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pennygadgetFebruary 7, 2025

This is a moment of tremendous political instability in your country.

I'm assuming you're not American on account of saying "your country" and not "our country"

Ma'am. If you've ever tried any level of activism in this country, you would know that its not that easy to disrupt the two party system. I've worked in non-profits and activist spaces on both the left and the right. Many GC women work with the right because the right is kinder to the politically dissident/homeless and actually give us a platform. Whereas you can get thrown out of left wing spaces for being too Jewish or not centering TIMs hard enough.

I'm sure its possible for us to take advantage of the instability on the left and in the DNC to make some progress. But it will take time to get there. Trump has only been president for ONE MONTH. Give us some goddam time to catch our breath and work (and enjoy our small victories) before you pass judgment. JFC

NastasyaFillipovnaFebruary 7, 2025

17 days

nopenottodayFebruary 7, 2025

Whereas you can get thrown out of left wing spaces for being too Jewish

Can you elaborate on this please? Close friend is a left-leaning Jewish woman. Never heard anything like this

not centering TIMs hard enough.

This of course, is obviously too real

pennygadgetFebruary 7, 2025

Can you elaborate on this please? Close friend is a left-leaning Jewish woman. Never heard anything like this

A lot of far left and progressive groups interrogate Jews about Zionism and kick them out if they don't give the "correct" answer. This only got worse after the October 7th attacks and the subsequent conflict in Gaza. Many protestors tried to prevent Jews from entering college campuses because of their supposed ties to Israel. And groups like the Women’s March essentially banned Jews by saying ""Zionists"" aren't welcome (even though that shouldn't matter in an American feminist protest)

RadisheFebruary 7, 2025

Have you somehow gotten the impression that US women have some level of political power? Or that it's coincidental that there are only two political parties and that neither respect women?

marxfemFebruary 7, 2025(Edited February 7, 2025)

Yeah we'll get right on that. You've saved all American women from ourselves.

I really can't believe none of us have thought to take control of the Democratic party before?? Like, are we stupid? You've really opened my eyes, OP. Thank you ❤️

MascaraRunsFreeFebruary 7, 2025

I'll make coffee and bring some extra chairs into the living room. C'mon over everybody. This is a cinch. Take power, look at us!

HareFebruary 7, 2025

You have two posts and four comments here and this is what you're posting? Since you're saying "your country" I'm guessing you're not from here. Don't come to Ovarit insulting American women who have zero power. What do you suggest we do? Orange in charge has been in office for just a couple weeks now, that's not enough time to recharge and make plans. This post is super unhelpful.

NastasyaFillipovnaFebruary 7, 2025

In fact, the last 2 weeks have been all that we have been wishing for, ie end of trans madness

UberFebruary 7, 2025(Edited February 7, 2025)

I don't know who you're including when you say "we", but obviously you are not us.

That isn't all that the women here have wanted. We want respect and safety and equal rights. The rights to our bodies, to live as we choose. The right to not be murdered, to not live and operate out of fear.

If you think Ovarit is soley about dismantling what the trans cult has done to society, you aren't paying attention, and it makes me wonder if you're here in bad faith.

NastasyaFillipovnaFebruary 7, 2025

if you're here in bad faith

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is an 80 percent friend and not a 20 percent enemy”–Ronald Reagan

MascaraRunsFreeFebruary 7, 2025(Edited February 7, 2025)

Trump is only agreeing with us here 0.00000125% of the time. That is the amount of RISK that he represents to the ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET.

What's happening is TERRIFYING, and we're counting on conservative Christian nutcase dominated SCOTUS and fucking jackass Republicans in Congress to step up to the plate.

How dare you.

EDIT: Ronald Reagan famously fired the air traffic controllers. Oliver North ring any bells. Yes I well remember Ronald Reagan, the great appeal he had to white voters dreaming of some mythical (Hollywood-created) "white America."

MarthaMMCFebruary 7, 2025

The problem is the Dems agreed with us very little also. And also risked the planet.

The Dems had Soros & the transhumanist trans & the scientists who greenlighted gain of function work on deadly viruses & the Dems got us involved in questionable wars with our Saudi "allies".

I thought Reagan was disastrous too. But Obama's policies on trans started the whole mess being supported officially, his & Bush's bailout of the banks without helping the 99% or people facing eviction doesn't reflect well on the Dems.

AND Obama broke his promise on abortion rights. He promised during campaigning to prioritize it. After he won, he publicly said it was not a priority of his.

MascaraRunsFreeFebruary 7, 2025

Trans is barely a blip, compared to what Project 2025 has in store for the world. Sad to say.

WokeuplateFebruary 7, 2025(Edited February 7, 2025)

“The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is an 80 percent friend and not a 20 percent enemy”–Ronald Reagan

How dare you.

This seems rather over the top. I get that you feel Trump is a 99.99999875% RISK to the ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET and this is TERRIFYING to you. You’re certainly entitled to that POV. But it is inappropriate and a bit unhinged to toss around a How Dare You because someone speaks positively about the last two weeks of Trump actions.

After years of this madness, people are now able to speak truthfully about biological reality without fear of government retribution, women and girls have their right to female only sports reinstated, males will no longer be allowed to commit penalty-free acts of exhibitionism and voyeurism in locker rooms, predatory men are being removed from federal women’s prisons, minor children are being protected against sterilization, and grooming of children by the educational industrial complex is finally getting some pushback. Are we all nervous about the future with Trump at the helm? Sure. Do we think that these positives for women will be accompanied by a list of imperiled rights and pushback against the gains of the last half century? Yeah, and it makes me mad too. But that doesn’t mean I’m willing to live at DEFCON 2 for the next four years, and I definitely think it is rude to fling the “I dare you” to those of us who have a different strategy for coping with the Trump administration.

MascaraRunsFreeFebruary 7, 2025

I'm not at DEFCON2, Peter Theil, Steve Bannon, Elon Musk, et al are at DEFCON2. It's a man thing. A specific kind of far-right macho (ie insecure) wealthy man thing. If you read books, books about history, historical periods when things have gone completely off the rails, all over the world, you will see the "disaster capitalism" "flood the zone with shit" "technocratic males uber alles" (whatever that meant for that particular time period)(Galileo got his start improving the trajectories of cannonballs for some duke) seems to be a feature of the human species, and not a bug.

I relish the deliciousness of saying "how dare you," I don't use it often. I do believe all the harms of the trans movement pale in comparison to those that the effort to dismantle an imaginary "deep state" in the US may have on the planet. Oh climate change? Let's privatize NOAA, and while we're at it, get rid of FEMA!. Fuggedabodit, we don't need no stinkin' cooperation internationally when it comes to climate change. It's all a hoax. Rapture anyway, all the Christians are going to heaven anyway, so bring on the end times!

Yes, I stand by my "how dare you." REAGAN, the forerunner of the mess we're in now.

NastasyaFillipovnaFebruary 7, 2025

But now that the most misogynistic, racist, rapist pig the world has ever seen

Yeah, no. This hyperbole is the reason Democrats are gonna lose 2028 as well.

quiggyFebruary 7, 2025

Yeah he is all of those things but clearly not the most of any of them that the world has ever seen. That would take quite a lot because there have unfortunately been many atrocities committed by many leaders throughout many eras.

MarthaMMCFebruary 7, 2025

JFK was even more of a rapist. Thomas Jefferson too. Doesn't make it right, or less shameful that few people cared. Clinton was accused too. At least Harris would not have been. Putin has encouraged his soldiers to rape Ukranian Women. Hitler was far worse. Saying Trump was the worst ever in the world destroys your credibility.

As far as racism, claiming that, when there were US Presidents who were slaveowners & at least 1 was a member of the Klu Klux Klan, will also cause people to think you're lying because of partisanship. Especially when there was a big increase in Black & Hispanic men voting for Trump.

As far as misogyny, just about every President had misogynistic behaviors & policies. Though I think that Jimmy Carter was the exception.

SatanicPanicFebruary 7, 2025

Right. This OP is wilfully ignoring every dictator that has ever lived.

PerenelleFlamelFebruary 7, 2025

It really, really is.

legopantsFebruary 7, 2025

Everyone's always the villain but them apparently

sensusquaeramfactophilialFebruary 7, 2025

A lot of it's anxiety offloading tbh. Much easier to exacerbate the villain than tackle the existential dread of your own party imploding.

gala-applesFebruary 7, 2025

For the record, I genuinely do think trump is a racist, and I held my nose and voted for him. I hate the idea that everyone jumps to "hyperbole" instead of considering that no, maybe some of us genuinely do think these things about him for actual reasons other than Trump Derangement Syndrome, and that the arguments presented to us to convince us otherwise have simply not worked to persuade us. I have reasons for thinking the way that I do just the same as you do. As a black woman (I'm sure no one cares, just illustrating my point here) I made a REALLY hard choice to vote for him anyway for the sake of women's rights, and I wish we would take it seriously that voting for this dude is not just a walk in the park for many of us by dismissing criticism as hyperbole. Dems suck, yes, but that does not mean Trump is an angel (obviously not saying you said that he is).

Carrots90February 7, 2025

Good for you making a choice. I felt like such a coward doing a write in

Couldn’t vote for him..plus I knew he’d win anyway

Couldn’t vote Dem or they’d never have to consider women’s issues beyond abortion

NastasyaFillipovnaFebruary 7, 2025

I think the same as you do. Trump is not fit for the office of the presidency, and I don't think even he thought he was a fit for it. I remember 2016 results, it looked like he was more shocked to win than the Hillary campaign.

My criticism is with the ad hominem. Look at what he is, not what he's doing arguments that are used to attack the republicans, are the same arguments used to defend the democrats. Look at what we are, not what we do.

HessaHeinFebruary 7, 2025

yeah let's ignore the other side's bigotry!

NastasyaFillipovnaFebruary 7, 2025

Not ignoring, just down with the hyperbole for once. You really think Trump is worse than the likes of Jeffery Epstein ?

Democrats had this insane strategy to call him Felon, and all it did was pushed his numbers up.

MascaraRunsFreeFebruary 7, 2025

LOL YES. He is worse. I don't recall Epstein running for President with fucking nutcase techbro lunatics and right-wing Christian woman-hating fanatics backing him?

SatanicPanicFebruary 7, 2025

That's because he was too busy trafficking and raping young girls on his island.

MascaraRunsFreeFebruary 7, 2025

As I said, I don't recall Epstein running for President. Do you read any history books, perchance? Trafficking and raping can happen on a vastly greater scale, with the kind of disruption globally that Trump's "team" envisions.

What's worse: young girls traffcked and raped on an ISLAND, or vastly increased numbers of young girls trafficked and raped because of GLOBAL destabilization.

HessaHeinFebruary 7, 2025

Nothing is going to change. Everything has to collapse and then maybe we can argue over what's next.

UberFebruary 7, 2025

If there's anything left for there to be a "next" 😬

MascaraRunsFreeFebruary 7, 2025

The pollyanna naivete on display. They undermine this, destroy that, and a multiplier effect kicks in, accelerates. What's easier to stop, a speeding train or a car going 2 miles an hour. We're in the train, and historically that's never a good place to be.

NastasyaFillipovnaFebruary 7, 2025

It will change. He can't run again. And it's gonna be fresh election cycle. They just have to realize that this time campaign on "My guy good" instead of "their guy bad".

pennygadgetFebruary 7, 2025

It will change. He can't run again. And it's gonna be fresh election cycle. They just have to realize that this time campaign on "My guy good" instead of "their guy bad".

The Republicans will likely run Vance in 2028. But I can't think of any rising stars on the Democrat side. Newsom is out on account of his disastrous handling of the LA fires (not to mention turning California into a giant homeless encampment). And Josh Shapiro is hampered both because he's Jewish (which will be a problem if the Palestine fandom is still super active in four years) and because of the Ellen Greenberg controversy.

Dean Phillips might be a good choice. But he doesn't have much name recognition.

I can't think of anyone else who stands out on the Democrat side

readfreakFebruary 7, 2025

In two years we can put Democrats back in Congress and the Senate. That is what always happens. This country prefers balance and after two years of Trump, excuse me Musk, People will be ready for some balance and in 4 years if Democrats win the white house, all the EOs will be overturned.

MascaraRunsFreeFebruary 7, 2025

That's not what Harris-Walz campaign was based on.

marciekrFebruary 7, 2025

If you honestly believe he will not still be the president in 2029 (providing he is still living), then you are living in a fantasy. He said there would be no more elections and people didn't take him seriously. I believed him then and I believe him now, unless something drastically changes soon. They are already talking about a Constitutional amendment to let him run for three terms.

Once everything collapses, there will be no next. The villains of the world will strip everything of value and we will be left with nothing. This isn't hyperbole, this is our future unless something changes.

pennygadgetFebruary 7, 2025

If you honestly believe he will not still be the president in 2029 (providing he is still living), then you are living in a fantasy.

Trump will be close to 90 years old in 2029. He is not going to destroy the Constitution just to run for a third term that he likely won't live to see.

sensusquaeramfactophilialFebruary 7, 2025

Yeah. And nevermind this Deus Ex Machina of "making a Constitutional Amendment" to xyz.

These panicky, hyperbolic threads have some of the most imaginative ideas, I'll give them that.

DarkMavisFebruary 7, 2025

Since when is 83 close to 90? I mean sure, it’s closer to 90 than to 70, but let’s not throw accuracy out of the window to make a (hyperbolic) point.

I know he eventually stepped aside for Harris, but Biden started the campaign as the Democrat candidate at the same age Trump will be in 2029

readfreakFebruary 7, 2025

It takes a herculean effort to change the constitution. It takes 2/3 of the state legislators to vote on it. Democrats won't vote for it and blue states won't vote for it. He cannot do 3 terms. He won't be able to change the constitution at all.

CattitudeFebruary 7, 2025

Yes, I got eye sprain rolling my eyes at that bit of hyperbole.

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StrawberryCoughFebruary 7, 2025

Okay, what's the next step, besides posting on Ovarit?

pennygadgetFebruary 7, 2025

Step One: Insult American women on Ovarit for not taking over the entire DNC in the month since Trump's election

Step Two: ???

Step Three: WOMEN’S LIBERATION

camino_medioFebruary 7, 2025

The underwear gnome strategy, got it.

UberFebruary 7, 2025

I'm not sure what that is but I think I agree with you

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MascaraRunsFreeFebruary 7, 2025

Concept of a plan, brilliant!

nomenarewomenFebruary 7, 2025

while the other is working to ensure you never get to play organized sports again.

Yeh I don’t buy this at all. You’re being massively hyperbolic. Have you tried consuming a broader variety of media? Trump is arguably a shit, but he isn’t the biggest shit ever, and given the steps his administration is taking to protect women’s rights, I don’t think it’s the worse thing that he’s in power. Let’s be real, Kamala wasn’t gonna pass EOs that get men out of women’s spaces and stop the medical abuse of minors. And no, that doesn’t mean I like Trump as a person or condone all his actions or support all his decisions. But I really don’t think him being in power is the end of the world some people seem to believe it is.

MascaraRunsFreeFebruary 7, 2025

Are you a software developer, or something like that? It's not about Trump, he's just a figurehead. It's the "techbros" with political ambitions and delusions of grandeur that are the problem. Gosh, elected officials blocked from entering another government building today, Dept of Education. Are you okay with that? You okay with easy-peasy access to government systems?

[Deleted]February 7, 2025

Those of us who've knocked our heads against the edifice of the Democratic Party know a lot better than you do what a waste of time, energy and heart it is trying to reform it or take leadership roles. We're talking about folks who could raise and then blow through 2 billion dollars in three months but they're going to welcome the organizing and leadership of gender critical women? No, they will vilfiy and push out any such attempts: I know, I watched it happen.

Women's liberation begins with the recognition that no system under patriarchy is our friend. None will save us. Feminists like Sonia Johnson and Audre Lorde and Andrea Dworkin tried to warn us, but we didn't want to believe them. We convinced ourselves that the left is our champion. It's not. We must stop propping up patriarchal systems, organize alternate systems on the local level and stake out new territory.

Lipsy•_____•February 7, 2025

while the other is working to ensure you never get to play organized sports again

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velvetpawsFebruary 7, 2025

HOW DARE YOU not fear the boogeyman

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Lipsy•_____•February 7, 2025

Imean it'd be nice to see a total repeal of the oppression olympics bullshit—especially now that it's a clown show with upper-middle-class White men ("trans women") pretending that they're the most oppweft of all, and actually being treated like it.

A retvrn to the days of genuine good-faith diversity initiatives—especially those that were once aimed at uplifting people who are systemically disadvantaged in terms of.wealth and opportunity, who are all but ignored by what DEI has been perverted into—would be very nice indeed.

pennygadgetFebruary 7, 2025

Well said.

DEI as it exists today deserves to be destroyed. It arbitrarily picks and chooses oppressions based on completely bullshit metrics.

quiggyFebruary 7, 2025(Edited February 7, 2025)

Honestly, I wouldn't know wtf to do to change things on a broad scale. Politics is not my thing. Culture is. I'm an artist. All I know how to do is be a good influence and an example to others in my very captured and misguided circle. I think that the best thing we can do is create and nurture communities. I try to show people there's another way of thinking, a way that is orthogonal to blue team vs. red team tribalism, and cuts to the heart and the humanity of the issues. That's what I pour into my work and into my image.

The politicians will play their games, and they like to let us think we play a part in them, but we are pawns at best. We can scream at the top of our lungs, but it's just like microtransactions in mobile apps; no one likes them, but they're profitable, so they're not going anywhere until an even more profitable model comes along to dupe you anew. Until then, they'll lie to your face and tell you they're just offering you these nice shiny options because that's what you want.

Transcend politics, transcend the script, and transcend gender. (That can be the new transgender!) Some things will get harder because Trump is screwing with them. Other things will get easier because Biden is no longer fucking them up. Some things we blame on Trump or on Biden but really have nothing to do with the president at all. And it's unfortunate, but it's very hard to compete with the lobbyists and the Wormtongue types whispering in our politicians' ears. We are not their real constituents.

So...go out and live despite them. Find your people. Be mindful of their rules, but don't be constrained. In Afghanistan the women cannot speak to one another. Thank our lucky stars we do not have that situation here, because community is the answer. It is what will save the human race. Putting down our damn phones (like the one I'm typing on right now, I know, I know) and talking to each other and understanding each other. Create stability of your own in this time of instability.

It's the only answer. Love is always the answer. It sounds trite, it sounds naïve--and trust me, I always prefer to be the snarky cynic, and I cringe every time I have to say this kind of shit--but God help me, it's true. Love is always the answer.

JBeauvoirFebruary 7, 2025

Thank you. I'm not a writer or an artist, so face conversations and community building are where I put my energy.

quiggyFebruary 7, 2025

I'm not being hyperbolic when I say I believe those are the things that may save us. Thank you.

MascaraRunsFreeFebruary 7, 2025

I love the Jackie DeShannon song, "Put a Little Love In Your Heart." I'm listening to it right now.

However, I put more faith in hackers with a mission to take down Musk and his merry band, also take down Peter Theil, hit them where it hurts. Make them WANT to get out of the "burn the US government down to the ground" game. That's what will save us. Mean, dirty politics that makes them back down because otherwise it will hurt them too much, despite them being billionaires. "Even billionaires have back doors" is a quote I like. I just made it up. I have faith in conservative turncoats, sideswitchers for personal gain. Sometimes people do the right thing for all the "wrong" reasons. Let them step forward now.

Love is just something soft, a coating of smarmy goo to buffer hurt, on the personal level. I'm all for it and wish I had some now, big time.

Here's some stats from Ukraine:

Casualties in the Russo-Ukrainian War include six deaths during the 2014 annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation, 14,200–14,400 military and civilian deaths during the War in Donbas,[1] and up to 1,000,000 estimated casualties during the Russian invasion of Ukraine till mid-September 2024.[2]

There have always been artists creating community, etc. Then the men roll in with their military tech and the artists die.

quiggyFebruary 7, 2025

That is all true, but one of the main battles being fought is for our mental health. And I don't mean as in whether or not you have a mental illness; I mean that our habits are mentally unhealthy, and some of the main things screwing us up are the death of third spaces, a sense of community, copious amounts of screen time, and the infinite and unsustainable expansion of our monkeysphere. I'm so glad there are people willing to get their hands dirty, and their importance really can't be overstated, but we have to cleanse our minds of this hypercapitalist rot before it's too late. We don't really know what kind of adult is produced from a child raised by nonstop access to tablets and the overstimulating, brainwashing cesspit that is the kids' algorithm, but soon we will know. We need community support to raise our kids better and to just live better ourselves, for goodness' sakes. That's why I believe community work will save us. The external fight may save our lives, but if we neglect the internal, we're the shambling undead anyway, with nothing left to save.

SatanicPanicFebruary 7, 2025

Yes sure I'll quit my state job to waste all my resources trying to become a politician (which I have no idea how to do) in a party that does not want me with people who will not vote for me. And, if somehow I do actually become a politician, I will still have next to no power because I will be low level and will have only gotten that far by pretending to agree with everything about a party I do not agree with.

Great idea. 🙄

Carrots90February 7, 2025

I do think some on the left have TDS,m

But I’m going to agree you have a point,

Even if we don’t succeed, we can work to become king makers if not Queens ourselves

The two party system sucks

But independents have affected electoral outcomes. Like Ross Perot

If women could organize, if we had any sex class consciousness, we could rule. We are half the population.

Most men have some of us in their homes and we can make life hard if we take a stand

But we put class, race, religion etc ahead of sex

formallyknownaswomanFebruary 7, 2025

Be the change bro.

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notapatsyFebruary 7, 2025

I regularly see posts here by women who are doing all those things you cite. None of them, however, are going to stop Elon Musk right now.

pennygadgetFebruary 7, 2025

Are YOU doing any of those things?

Do we just come to this website to complain about troons and nothing else.

Well no. Because that word is against the ovarit TOS

SprankleFebruary 7, 2025

Thank you for asking. I don't try to teach any boys not to be evil, don't really have any around me. And none of my sister have sons and I sure as sure ain't having kids. I'm going to a PWHL game in March. I started a thread about it the other day. Has no responses. Which is cool. Hockey isn't everyone's thing.

camino_medioFebruary 7, 2025

I get what you're saying here and do appreciate it because these are tangible actions we can take. Reading the 'rebuild the Democrat party from the ground up' as written by OP just hits hard because our 2 parties are not grassroots - they are bought by corporations and elites. Neither can be rebuilt from the ground up. But we can focus our efforts locally to the best of our ability, as you're suggesting here. And this is probably what OP meant, but it isn't what was communicated.

Carrots90February 7, 2025(Edited February 7, 2025)

Yes. I am doing some of those things, where possible. I agree it’s helpful

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pennygadgetFebruary 7, 2025(Edited February 7, 2025)

maybe others feel the same way?

I think that's why most of us are here. Ovarit was created in the wake of reddit banning r/gendercritical and taking a draconian stance on anyone even mildly criticizing or questioning genderwoo. And Ovarit is still the only place I know of where women can freely discuss this issue from a feminist perspective without a bunch of men butting in and talking over us

SprankleFebruary 7, 2025

Maybe that's the thing, ovarit is like the last website I check on. I use tumblr and twitter to discuss all things rad fem, and gen crit related.

UberFebruary 7, 2025

Maybe Ovarit isn't the place for you? No one is making you stay here.

And I do not appreciate being insulted for things that ARE beyond my control.