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ProxyMusicBrysexualAugust 28, 2024(Edited August 28, 2024)

Just a reminder that chromosomal testing at the elite sports level has been done before and was stopped because cis people kept learning that they had chromosomes that didn't match their assigned sex.

Actually, the testing was stopped because of complaints by athletes competing in the female category who were males with DSDs that only males can have.

Also, only some of the athletes with DMSDs in women's sports who objected to the DNA sex testing done by sports bodies like the IOC and IAAF first learned that their chromosomes didn't match their "assigned sex" from the testing performed at and for sports events. In the 1980s and 1990s, quite a few of the DSD athletes whom the sports-related testing revealed to be male apparently knew about their chromosomes and medical conditions long before they were tested and "found out" by sports officials.

IIRC, when DNA sex testing was last performed at the 1996 Olympic Games in Altanta, 6 of the 8 athletes in women's competition who were revealed to be XY with DMSDs had already had their testes removed surgically. Which means they had previously undergone extensive medical testing that would have included DNA analysis, they'd been diagnosed as having a DMSD, and they knew full well that their chromosomes were XY.

Also, those athletes who said that they were totally surprised - indeed "shocked, shocked" - and traumatized to find out they were XY with DMSD through DNA testing done by sports bodies like the IOC and IAAF had a lot of powerful men in medicine, science and law on their side. The one athlete these powerful men always brought up and focused on - and foes of genetic sex testing still bring up and focus on today - is Spanish hurdler Maria Jose Martinez Patino, who claims to have been totally shocked, distressed and shaken to the core when DNA testing done by sports officials at an international elite compeition in 1983-4 when Martinez Patino was 24 revealed XY chromosomes. According to the BS sob story Martinez Patino,has always told, despite growing up in a well-off household in a major city in Europe in the era of modern medical science, receiving a top-notch education, and always getting regular medical checkups and care from "the best doctors" as an adolescent and young adult in the 1970s and early 80s, somehow Martinez Patino made it to age 24 without ever noticing or wondering about M-P's lack of menarche and menstrual periods. Moreover, supposedly no one else in M-P's life ever noticed or inquired either.

https://www.nature.com/articles/355010a0.pdf

https://www.nature.com/articles/358447a0.pdf

RNPhalaropeAugust 29, 2024

ProxyMusic, I haven't been on this forum for very long, but I am always impressed by your well reasoned and well referenced posts. I have bookmarked many of them.

Thanks!

ProxyMusicBrysexualAugust 29, 2024

Glad to be of service! And welcome to Ovarit.

RusticTroglodyteOliver Twist MuppetAugust 28, 2024

LOL yeah okay. Source: dude, trust me dude

crispycherrypieAugust 28, 2024

And somehow all of these “cis” people found out they were actually men. Strange, isn’t it?

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samsdatAugust 28, 2024(Edited August 28, 2024)

Even if this were the case, that would be okay with me, because we all know that at the Olympian level, this would just be people with XY chromosomes in female sports, not the other way around.

Anaktorias_SecretAugust 28, 2024

Mother nature is a TERF, oh so evil

girlvomitadult kangaroo femaleAugust 29, 2024

Sure Jan. Or Jack

LionessAugust 28, 2024

Because people don’t go to doctors and have testing done otherwise?

DaphneAugust 29, 2024

They just hang out for twenty or twenty five years believing themselves to be women but never once thinking to go to the doctor about their missing menarche.