i’m currently taking a gap year and will be applying to universities in december/january. i did sociology at alevel and loved it a lot and that’s what i was originally going to do, but i’ve been working on this album for the last year and a half and have gotten really into it (most of my projects i start and end within 2 weeks). i’ve been non stop working on it, and i want to learn about production and recording and hone my piano skills. i’m now considering doing a music production degree.
degrees are obviously more than just what you’re interested in, and there are major career downsides to a music degree. other than producing or performing, my next choice of job would be working in the police or something, and having a music degree would not be an advantage when applying. i also haven’t studied music at alevel so i’d be at a major disadvantage. i just love writing music. i love playing guitar and piano and singing. it’s hard because i don’t really know anyone who struggled with choosing their subject and i’m in a bit of a pickle.
how do you make these decisions? they’re obviously very important but i haven’t made many important decisions in my life (i’m 18 so you know)
thanks :)
Become an electrician.
Less likely to be taken over by robots.
Earn a ton of money so you can afford hobbies
In demand, unlike software developer.
My mom is an electrician and while it pays well, it does have its downsides. I do see that the younger generation of women is sticking up for eachother, especially in the USA / union (IBEW).
i’ve considered this a bit but i’ve looked at wages online and it looks like it’s quite hard to make a lot of money as an electrician in the uk. still something to consider
Yeah! There are multiple pathes.. you could do aerospace or other manufacturing type jobs
I'm considering getting a nursing license for similar reasons. Not to earn a ton of money but enough to take care of myself, and I could find a job anywhere if I had to pack up and move.
Nursing has many options besides "bedside" nursing. School nurse, health education, the nurses who become the 'computer' experts, administration, and (in the US, at least) opportunities for advanced education, CRNA, ANP, etc.
And yes, almost any career in healthcare (radiology, laboratory, physical therapy, etc.) allows you to live almost anywhere you want and move if you want.
Nursing is very physically and mentally demanding. Lots of nurses need knee replacements.
As a nurse youll be treated like dirt by men.
As an electrition, only a few will. Almoast all men ive met have been kind and respectful. But ive only worked at stem companies (think a. Company that builds military drones and such)
More than something you’re passionate about, which can be stressful, the satisfying thing to do for work is something you’re good at. So I would choose your best, most lucrative skill. For me, when I went back for a career change after my divorce, the choice was between baking and a STEM field I’d always been interested in but abandoned at 17 on some bad advice. A friend of mine had just gone to culinary school and pushed hard for baking. I did start a tiny baking business (one bread delivery a week to a small, informal buying co-op) at the same time I started taking classes in the STEM field. The baking ended up being stressful and the money was terrible. I was so excited that I could still do math and science in my 30s that in the end my choice was clear and I haven’t regretted it. I do my job and leave it at work, then I come home and bake and sing and knit and go to the museum a lot.
Making it as a musician (is wonderful but) is probably not something to plan on, but music production, or more generally audio production (podcasts) is an adjacent field that might work for you. I heard an interview with a woman who was a composer. Until she became famous she didn’t want to write jingles for commercials, which some of her musical friends did, but she managed to get paid for music transcription (can’t remember the details).
Music would be a hard niche to actually generate an income with, unless you've networked yourself well enough.
I'd also err with a bit of caution, as I've seen heaps of friends (situationally, of course) pursue their interests in the form of a career, and the strain and pressure to meet deadlines nearly killed their passion for it overall (Tattoo artist & Singer in these cases).
I would never discourage anyone from pursuing it if their heart is set on it, so please, OP. If you're driven for it, do it. Don't stop for anyone,
Just take a very small grain of salt with you,
Also remember, that its not an 'end of the world decision' - expensive, so take it seriously. But not end of the world. So if you go for something that doesn't really stick, there will always more chances,
You make those decisions by sticking to your guns, and making a choice for yourself without anyone else interjection. Whatever gets your engine running hardest, your fire flaring brightly, and your legs moving.
Good luck on your choices!
thank you so much for this advice, it’s really helpful.
it is expensive, yeah, you’re right. i’m quite lucky in that the two things i’m split between dont have as high of a pay disparity than some other subjects, so whatever i choose i’ll be in about the same position.
your last points really important, so thank you for that
I loved both philosophy & theater at your age, and chose to major in philosophy, and it is no more useful than theater would have been, and a bit less fun. I realize now, I probably would have ended up being a theater teacher instead of a philosophy teacher. So I'd think of it like that.
The majority of students won't end up as big-time world-changing sociologists or philosophers or musicians or actors, but as low-level examples of them who do a bit of local conferencing or performing, discuss with others who are also interested, publish or record some work, and then teach the trade to others. So which one will you most enjoy reading, writing, researching, practicing, talking about, doing, explaining, showing to people on a day to day basis...
A lot of schools do allow for double majors, or major-minor pairing, and you can find ways to balance what you pursue for a while. But try to think not just in terms of which one you would enjoy "making it" in, but which you'd be happiest in if you have a regular career. Would you be bored by music if you're teaching it to beginners, or be excited to see them becoming inspired? Would you feel deflated if you never had a hit record, or love getting to work on compositions even if they were only published in piano songbooks or used in commercials.. that kind of thing.
i think doing things that won’t get seen by loads of people is okay with me. i’m not entirely sure. it’s quite hard to know at this point
i’ve had a look a joint honours and they seem quite hard to get onto, so i don’t know
If you found a major you love, you should stick with it. As a former uni prof, I have some major qualms with sociology (I think there are better majors in this sort of line of thought). Also, how many people do you know who are actual sociologists? this is really only an academic field as a professor of sociology. there are good things about being a prof but you will have to get a doctorate.
Still, what soc does is teach you to think and write (again, better fields for this, say history or political theory). My fear is that it leads to things like Social work and /or DEI--heaven forfend. Though we def could use more GC feminists in this line of work. But, the best advice I ever gave or got as a professor was: don't think about education as a technical school. You go to uni to become a thinking person; to learn how to think, to foster intellectual curiosity (and humility) and develop a love for --and skill set for--learning itself.
You can combine them in this way.
As to joining the police? Well, if it is not an all-female cover band of The Police, I want nothing to do with it. Sarah Everard was raped by an active member of the force. Many are rapists and wife-beaters (I've posted a link elsewhere).
As a former academic I disagree with this take. Universities have always been 'technical schools' (or, as more commonly phrased, 'vocational schools') for specific jobs - initially 'priest' (which is why they were so stubbornly male-only for so long) and later 'civil servant/government official' as well as the traditional professions - now of course there are many jobs that require some kind of university training. Especially now, given the steep investment of time and money in getting a university degree, it would be worth your while to be clear why you want it and how it will repay your investment. If you're not sure, you might want to think hard about alternative ways to employment, like apprenticeship (another commenter here suggested considering the trades, if that's something you could possibly be interested in/do - though the sexism in many of these routes to work can be off the charts). If you do find later that the route to your 'dream job' requires a university degree you can always do it later, from a position of more stability, maturity and probably money. And as many other commenters have said, you can (and will) always pursue your passions outside paid employment, and may actually be happier and more satisfied with them if you aren't forced to do what you love to pay the bills.
I don't know where you are, but a BA does not get one shit in the US. It barely cracks a door. I live in the Silicon Valley and all the college grads with CS degrees have been laid off in droves. She could apply to law school with a sociology degree, or social work advanced degree. Or a phd, if she loves school. I loved grad school. The best advice is not to go into debt, not to instrumentalize oneself at an age when they know very little about the world of jobs to begin with. And the 'trades' may still be a thing in the UK but they are not a thing in the US--not really. If she is going to be a plumber or a contractor, she should just drop out of school. In the US there are really no such thing (or minimally) apprentices. But she and you seem to both be in the UK.
Whatever you do, OP, I hope you will read this and take it to heart.
One thing to be cautious of is turning something you love into a job to the point you don't love it anymore. I like someone else's suggestion to pick something stable and tolerable that leaves you with plenty of free time enough money to pursue your loves during your own time.
Maybe you can do something like specialize in music therapy as a social worker. It's really hard work, but the ones at schools get to really help young people.
My advice is to try to shadow a few jobs if you can before making up your mind.
I’m 24 and I’ve been in your shoes!
I started college as a music education major after preparing for it through my four years of high school. Music school was HARD, even at the community college level. I have the talent, the passion, the motivation, the knowledge. It didn't work for me. (Actually it destroyed my love for my instrument for several years.) Now I’m in a science major (the same major I initially rejected in order to do music ed) and play in a community ensemble and compose when I have time. Music will inevitably be part of my life forever, but I am glad I’m no longer judged and critiqued on what my body and mind can create and perform. Music is so personal, and it can be surprisingly difficult to take criticism and not lose your passion!
My advice is, if you initially fell in love with and wanted a future in sociology, follow that! Double majoring would be fun if that’s an option for you. Or you can keep composing and playing on your own, join a band, or join a Uni/community ensemble. But if music is calling to you, pursue that. I really dislike the idea that you have to have everything figured out at 18. You have time to figure things out, make mistakes, get back on track. And there’s no shame in taking extra time now or going back to school when you’re older.
yeah, i feel very young. the thing is, i don’t want to not do it now, i want to go do my own thing soon and study and learn more (education is something i’m super into).
thanks for saying what you experienced, it really is helpful :)
Major in something practical and minor in music. Maybe majornin business or econ and then you look great to music production companies
If you are interested in arts/tech stuff, during your gap year, see what the possibilities are of doing an apprenticeship with the film production union (for me, its IATSE). or production assistant (Director's Guild) There may be a spot for a sound apprentice/assistant. It would give you a taste / idea if that's a field you might like (film crosses over into to TV, events, resident tech etc. ) and instead of spending money, you'd be making it and meeting industry people.
i was thinking about doing work experience in music therapy or something, just helping out and seeing what it’s about, so that’s an interesting point, thanks :)
I thought for a while I might want a music degree because I've done it all my life and still enjoy it, but realistically that experience hasn't been anything that has or will lead to solid income for me.
I don't know if this might be possible for you, but I dual-majored and had music composition as one of those. I enjoyed it because I got to take my composition classes and more in-depth music major courses, but still got a degree that I used to get my current job that is more for paying bills and supporting myself.
I don't think you should abandon music by any means--But you can still pursue it on the side and develop without banking everything on it. I grew up with connections in the music industry, and even with those I still don't think I'd be able to get a well-paying, liveable job. I still take lessons, compose, and perform in my free time, and I'm kind of glad I didn't turn a hobby into a career, since a lot of people I know who have done so have ended up hating their hobby/career because of it.
I realized I should add, I'm a recent college grad in the US. The job market is still nasty right now, and I totally get all the considerations that need to be made with everything.
i’m in the uk, and i think the job market is at least a bit better here, but maybe i’m wrong. i’m not entirely sure id want to necessarily perform or play, im more interested in the production side, but a lot of the women on here have said that turning a hobby into a job can be super shitty, so i really need to keep that in mind. thanks for you advice :)
So most people I know who studied performance arts or music end up doing a lot of teaching to supplement their earnings while trying to make it as a musician or a performer. Often after school music lessons for kids, or running holiday courses for kids.
So an actual teaching degree might be an option - or doing music now, then a 1-year PGCE - because full-time working as a teacher isn't a bad career, plus you get the longer holidays (particularly in private schools). There are also opportunities to teach overseas etc.
Working for the police you'd probably have less holiday time to pursue music on the side but it's also a very good career.
I believe a formal/traditional music degree can be quite well-regarded generally but you'd need to look into it. Some more performance arts related degrees aren't so well-regarded but it depends what you want to do long term.
Another option at the end of a degree is the one-year law conversion course which effectively gives you a law degree. You might even find there are interesting opportunities in music-related law, eg copyright.
the idea of teaching music sounds really interesting, but i don’t think there’s much need for music teachers in secondary schools.
the point about the law degree is super interesting, definitely something i should look at :) i know people who’ve switched to do law from lots of different things, so thanks for reminding me of it! :)
If you’re torn between subjects maybe look into dual honours degrees? I did one for part of my time at university and appreciated the diversity!
i had a look but the grades you need are super high and would require me doing another alevel in my gap year. i’m not opposed to it, but it’d be a lot of work to do in six months
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I agree on that. I think having a stable job that allows creative pusuits is a much easier path than trying to find ways to make your creativite job give you enough money to pay the bills.
I'm in my 30s going back to school and these comments are helping me as well. Thank you for your post.