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carbon0vaOctober 29, 2024
'bisexual but no tr*nnies is crazy' the norm, stop hanging out with liars who tell you otherwise
No isn't just a complete sentence—it's the default. It NEVER needs an explanation, a justification, or an apology.
This is one thing I'm on a mission to slip into conversations with all of my Friends' tween and teen Sisters/Nieces/Daughters/etc... first finding a segue to prompt Them to think about when was the last time They just said "No[, thanks]" without any of the above followups—which for distressingly many of Them is never—and then talking about why it's important, no is a complete sentence, etc.
There's an analogy I use to help Them understand, that I just made up on the spot one time but liked enough to add to my mental bag of tricks. Goes like this:
I sometimes get takeout empanadas from this Colombian place a few blocks down. When I do, I pass 8 other restaurants / takeout kitchens on the way to and from. Do I need to have REASONS NOT to go to those places? Of course not—and when I introduce a hypothetical ("Now imagine the owners or workers come running out of a couple of those and actually confront You in the street, demanding to know "why you didn't stop in"), literally every Girl so far has just extemporaneously blurted out how flippin' INSANE that would be.
This analogy has been the basis of quite a few excellent learningmoments™ for building the same reaction to random men when they make similar demands.
I wish we could save comments
Coco_CannibalOctober 29, 2024
Thanks, I'll use it, that's a great analogy, I could never come up with one myself besides, " if you don't like something, it doesn't need an explanation" but then was always confronted with "even racism has an explanation!"
But that's not a preference, but an ideology.
Wsbfom01 [OP]October 29, 2024
“Besides being trans” as if it’s not the biggest elephant in the room.
NOOctober 29, 2024
For me it's
Trans identified males: are male
Trans identified females: are exreemly mentally unwell.
I’m a bisexual woman.
I have no interest in people who are living one gigantic lie. Being around somebody who requires you to play along with their whims/delusions doesn’t sound like fun at all.
I’m attracted to all sorts of people, I’ve fancied butch women, girly women, macho (ish) men and less traditionally macho men.
On occasion I think TIFs are physically attractive but the delusional performance and denial of their biology is the biggest turn off. TIMs are the most unappealing demographic possible.
Edited to add: that’s just my preference. I’m sick of people thinking Bi people just fancy everybody. Lesbians don’t fancy all women. Straight women don’t fancy all men. It’s such a stupid and tired perspective.
Years ago on a feminist blog I read something about misogyny and double standards like, I’m paraphrasing: men can go on all day about what height, boobs and butt, hair color, cultural background, facial expression and speech does and doesn’t make them hard, but women can just spread and admit anyone, so why don’t you? See also the hypothesis that every woman is at least a little bisexual.
Heaven forbid a woman wants a partner she's physically attracted to... Or has a job.
ItzpapalotlOctober 29, 2024
Right? Men are allowed standards and preferences but women who have those things are stuck up bitches. I never got the all women are bi thing - i think it’s a male gaze thing? and the fact some straight girls will play at it for male approval 🤷🏻♀️
men can go on all day about what height, boobs and butt, hair color, cultural background, facial expression and speech does and doesn’t make them hard, but women can just spread and admit anyone, so why don’t you?
Pure projection. There's maybe four men on all of planet earth who would refuse sex with anyone who's not "his type".
Maybe four. Could be three. Or zero.
Carrots90October 29, 2024
My saying is
I love sardines with red onions and vinaigrette
I love strawberry ice cream
I do not want sardine chunk ice cream with a big dollop of crazy, thank you!!
Wsbfom01 [OP]October 29, 2024
In the replies they were saying that bi people have no “excuse”, it’s crazy. When was acceptance ever measured with how much people are willing to sleep with you? It screams entitlement and rape apologism.
ItzpapalotlOctober 29, 2024
Oh ffs, nobody needs an “excuse” not to date or have sex with someone! What the fuck is wrong with them :/
snailsOctober 29, 2024
theres a lot of things all trans people have in common.
all trans people are mentally ill, self-centered and lacking in social awareness to varying degrees
can anyone tell me one trait all [people pretending they're not the sex they are] have in common besides [pretending not to be the sex they are].
Well, besides being delusional about the reality of sex, seems some majority also don't understand boundaries or consent, which is a definite deal-breaker for me.
quiggyOctober 29, 2024
Traits that all trans and non-binary individuals have:
- Delusional
- Volatile
- Controlling
- Manipulative
- Misogynistic
One trait - in regards to lesbians?
You're all born biologically male, and I am not attracted to anybody born biologically male.
overall, universally - all trans people are deluded about their sex classifications
"Bu bu bu I wear woman's clothing"
Women aren't consistent of the clothes they wear, and your sex doesn't change through verbal omissions and clothing preference.
"Bu bu bu, you're denoting women to their vagina's"
No, it's a mandatory requirement of my base attractions. If you are not female, you do not pass go, you do not collect $200. You were never a consideration in the first place. My branched attractions past that, evolve into my every day attractions that most see at face value.
You, as a third-party, DO NOT get to verbalize yourself into my attractions,
YOU DO NOT get privy to my language and descriptors,
And you DO NOT gain access to my spaces.
"bu bu bu, I slept with a lesbian",
You slept with a bi or straight women pandering to your mental health, both of you using an actual minorities descriptors to get-off, how disgustingly self-serving and homophobic of you. You're a male fetisher. We are not the same.
Edit to fix bc im an edjit
My dog doesn’t wear clothes, but the bet vet 🤭 says she is female
How can we know?
My dog doesn’t wear clothes, but the bet says she is female
... oh You meant VET😅 Slow Girl over here, wondering for a looonngg couple seconds: "waitaminute why would She place that bet? Among the dogs I know who don't wear clothes it's about 50/50"
•________•
but then I realized, of course, that any dog who goes by "she" is obviously female. ( • ᴗ - ) ✧
[Deleted]October 29, 2024
Almost like there's significant indicators of one's sex universally recognized across the animal kingdom,
Crazy how that all falls apart when a man says otherwise
"Bu bu bu I wear woman's clothing"
Women aren't consistent of the clothes they wear, and your sex doesn't change through verbal omissions and clothing preference.
And if it's a romantic relationship, how is he different from any other long-haired straight male once the clothes come off? Then you literally just have a naked man in your bed.
TrappedInACarOctober 29, 2024
Attempting to guilt trip people into sleeping with you by calling them phobic is not sane behaviour. It is very male behaviour though.
mathloverOctober 29, 2024
For lesbians - we will never want to be with any larping men ever. It's not a preference; it's a permanent dealbreaker. And it's not because they are "trans". It's because they are men - no matter how they feel or what they do.
Nothing else matters. Not personality. Not genital status. Not "passing". The only thing that matters is being male - for lesbians, the answer is no before the man ever asks.
And for women who are capable of being attracted to men, no reason is ever necessary or would ever be acceptable to the larping men. If a woman says no, the only acceptable reaction from a male (obviously including TIMs) is to not say a word, walk away, and never ask again.
blibberinghumdingerOctober 29, 2024
can anyone tell me 1 trait all trans people have in common besides Being Trans
Extreme mental illness
SadeyedladyOctober 29, 2024
They are all delusional, sexist, misogynistic, and entitled. There are four traits for you. Add another two for TIMs - creepy and pornsick. I’m bi and would never date a TIM or TIF.
Attempted sex deception is the common trait
Sex deception is repulsive and morally wrong, I won’t engage with anyone who tries to do it.
FastWavesOctober 29, 2024
Consistent traits? Well, as displayed right here you're all pushy, annoying, self centered and entitled. I don't even date normal people like that.
PeakyLenOctober 29, 2024
A flimsy grip on reality, a refusal to acknowledge biological sex as important, an inability to understand that other people have emotions and feelings beyond trans people... Shall I carry on?
DimetrodonOctober 29, 2024
Even if someone had a totally positive perception of TIPs, they could still have no interest because:
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The vast majority of TIPs don't pass.
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Even if a TIP does outwardly pass, they either have their original genitals, or they've mangled their genitals to make them resemble the opposite sex's. Someone can find both unattractive. (This applies to bi people as well, as being attracted to both sets of genitals, doesn't mean you'd be into a "woman" with a penis or a "man" with a vulva.)
Your point #2 is basically the reason why "pansexual" was coined—and therefore wh the fathest-gone, most-terminally-online TRAs/handmaidens think it's tw@nsfobic to ever use the word "bisexual".
Also, I doubt the cognitive dissonance in case #2 involves genitals very often, if indeed ever—since, after all, you aren't going to see, or smell or just generally perceive, anybody else's genitals unless you're already attracted to them enough to reach that point (barring SA of course).
Of course, you can be turned off by the genital weirdness when you DO reach that point—just as people who aren't attempting any deception can (e.g., if you discover that your potential partner has terrible hygiene in that area)—but I'm not buying the idea that genitals factor into initial attraction.
It's more about the discord and internal inconsistency of perception, between being visually presented with the look of one sex, but all the mannerisms, speech habits, physical gait, conversational rhythms, body language, etc etc of the other sex—most of which differences are inescapable because they're either skeletally hardwired (like gait differences) or else have been differentially socialized more-or-less since birth.
A lot of this perception is subconscious. In fact, lots and lots of "general creepy vibes" are explainable by the same kind of phenomenon where the parts just don't add up to the whole, in ways that only subconscious intuition can rlly calculate—and often going beyond the physical (e.g., when somebody's comportment and behavior don't match the stories they've told you about themselves).
I also see them say that pansexuality is when you're attracted to "all genders" without regard for gender, and bisexuality is when you're attracted to "multiple genders," with gender influencing how you experience that attraction. 🙄
Unnecessary distinction obviously, because gender is imaginary and sexuality is based on sex, but I guess some TRAs wanted to accept both bisexuality and "pansexuality," while still finding a way to make sure TIPs are included in everything.
Edit: In response to your edit, I definitely don't think genitals factor into initial attraction, and I agree that you can subconciously tell when something is off because there are so many little indicators. I just brought up genitals to point out that, even if someone somehow passed perfectly, there would be a big issue in regards to actual intimacy. TIPs like to believe "botton surgery" actually gives them the genitals of the opposite sex.
But if You think about it, that's remarkable—because TRAs are so zealously obsessed with erasing all the other tw@nsphobic words that boomers use, from "biological sex" to "breastfeeding" to "pregnant Women" to all the hundreds and hundreds of others.
I wonder what it is about "bisexual" that makes it THE single exception, that a bunch of these people actually want to hang onto it?
Probably too much work to get everyone to switch to "pansexual," when "bisexual" can be redefined to fit TRA standards. They just say the "bi" in "bisexual" refers to being attracted to both "genders like yours, and genders unlike yours." Therefore, it no longer references the sex binary in their minds.
Lmao I've never heard that one before. I actually laughed out loud
You make a good point, though, that they're more about colonizing and redefining words than trying to erase or replace them outright. In other words, that lame-o attempt at rebranding "bisexual" is just like what they've been doing with "woman", "mother", etc.
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Carrots90October 29, 2024
It’s anti narcissism bigotry. You should all be ashamed if yourself and submit sexually
Y'all deranged degenerates.
And "No." is always reason enough, you fucked up rapey fuck.
Edit: and stop, for the fucking love of everything, acting like bisexuality is the trash can sexuality. I'm straight and it really annoys me.
I'm bi and far from being interested in just anyone.
Exactly, but for some reason a lot of people pretend bisexuals will hop on anything everywhere, and they are the to-go for TiP.
Here’s sardine chunk strawberry ice cream!!
What? You said you like sardines and strawberry ice cream
No, but this is exactly it. I like masculine men and feminine women. A ghoulish Reanimator mishmash is just Not It
100% how I feel, and that's not even getting into the fact that most trans people I've ever seen aren't attractive as the sex they are in the first place, without any forms of transition.
Ahh great way to put it. People do act like this and it's insulting af.
Not trying to excuse this, but it's simple enough to understand WHY it's so easy for random normies to develop this kind of attitude towards bisexuality—and important to understand, IMO, because the underlying situation can't rlly be 'fixed'.
Basically it's like this: When you're meeting or encountering somebody, it's impossible to know if that person is bisexual—UNLESS they're /1/ openly flaunting some sort of polyamory or promiscuity with partners of both sexes, and/or, /2/ just throwing their sexuality in your face upfront, as in, literally announcing it to all and sundry (with the obvious "lgbomgwtfbbq2map++ activist" insinuations that it needs to be announced to the whole world).
Needless to say, most people are not fundamentally okay with either of these types of behavior—at least finding them unsavory and offputting, if not outright offensive.
"The trash can", as You so perfectly put it... ••but I'm pretty sure most of Us would chuck both /1/ and /2/ into the same trash can••.
Where the crux of the problem is: Normal bisexual people just walk among us, undetected.
There are no giveaways or tells—if a bisexual normie is out with Her/his partner, they'll be indistinguishable from any other hetero- or homosexual couple (and vice versa: literally anybody on earth COULD be bi, but how would you tell).
Putting these observations together, we have the unfortunate reality that *the ONLY people who are instantly recognizable as bisexual, are those who publicly parade/flaunt their bisexuality in socially unacceptable or questionable ways.
This realization should at least make it a little easier to try and empathize with this attitude—or if not "empathize", at least to understand why it's so widespread even among people who are pretty conscientious about most other types of bias (and the relevant insight might even help with befriending them, where Your friendship could be the example they need to change their minds).
Interesting observation, I definitely see what you mean. The only "normal" way anyone could figure out I'm bisexual is if they know me long enough to see me in a relationship with a man at one point and then a woman at another, or vice versa. But even in those situations, people I knew assumed I was now a lesbian as soon as I was dating a woman or assumed I was now a straight when I was dating a man 😅. That I found incredibly annoying because then, they NEVER seem to view bisexuality as an actual, consistent sexuality and always think it must be one or the other. It's frustrating.