Basically, the title. After leaving an abusive relationship about a year ago, I discovered the FDS subreddit and subsequently radical feminism. I found/find it so fascinating and wanted to learn more.
At this point, I’ve learned more and sometimes I wish I didn’t. I don’t ultimately feel that way, but it is so painful to learn all of the big (& little) ways in which society oppresses and hates us. I cannot un-see or un-learn any of it. It’s fucking EVERYWHERE.
I was convinced I’d be WGTOW forever after the breakup. I couldn’t even look at a man without feeling repulsed. But I started dating again after about 6 months and have found that it is a completely different experience now. I can so easily see past men’s bullshit and I’m no longer afraid to call them out on it.
The problem is that I still have a level of contempt and distrust for men that is impossible to ignore. Even the seemingly “good” ones always disappoint me eventually. It’s hard to form a relationship with someone you don’t trust. And I don’t trust men. Any of them.
So, this has made me unable to be open with the few men I have dated. I even dated one guy for 3 months but could never trust him. I refused to open up or be vulnerable. And you know what? My instincts were right, he let his mask slip and I saw what I always suspected was there (see previous posts). I’d much prefer no relationship over a relationship where I can’t be open.
I guess my real question is: how do I reconcile my painful awareness of misogyny with my heterosexuality & desire for intimacy? I don’t have any IRL radfem friends, so I’d love to hear your experiences with this topic. TIA!
I find pointing out women will have no ability to request a female only doctor without fear of backlash and hatred tends to drive the point home to a lot of people.
Mine is listening to trans people.
I do not make any effort to curate. I aim people at public, mainstream trans forums, at content that trans organizations produce, and at the stories that trans people hold up as great examples of "trans voices."
Trans people peak normies, because the whole concept of trans is now a creepy religion that most people don't find appealing in any way.
That was my experience, I used to be a pro-trans LibFem whenever my ex transitioned but the more time I spent with TIMs the more I realized the inherent sexism and deep-rooted misogyny in gender ideology.
I remember when he transitioned, he started consuming a lot of hentai and weird porn.What peaked me the most was his aggression towards TERFs.
Women's sports is my go to, it's backed by a mountain of data about why SEX MATTERS. You'll get hit with the classic TWAW or (my favorite false analogy) about racial segregation from the activists, but most normies know there's something rotten in the state of Denmark when it comes to women's sports. It's my entrance point to other issues like women's prisons and the sexual mutilation and chemical castration of children (so-called "gender affirming" care). In my experience, it's become a lot easier to talk about these issues in recent years because more people are gaining awareness of the harms of gender ideology.
Most common response I get: Be Kind!!!!1 which is easily dismantled by reminding people that gender self-id is not very kind to women
Most TIMS are heterosexual and 85% + keep their penises. "You will be undressing with a heterosexual man with a fetish. That's it."
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Child detransitioners.
In the study I read, more than 90% of TIMs kept their dick and balls:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6626314/Demographic and temporal trends in transgender identities and gender confirming surgery
EDITED TO ADD: This link should work. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6626314/
Thanks for referencing that article. The link didn't work, but I was able to find it by searching for the title.
There is a huge amount of information in this review!
You're welcome. I fixed the link, hopefully. Thanks for letting me know it didn't work.
Nothing. It doesn’t matter what I say. The response is always either “that’s a right wing conspiracy theory!” , “those poor trans women. Have some empathy!” , or “why do you even care?”
Im so sorry!! That sucks. I hate tje "why do you care" its like, why dont you???
For me it's transbians.
At first I thought it was an online phenomenon. Then I met one at work... It's the most uncanny creature that I've ever met.
Im not ever trying to "peak" people. The entire concept just sounds like trying to drag someone from one cult to another and i never cared for this language. If the subject comes up, I discuss the apparent sexism and homophobia upholding the ideology as well as the complete lack of logic behind all of their reasoning. I dont ever talk about it with the express intent to change someone's mind, i just say my opinions about the subject like i would with anything else. If they decide they want to have a friendly debate, that's fine by me and we engage.
I would say that virtually every single conversation I've had with someone about this, they said I was right. So either they agreed before or I changed their minds about it. But like I said, I'm not trying to convince people. I just thought about it critically and it seems like when people see someone else just thinking about it critically without being concerned about coming across like some kind of perfect "progressive" or not giving a shit if someone calls me a heathen for caring about logic, sexism and homophobia, they realize they, too, are actually allowed to have their own opinions and think about things logically and no, they're not evil for it. Especially when they can recognize that my thoughts don't come from some right wing nut place but come from genuine concern about using your brain and social issues we've been dealing with for centuries.
It's not dragging people from one cult to another it's preventing people from joining the transgender cult entirely. One of the reasons cults becomes successful is how fanatical their preachers are. Normal people don't feel the need to preach constantly about reality they consider obvious and self-evident, so there's often no one to counteract the cultists obsessive preaching.
I usually bring up transbians and point out how homophobic genderism actually is. No one has been able to prove me wrong yet. Everything about genderism is inherently hateful toward lesbians.
That said, I don't normally engage people about genderism unless I have to. It feels too dangerous for me. I've already lost my entire community to this idiocy (LGBT center in my town). I don't need to lose what precious little I have left in my life.
My therapist is a captured lesbian and I'm afraid she'll find out I'm a TERF. I want to argue with her but I need to maintain a relationship with her for my mental healthcare. It's maddening.
For me the answer is “other.” Every time I manage to make a woman friend, she moves far, far away, which means most of my friends are men. And I’ve found the best way to peak men is to bring up TIMS in women’s sports. This is despite the fact that most of my male friends are into board gaming and don’t watch sports. But they can clue right in on the complete unfairness that is to women. From there I’ll bring up autogynophilia and the fact that almost all TIMs are straight. If they aren’t through hearing me rant, I might bring up how they’re doing this to kids due to homophobia.
None of the above for me, too. Men peak over sports - and some women.
The physical differences are so obvious, and so obviously important.
If you talk about detransitioners, they’d will say there aren’t many. Mention violent misogynist rhetoric and “it’s just online talk, they don’t mean it”. If you talk about anything to do with sexuality you are a reactionary prude. But sports they get.
Other: I talk about my personal experience with my TIM AGP ex husband and his raging porn addiction and preference for underage girls.
I was totally pro-trans before because I was truly ignorant and thought, well, I don't understand gender dysphoria and frankly some TIMs are really unsettling for reasons I can't quite articulate, but who am I to question the lived experience or these poor tortured souls who say transitioning literally saved their lives?
Wasn't until I saw how the sausage was made with my ex, so to speak, and now I feel like an idiot for ever having fallen for that nonsense. The misogynistic and fetishistic aspect of it is so glaringly obvious to me now, and my ex is no different than any random perv on /r/MtF
Was your ex-husband socially awkward or isolated? I had a childhood friend who became a TIM and it seems that there's a pretty clear connection between being an anti-social, socially anxious, or noticeably awkward boy and becoming a TIM as an adult.
Yes, he was. It's funny, because when I first met him he didn't come across that way at all. He was pretty popular with our friends and had a pretty close knit "normal" group of male friends he'd known since high school or earlier.
It became more apparent when we moved in together, though. I made new friends at my job but he started working remotely and formed weird parasocial relationships with video game streamers. (In his defense, where we had moved to was very rural/conservative and not easy at all to find people with our interests or values--I just so happened to have a unique job in a more progressive field so it was easier for me to meet people. But, we moved to a major city not too long after and he was still pretty reclusive and made little effort to branch out or even maintain relationships with his existing friends--and we had moved to a pretty popular tourist destination with lots of different things to do so it's not like we'd have too much trouble convincing friends to visit.)
He had always been shy and a bit awkward but he was well-liked and all my friends and family loved him, so I didn't really read too much into his behavior (plus, it's not like the woman organizing all of the socializing/maintaining mutual friendships is that unusual in a hetero relationship). When his gaming interests started increasingly focusing on young, sexualized anime girls though shit started getting weird and that's how I eventually discovered the porn addiction (and a year later after pretending to "work through the addiction" he came out as a TIM and we divorced).
After that I went down the rabbit hole and realized that he's essentially a carbon copy of every terminally online TIM ever. That really opened my eyes as to how insane the idea of "trans" is and how someone like my ex should NEVER be allowed in a women's locker room or spa, etc.
I don't generally bring the subject up because it is hard not to sound like a loon if you constantly bang on about it, but if it does come up, I speak about it mildly but using the basic, common language that everyone used to. I do not use: cis, trans, reassignment, sex change, identify as, gender identity, natal sex, etc. If someone relies heavily on such terms I ask if they can replace each term with a simple phrase to help me understand what they mean. Then I keep asking questions to clarify. It's kind of feigning ignorance of the politics and the culture and framing it as them doing you a favour by explaining it in simple English. Often this is enough to reveal how nonsensical the arguments are
I just point out how shoddy the science around transition is. If you actually take a look at the data, it's hard to come to any other conclusion than that transition is dangerous, unevidenced, irreversible, does not lead to reductions in suicidality, does not lead to good health outcomes, and is pushed onto children without thorough diagnosis. And you can point out that transition doesn't substantially affect male physical advantages (or other traits) to justify protecting women's sports, bathrooms and prisons, etc.
Basically, I tell them that I think adults should be able to do what they want with their own bodies, and that trans "women" may need their own spaces separate from men, but that children shouldn't be allowed to undergo transition and that women's spaces need to remain female-only.
I just had this convo with my grandparents (they're very liberal, generally) and it went pretty well!
Also, most normal people (i.e. not chronically online) aren't actually very informed on transactivism and will be shocked and horrified to find out how transition actually works.
The Staniland Question peaked my extremely liberal progressive husband.
What's the Staniland Question?
"Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?"
A question posed by the Feminist Helen Staniland on her Twitter before she got banned.
Talking about the sports thing seems to be the way to go, even a lot of the tra's secretly think it's unreasonable
I tried to peak a friend who is, or was, a professional ultramarathon runner, and she told me she feels sorry for these trans athletes, the coaches know they’re cheaters, this isn’t a problem, the real problem is doping etc. (which, interestingly, kind of proves my point since they’re doping themselves with male hormones).
I couldn’t believe it. When I asked her about the fact that men’s and women’s marathon times are different, she waved it away, saying that in the Olympics, they don’t have standards like that or something. A total BS argument. I couldn’t believe that she can’t see what’s happening to her own sport and the opportunities that are being taken away from teenage girls.
TLDR; I thought this would be an easy peak and it totally failed.
Yeah the handmaidens who roll over and give them whatever they want, are the most disheartening.
I'd be interested in hearing her response to this video:
https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1781331255964905962
How is this fair? It's doping, just via genetics.
Since high school boys have faster times than female Olympians in virtually every track event, this seems crazy.
You say she is an ultramarathoner, the only distance where being female is an advantage. Humm....
Okay, so this might sound weird, but mine is literally 'the concept of gender identity is fundamentally dubious'. As in, the core idea of gender identity , not norms, not social-construct, but as a supposed innate neurological characteristic is unfounded.
IDK, I might bring up detransitioners in service of that point, and relatedly the massive increase in trans identification amongst specifically female teenagers, but fundamentally, the concept of 'gender identity' is just invalid on the face of it. It has not be robustly demonstrated as a consistent human characteristic, as distinct from sex.
Most TRA claims rest on the fundamental belief that 'gender identity' is real, as in, a real trait that all people have and can never change (if people detransition, they were supposedly never trans in the first place) and has always existed. Despite that claim coming from literally nowhere credible (unless you call the post-modern ramblings of somebody like Judith Butler credible). I'm not attacking anyone or making moral judgements about people when I say that (well, except maybe of Judith Butler...).
It might sound overly cerebral, but if 'gender identity' is just a cultural idea, not an innate trait, then 'trans' is a mental health issue subject to social contagion. This has all sorts of downstream policy and social implications, which is why TRAs try so hard to refute it. One, for example, is that we shouldn't give 12 year olds life altering drugs for something they would likely have otherwise grown out of.
For me, the issue with most of the other arguments is that they sound bigoted. They aren't necessarily (depending on what exactly it is you say), but all TIPs are not pedos and rapists, and making arguments around the point makes it seem like you're saying all TIPs are pedos and rapists. Even if that were to sway people, I'm not sure I want to have that influence.
I think I’ve only peaked one person (my sister) but I have made some people go from fully supportive to questioning a bit with transbians and TIM sex offenders. A lot of straight people I know seem shocked if I’m not fully supportive of trans rights because I’m a lesbian, so part of the LGBTQ+ in their minds, but when I simply ask if they think I should be forced to accept dick just because it’s attached to someone who says they’re a woman then they’re very clearly against that. TIM sex offenders tend to help with making most women see things differently as a lot don’t realise just how degenerate these men are. They often see them as no threat but statistics and actual examples can help. I’ve definitely still had women think these are fringe examples and “not true trans” though.
I’ve had the best luck with pediatric gender medicine. I think it’s because most people’s reaction to learning about pediatric gender medicine for the first time is “but they’re just kids, what if they change their minds?”, and then a TRA tells them it’s totally fine, no one every changes their mind about this!” So telling the not-yet-peaked that most kids with gender dysphoria outgrow it is basically telling them “your first instinct was correct.”
As for adult transitioners—trying to explain autogynephilia and transbians has gotten me nowhere. But telling the not-yet-peaked that most TIMs keep their penises has been pretty impactful. A lot of their support for TIMs in women’s spaces hinges on the unconscious assumption that these men are penis-free.
Honestly I don't bother with the extreme tra types. They're so far in the Kool aid it doesn't matter what you say. They'll think lesbians are bigots and cHiLdReN wiLL DiE without "care" and well those women are in prison who cares about them?
But normal people who are on the fence and still just think they want to go to the right bathroom? Usually the children thing, like how schools are encouraging kids to trans and lie to their parents. Most parents get extremely pissed when people keep stuff from them about their children and try to do their parenting for them. Followed up by all the boys in showers and the sexual assault that happen because of it. Having specific names help, too. So they can't just be like "well that doesn't actually happen."
Names and dates, prove to them they did.
The best peaking material has been them actually interacting with AGPs more than whatever I could do. They generally don't believe me until they get ma'am-ed.
I tell people about the colonization TIMs like to do of lesbian dating apps and reddit, and how it is not a bug but a feature of maleness. They seem to not believe what I am saying at first or dismiss it as irrelevant. When I tell them single-sex spaces cannot exist anymore in a solid portion of the Western world, they also react with disbelief and that’s where I present them to Tickle vs Giggle.
If they still have doubts on the kind of people we’re dealing with, a quick scroll on lesbianfashionadvice seems to open their eyes as to the real nature of the people we’re talking about.
They’re also way into the genderwoo with the pronouns and I explain to them how I as a lesbian suffer from this and the satisfaction they see in a gay person agreeing with this says a lot.
i like the gradual approach of moving someone from TRA ideology ➡️ transmedical/truscum ideology ➡️ gender critical feminism. that’s how i did it.
most transmedical TIPs are against the sports thing, and transing children, and the “gender soul” thing cause they consider being trans a medical condition. they acknowledge sex as unchanging, usually. (the blaire white and buck angel types, what some people call “the good TIPs” cause they’re more tolerable.)
then, after someone is comfortable with the idea of disagreeing with SOME parts of the TQ+ movement, you can introduce them to the rest of it — and show them the most horrific things like the fetishism and homophobia of most TIPs, housing TIMs with women in prison, and the medical malpractice surrounding the whole industry.
Transmeds are often fine people. Most of them are victims rather than perpetrators.
I learned most of my trans theory from an ex transmed. He firmly believed he had a female brain and hated TRAs. Even when he was trans, he never used female spaces because he would not want to make anyone uncomfortable. He only drinks water after work to avoid bathrooms. He's one of the most ethical persons I've met online.
Now he thinks 99% of transmed TIMs are fundamentally male. (Yes, he still believes there are true trans.) He detransitioned socially and refuses to take hormones because he doesn't want to "appropriate a medical condition that belongs to real trans people".
Sadly, his detransition didn't really help him personally. He still has severe body dysmorphia and lives like a hermit. He covers all the mirrors in his apartment and avoids elevators.
i feel really bad for people like this guy you know… i do think some sort of sex dysphoria is a real thing that some TIPs do experience, and the solution is intense therapy and other mental health interventions rather than humoring it. i hope he finds his peace.
He knows he should see a therapist but can't face another human face to face to discuss his dysmorphia.
He believes now that people like him should never be exposed to the idea of transition because it only feeds the dysmorphia further.
There seems to be a transmed to detrans pipeline. TRAs or transbians, on the other hand, will never voluntarily do it. They literally get kicks from showing their fetishes to the whole world.
Very tragic, I'm sorry he's going through that. Makes me even more angry that people like him are being sold lies by this movement.
I have some woke friends who genuinely want to make the world better, so they'll volunteer with homeless people, women's shelter, etc. Women's shelters are some of TIMs' favourite targets, all I do is mention how TRAs behave like males when they vandalize or leave dead animals nailed to the door, or use their own piss as weapons at rallies. TIMs do the peaking all by themselves.
Sadly not on the list. I literay just use AGPs to peak people. The second they question any TiP, they question ALL of them.
What do you do if they don’t believe most TIMs are hetero? Is there research you can cite?
Googling "The Cotton Ceiling" or "Reddit Transbians" provides much info on this phenomena, including TIMs in their own words. The best video I've seen recently on this subject was a presentation by one of the women who founded Get the L Out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pyg6MbCqVI&t=1s
This video also clips many examples of "Transbians" arguing why women must sleep with them (Nausea warning!)
The 2015 US Transgender Survey, which is a dubious piece of non-science, being a survey, is one of the main "accepted" TRA sources to use. 22 isn't fully available yet. Full report can be downloaded here: https://ustranssurvey.org/download-reports/
The orientation of the respondents is on page labeled 59 although the PDF reader calls it page 63, section XIV. 27% of the TIMs who responded identify as lesbian or gay which most likely means actually straight but it's hard to say. A further 20% are bisexual plus 16% pansexual. That encompasses 63% of them. Honestly what's most interesting there is that 40% of the self identified cross dressers who responded call themselves straight, with a further 29% saying they're bisexual. It's pretty much the same poll group right? The only difference is self belief
Not in your poll, but by far the easiest way to peak someone is by talking about women and girls' sports and the blatant cheating that trans-identified males are being empowered to do by sports authorities, coaches, and their schools. Just showing them this video is enough to elicit agreement that males, regardless of how they identify, shouldn't compete it a category that is specifically established to exclude male advantage.
https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1781331255964905962
From there it's easy enough to bring down the whole house of cards that is gender ideology. The key question to ask is why are we privileging the feelings of a male over the rights of females.
Not just "TIM sex offenders" but all opportunistic sex offenders who claim to be trans whether they are or not, and specifically, the data that shows men who pretend to be women are just as dangerous as all other men. I point out that the issue isn't 'bigotry' it is the fact that nobody (judge/politician/bureacrat) has the authority make sexual consent decisions on our behalf about who gets to see us naked. I ask them to think about why voyeurism is prosecuted as a sex crime and why single-sex spaces are necessary in the first place. I also point out doctors/scientists learned about the Y chromosome since 1905 so when they developed cosmetic surgery on genitals they were lying when they called it a "sex change operation."
In America's supremely selfish society this seems to be what Peaks people the most: TIM perversions that directly involve them.
Sigh yeah. In general in my life, when I've tried to complain about or change something, the response from my peers has been, "but this doesn't affect you personally. Why don't you mind your own business?"
This isn't just trans stuff but housing affordability stuff and laws broken, etc...
Telling them to do as the TRAs say and 'educate themselves'. It peaked me. Trying to learn from them about why I was wrong to believe sex mattered. It's their own fucking madness and grossness that does it.
I find most women agree when they know the person they are talking to is gender critical and won't go running off shaking and crying if they hear the genocidal crime that is misgendering taking place.
This particular article is quite good at peaking those who have seeds of doubt already planted: https://www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/
Another one could be, most TIM do not have dysphoria at all, the vast majority happily keep their penis.
For me personally, knowing about the fetish was a game changer. It completely reframes the whole subject away from ''poor mentally ill person struggling just to get through their day'' to the reality that we're dealing with. In that sense, I think awareness that this is a fetish, is a good thing.
As far as I know I've not peaked anyone. If anyone changed their minds around me they did it quietly and without a fuss. I have had minor success in triggering shock and contemplation in some politically correct followers of trans ideology by mentioning some of the butchery done to "affirm gender". They had nothing to say to refute that aspect, I suppose because it's less a critique of the "poor, downtrodden, gender-dysphoric trans person" and more a reflection of the barbarism of the medical field that chases profits and advancement at the cost of human flesh (and countless amounts of dollars).
I hope this doesn't sound flippant because it is my honest, experience-informed answer: the best way to peak people is to give them permission to be politically incorrect. Demonstrate to them that you are someone safe to tell the truth around. They will eventually (or maybe quickly) let themselves use their powers of observation and reasoning, which is all it takes to falsify the trans web of lies.
YES, this. And they also tend to pretty quickly tell you how to help them along peaking when you get them talking, because that thing they're dubious about? Here's a stack of receipts that show it's worse than they knew.
Sadly this only works with people whose friends are right leaning or centrist. If all your friends are left leaning (the case with many gay women and men) you risk losing those friendships or markedly lowered status in your group. Only a few weirdos like myself would risk that. If you and your friends are right-leaning you risk less cuz they already agree with you. That's how they blackmail the LGB so easily. Many of us are disconnected from our families so we risk losing our entire support system. Which is bad as the LGB already has higher rates of depression and isolation and addiction. Trans ideology was a gift that selfish conforming virtue signaling left wingers handed to the right.
This as well.