not in the forgiveness stage lol. I get too angry at them for eating animals. But at the same time, my grandparents (who are the best people I have ever known) eat meat every day and I love them with all my heart. I don't think the things I think about non-vegans about them. But it's sure hard to think kindly about people I don't know who are complicit in rape and murder.
I don't know how to talk to these people. I'd freak out and go hellfire. I admire Earthling Ed's videos a lot because he is able to talk to non-vegans without backing down or apologizing, but he is also kind.
I think I hate all monsters. I hate violent criminals. I don't believe they deserve forgiveness. I live in a place where violent things happen, where I have experienced violence myself, and there just isn't enough room in my heart for both the people who've been hurt and the people who hurt them. I believe here is no actual, reasonable excuse as a human being to predate on a living thing. People make excuses. Convenience. Poverty. Trauma. It's all bullshit. Fuck restorative justice. It's not real. It is nobody's right to infringe on another's body. I have no sympathy for the violent and cruel. They can rot for all I care, and I hope that they do. I would like not to believe in prisons, but what do you do with such people? I see no other option.
As for non-vegans, I really don't know how we convince them that what they're doing is cruel. They won't sit through videos of animal suffering. The worst of them will sit there and talk about bacon while they watch a pig slaughtered in front of them. They will make crass jokes about animal death. They become irrationally angry seemingly at the mere mention of veganism. It's crazy. I think it gives them the feeling they're doing something wrong and they can't stand it.
Whoo! Guess I needed to get that out too, lol. Sorry for rambling <3
Yes, I feel the same way.
To be honest, I try not to think about it too much as the reality of this carnist world is so overwhelming. I do what I can, right now. And I plan to open a vegan business as soon as I can - October 2028, all being well. Originally it was going to be a vegan restaurant, but now it's going to be a vegan gastropub, as I think it will have more reach.
I remember talking with some women who were working in investigation of child sexual abuse cases. They said, to cope, they had to practice putting the horrible things they'd seen in a 'victim box' in their heads or they'd just be unable to function.
We are not going to change the whole world overnight. We have to keep the faith.
That's awesome about your vegan business! The world needs more of them. I am sure it will go very well!
I have never heard of the victim box before. That is a very interesting concept to me. I always wonder how women with those sorts of jobs manage. I tell my therapist some really awful things and I always feel bad about it.
Yes!!! Keep the faith!!