This is coming from the group who have compulsively googled the different stages of puberty tanner growth to compare their own "second puberty" progresses to

do they know most normies have no fucking clue what tanner even is

but they'll bang on about how their breast buds are at stages so and so and how large or small their phallos look

Your group is the one obsessing over genitals, not us. We don't need to look at genitals to confirm sex when DNA tests and birth certificates and idk EYES are a thing.

And this wouldn't be a concern at all if you stuck to not violating single sex spaces to begin with.

Pediatricans have to take a glance down the pants to accurately record a child's pubescent development.

HCPs who provide pediatrics care usually do a lot more than that and a lot sooner too.

When children are taken to a pediatrician, pediatrics nurse or family practioner for regular checkups, the HCPs will visually inspect the the kids' genitals closely and AND TOUCH the kids' genitals with their hands numerous times long before the kids reach puberty.

If kids are still wearing diapers, HCPs doing their medical checkups are supposed to take the diapers off and check the privates to make sure that genital development is normal and proceeding according to the right timetable, meaning it's neither delayed nor precocious; to see if the child has diaper rash, tenderness, an infection or unusual discharge; and to look for/rule out signs of CSA.

When examining boys in particular, HCPs are supposed to check the scrotum and groin to see how far the testes have descended; palpate the testicles to check for lumps; lift the penis to look on the underside; pull back the foreskin to make sure it can retract properly and there's no phimosis; and press the groin firmly with the fingers in several places to check for hernias.

When girls have severe abdominal pain and tenderness even when they're pre-pubescent, a sonogram of the internal reproductive organs or internal probe might be required to see/rule out ovarian torsion and or a burst ovarian cyst.

Also, lots of kids get threadworms. Diagnosing and treating worms requires that a HCP or parent visually examine their anus and perianal area very closely and touch those body parts too.

Used to be, certain medications were adminstered to babies and little kids through suppositories as well.

These people act like there wasn't literally a reality TV show where a boy was told by surgeon that he could be a porn star because of all the photos he'd taken of the boy's genitalia.

Also, I can't imagine there would be many situations where any kind of test would be necessary. Parents who trans their pre-pubescent children do not tend to keep quiet about it, and neither do the children. Kids who trans themselves as older teenagers usually can't effectively hide their biological because 1) they've already started puberty and 2) their peers know their biological sex.

When a woman is pregnant, she often has one or both tests to check on the health of the baby. The sonogram, which allows a doctor to visually observe the developing baby’s genital region with a fairly high level of accuracy. Many mothers get an amniocentesis which with 100% certainty determines sex because it collects some of the baby’s cells along with amnio fluid. Not to mention that every baby is born and has her or his sex visually observed and no one thinks any of these occurrences are weird or outrageous. Except for transidentifying nutters and their supporters. Most parents know the sex of their babies before birth and they all know after birth.

Before everyone lost their damn minds, they also knew that that info was recorded on a birth certificate. And, even if a child thinks that she or he is trans, guess what? The doctors still need to know the sex of that child so they can more effectively medically abuse that child by giving wrong sex hormones and to know which healthy organs and tissue to mutilate.

All of this is crazy-ass grasping. Also, parents attend their children’s check up. And the trans side is the one that wants doctors to do terrible things to children without their parents’ consent.

Some of these people have some really sick fantasies.

I mean in fairness I had a bartholin cyst and my male pediatrican gave me the option of him looking etc or his female medical assistant or whatevs (not sure) doing it. I can't remember whaf I chose or whether it was looking or actually physically examining further but either way I wasnt traumatized and hardly remember bc it was so normal. I... actually loved my pediatrician so much that I saw him til I was 21 - I think somehow he practices til that point or is willing to at least for basic things etc. all I know is I was pretty bummed when I asked my mom "are you sure he said no" when she took my sister in haha.

but yeah, doctors inspecting childrens genitals is disgusting and traumatizing or something weird TIMs say

This thread really annoyed me. They were claiming in the comments that doctors were going to be sexually assaulting children by doing exams. And they also said that pedophiles will become doctors just so they can do these exams. 🙄

I read the ammendments, and it comes across as poorly thought out wording:

Delegate Akers moved to amend the committee substitute on page 4, section 4, line 5, following the word “circumstances” by inserting the words “: Provided, That nothing in this article may be construed as authorizing any person other than a treating health care provider to visually or physically examine a minor child for purposes of verifying the biological sex of the child without the consent of the child’s parent, guardian, or custodian”

Then it was ultimately nullified before passing with a later ammendment:

Senator Martin moved to amend the House amendment on page 4, section 4, line 5, after the word “article” by striking the remainder of the proviso and inserting in lieu thereof the words “shall be construed as authorizing an examination of a minor for purposes of determining the minor’s biological sex. The biological sex of a minor is determined by reference to the minor’s biological sex recorded at the minor’s time of birth.”

I think the first ammendment was trying to prevent genital inspections. As in, no one can inspect your child's genitals without consent. But the wording can be read as "only health care professionals can inspect a child's genitals without parental consent." Which is probably why it was clarified in a later revision.