My boyfriend and I haven't had our sexual debut yet. We love each other very much, which is why we consulted with a sexologist. However, my boyfriend indicated that he had heard what the sexologist said before. He is interested in BDSM. He has even indicated that he is attracted to female domination. But the reality is that I am not attracted to it.
Femdom continues to be a reflection of male sexuality. Because my partner only cares about his fetishes and doesn't care about my sexual desires. I don't want to be cruel to him since he is inexperienced and has never had a girlfriend. But he is super boring, and neither of us know how to satisfy each other sexually. That's why I have tried seeking help from a sexologist.
And the truth is, I am not even interested in sex anymore. I have no interest in having my first sexual debut with any man. Men do not know how to please women, nor are they interested in learning how to please a woman. Because my boyfriend expects me to teach him, and I feel like he is putting a huge burden on me. He stated that he is interested to learn how to please me. But I don't know anything about sex.
I'm not like the porn actresses he sees. I'm not experienced in sex. I'm tired of trying. I don't understand how, in this century where sex is talked about more openly, there are still people like me and my partner who don't know how to have sex. I also don't understand why most men aren't interested in pleasing women.
I don't understand why men demand more than just being their servants. They also expect us to be porn actresses in sex when they don't even know how to sexually stimulate women. I'm tired of watching videos or articles on how to please my partner. I've tried to teach him how to stimulate me, but he's horrible at it. My sexual desire is gone. I don't know what else to do.
I only focus on the romantic and emotional aspects of my relationship. Because my sex life, aside from not having experienced much, is very boring and unsatisfying. I only masturbate occasionally. That's the only way I'm satisfied. (Btw is not that I am desperate to have sex with every man I cross with in the streets. I just want intimacy only with my boyfriend).
Why are you with him? He's boring and he wants to do things you don't want to do. He's not romantic and into fetishes. Why are you with him?
Taking this to a sexologist seems completely over the top to me. Why? Just break up. Frankly, I find your story a bit bizarre. I don't understand why you want to be in a relationship with this man.
My first thought was "what the hell is there to love about him?"
He's boring and pornsick. He's only interested in his fetishes. There's nothing there to suggest he even sees OP as human. Absolutely nothing to love about this man.
I hope OP takes the money she would spend on a sexologist to see a therapist, instead. I suspect low self esteem and other issues.
Same, and I don't trust the "sexologist". Most of those seem geared towards coercing the woman into wanting to enjoy having sex when she doesn't want to, and coercing women into "experimenting" with shit to "spice up your sex life" eg bondage and bdsm and orgies. No. Hard no.
Stop wasting money on the sexologist, nothing is wrong with you, it's men and the sex-obsessed society we live in.
And the truth is, I am not even interested in sex anymore. I have no interest in having my first sexual debut with any man.
Are you even attracted to your boyfriend?
You sound rather unenthusiastic. Once upon a time, I assumed sexual attraction was a given, but over time, I have heard of so many women who just are with a man because they want to have a man in their life, and the guy was available, not because they're in love or at least lust.
So, I gotta ask.
I've tried to teach him how to stimulate me, but he's horrible at it.
I'm confused - did you have sex, or didn't you?
All in all, I have to agree with what others here said - it seems the best solution would be to break up.
DUMP HIM!! For the love of God run for the hills. Throw this one back out sis, he's not the one.
I stopped reading at BDSM
Run. Run. Don't subject yourself to this. If he can't be interested in you without wanting to harm you or himself, this isn't healthy. Find a partner that isn't pornsick.
Also, outside of him - regarding experience in sex. Take the time on your own to experiment with what you like, and what feels good, at your own pace and privacy. There's no pressure of needing to please another partner, of worrying if they're bored waiting for you, and you get to find out what you like and what isn't okay. Not interested in sex? That's fine. Only want "boring vanilla"? What's wrong with that if it gets the job done.
You shouldn't ever feel pressured to do something you don't want to do, especially if you don't enjoy it.
Bluntly: you two aren't compatible. And it would be wise to end this gracefully and civilly before things get complicated and potentially dangerous.
If you manage to end it earlier rather than later, the chances are higher that you could remain good friends if he's someone you otherwise love and value.
The alternatives are a deeply unsatisfying sexual relationship for one or both of you, or opening up your relationship so he can get the BDSM stuff elsewhere.
I don't understand if 'my boyfriend and I haven't had our sexual debut yet' means that neither of you have had sex before or you have not had sex with each other?
It is very normal that a woman who is being pressured into sex acts that make her uncomfortable by a man who has no interest in her sexual pleasure will be turned off the idea of sex. Why would you be interested in something that gives you no pleasure? If you met someone else who was interested in resiprical sexual enjoyment you would be more interested in sex.
Unfortunately there are nieve people that think having a kink is some kind of identity that needs to be respected and indulged by other people. It isn't and you don't have to. It makes even less sence for him to be so attached to BDSM when he has little or no experience of sex.
It sounds like you would be happier if you were either single or with someone else you were sexually compatable with. Maybe a man who doesn't think that porn is a mandatory script for what couples should do in the bedroom. Based on what you have said, it seems doubtful if this relationship is really worth the effort.
Both have never had sex before with anyone.
Then his fixation on BDSM is especially bizarre. It seems like these sex related worries are taking a lot of time and energy from you while also causing you a lot of dread, anxiety and resentment before you have even started a sexual relationship. Trust your instincts, if you feel put off sex and the communication and compatability are this bad at this early stage with no signs that he wants to improve, I'm sorry to say things it probably won't get better. It is possible to have romantic and platonic feelings for someone you are not sexually compatible with.
Breakups are hard but staying in a relationship that makes you unhappy is hard too. There is no rush to have sex. It's better to have it when you feel ready with someone you genuinely and enthusiasticly want to have sex with.
It's absolutely porn sickness, OP will end up being what he uses to act out the things he's seen in porn. Rather then someone he loves, engaging in sex together as a couple, with emotions. He's already seen the worst of it all imo.
Clearly it is porn sickness but it still doesn't make any sense to push for specific sexual acts while having literally zero sexual experience. It's a huge red flag already to be more stimated by BDSM porn than stimulated by his own girlfriends sexual pleasure.
Porn is not much better than poison.
It is probably better not to be in this relationship. You could try to avoid sex and continue the relationship, but the vast majority of people will not tolerate this and will begin to pressure you/threaten abandonment. The heartache headed your way is not worth it if you are not willing to satisfy his fetishes.
You could also try telling him “no” and seeing where that goes. Some men will hear no and respect it, but the vast majority won’t.
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Run. This is not going anywhere good. He will resent you for not wanting to cater to him and guessing his needs. eta: He needs to pay for a dom, he wants free sex work from you.
Are you implying he should go buy a woman?
Imho, he should stop watching porn and try to develop a healthy sexuality.
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Yes its sex work but they are at least getting paid to interact with these guys.
There's no such thing as "sex work". There is no "at least". It is paid rape and coerced sexual assault and harrassment. The woman would not be doing this willingly if she wasn't paid for it.
"Yeah I have to touch a man's dick and get him off and the entire thing repulses me because it objectifies me and makes me feel like nothing but an outlet for a man's depravity, but AT LEAST I'm getting paid!"
No. No woman should have to "put up" with jack shit. If she doesn't want to do it, "no" is a whole sentence.
I think you've answered your own question. He bores you. He wants things sexually that you don't want. You feel uncomfortable and pressured to be someone that you aren't.
Your discomfort with the situation is telling you something that you should pay attention to. Breakups are really hard, but maybe it's time to let go; you clearly want different things from a relationship.
Why stay with him? He has at least one fetish of hurting you. That’s a red flag. He doesn’t satisfy you and he’s boring. Another red flag.
Sometimes in relationships we go through patches where we don’t have sex as much, but there’s still (or should) intimacy.
I do agree lots of men aren’t good in the bedroom and have no desire to learn. But you shouldn’t HAVE to be the one to teach him.
I personally wouldn’t be with a guy who watches porn or has fetishes that will harm you.
If it were me, I’d just break up.
I would have run at the first mention of BDSM. Even if he's the one wanting to be hurt, he obviously has a very unhealthy view of sexuality.
This boyfriend will likely never be able to have truly intimate sex. I massively regret any time spent in relationships with men with any longterm porn consumption (and the fetishes/kinks they inevitably inspire).
I would honestly only give him a chance to learn how truly messed up the porn industry is. Most people don't know that the porn industry is not separate from human trafficking at all and the BDSM videos he has been watching have most likely been drugged up/minors/human trafficking victims that are being abused to satisfy porn watchers like him.
There are people who genuinely don't know that they have been watching recorded rapes but once they do learn there is an actual victim suffering and this is a huge human rights violations turning them on- they stop. It's like, how can you continue? It's just training your body to see actual pain suffered by victims as something to be attracted to.
But there are also plenty of men who learn and either put their head in the sand, like it MORE because of it, or don't care and won't stop. Any man who doesn't stop when knowing it, is a man who doesn't even care that children and women are being trafficked and raped for his arousal- and will always be a man who not even close to capable of caring about women or will ever make a woman really orgasm.
Also check out this site: https://fightthenewdrug.org/how-porn-negatively-impact-relationship/
The bottom line is that sex between two inexperienced lovers is going to be clumsy and awkward at best. That's fine and normal—neither of you should expect to act experienced when you have none. Practice and teaching your partner how to please you can be a loving, bonding experience together. But you both need to want to do that, and it doesn't seem like you're willing or ready to try (and that's okay, too). Just listen to your heart on this because nobody here on Ovarit or anywhere else knows your situation better than you do. Don't let yourself get pressured into anything you don't want to do.
I have 0 experience so I'm just wondering, is it really that hard to teach a guy how to pleasure you? OP says she masturbates so she should be able to know what makes her orgasm. In my... very naive... idea, if you know what gets you off you should be able to have someone easily do that for you, right? Is the problem that he isn't interested in her pleasure?
I'm also raising my eyebrow on OP saying that him expecting her to teach him is a "huge burden" Is that not how it's supposed to be? How else is he supposed to know?
is it really that hard to teach a guy how to pleasure you?
The man needs to genuinely willing to learn, and the woman needs to be comfortable telling him what to do. If those conditions are met, then it will eventually lead to some great sex, but it takes practice, experience, and some awkward moments to get there.
I'm also raising my eyebrow on OP saying that him expecting her to teach him is a "huge burden" Is that not how it's supposed to be? How else is he supposed to know?
I agree that it's unrealistic to expect a man with no experience to know what he's doing. I also suspect that OP is putting similar unrealistic expectations on herself. Inexperienced sex isn't going to look like porn or even a spicy R-rated movie scene because, well, you're both inexperienced. That's okay; that's normal. Like I said in my original comment, it can be a very loving experience trying to figure it out together, but both parties need to have that mindset, and OP doesn't seem ready or willing (and that's okay, too).
Okay I've decided to share my contrarian hot take because I see too many comments here written by people who saw the word BDSM and their eyes glazed over in rage and didn't actually read what you said. Which is of course fair and understandable, but still not right. You deserve to have your entire post be read and considered for your advice. Don't listen to advice from anyone who clearly does not understand your situation even though you explained it to them.
To preface this, it's important to me to say "you should never feel like you have to do something you don't want to sexually" and to remind you (and others) that what you've told us here is only a small part of your relationship. Not just in the "sex isn't everything" way either. How does he treat you generally? Does he help you out, support you, ask if you need help or support because he can tell you're not feeling well? What is it like day-to-day being with him? Do you have any complaints with him outside of this?
So to address just the bit you shared: in my personal experience, a lot of men (and perhaps the only men) who are the rare few who actually care about and love women get sucked into specifically femdom BDSM (which is different from the 99.9% maledom BDSM that almost everyone else seems to have overlooked) because it's the only "counter" to the other awful BDSM narrative. Like I cannot stress enough that literally every man is online watching porn and getting fed kinks and fetishes, and this includes "the good ones." But the good ones do not get into regular BDSM and strangulation and anything physically harmful to women, that repulses good men. But modern society (and male sexuality patterns) tells them they gotta explore fetishes, but all fetishes are male-serving first and last, so the closest kink that's ""nice to women"" (please note the quotes here) is femdom. It absolutely also attracts lazy men who think women should serve them (which is part of why the quotes are there) but, again in my experience, the only good men left are probably into femdom because it's a normalized corruption of their enjoyment of prioritizing pleasing women and there's basically zero porn anywhere that focuses on actual female pleasure. Femdom porn is the closest men can get, and the saddest part is it's not even that close.
He might be bad at pleasing you because he doesn't care about your pleasure, but he might be bad at it because he's never had sex before and has been fed a diet of male-focused porn where women lie-act orgasms over nothing so he has no fucking clue what he should be doing. I'm sure you've told him what he's doing doesn't work for you already. Do you know how to tell him what does? Do you know what pleases you?
(I get that lesbian and bi women sometimes go "but why do you have to ask if he really cares he could figure out how to rub the clit just like we do" but with all due respect you ladies are women lol. of fucking course you know how to rub a clit, you have one! you have experience and practice even if you've never been with a woman yet! men do not. if you wanna be with a man you have to teach him in excruciating detail, and if not, he's only good because some woman somewhere already did that for you. it's an unfortunate double-standard of dicks being extremely easy to please by design--both in a male-sexuality sense and a "it's a huge-ass cylinder there's infinitely more surface area to work with" sense. but there's just no way around it.)
So I also think you should find out what he means by "femdom" exactly. Because again, everything online is pornified and kink-ified to the extreme now. It's actually the same mentality plaguing gendies: if you like wearing pants and you're female you're trans. If you're a guy who likes women-on-top positions and/or doesn't like the idea of taking advantage of women you're into hardcore femdom. There are no neutral or healthy spaces for sex online. Everything and everyone gets corrupted into kink if you go looking, and unfortunately most men do.
I absolutely do not think your first sexual experiences should be kink-based, but that's the thing: maybe he doesn't even want that either. It's a huge mess and the only way to find out is to ask, and ask him. Not a third party, neither online or a sexologist. Ask him.
I'm absolutely not going to recommend you stay with him for the whole "non-aggressive men get put in the femdom pipeline" reason, but neither am I going to say it's a no-brainer "dump him" situation (like is usually the case on most advice forums, here is no different lol). He needs to put forth the same amount of effort you do into finding out how to please you. You're looking up all this shit online about how to make him feel good, what is he doing for you? And keep in mind that, again, female-focused porn, sexual advice, everything is a needle in a haystack. There's a million "how to have sex with men" videos and articles that are actually accurate and basically nothing of the sort for your side, they're all either wrong or hidden in the 1000th page of Google. He's going to have a harder time finding genuinely good stuff like that if he even wants to. Unfortunately and like like everything else, it falls on women themselves to fix this problem.
He should be asking you anyway though, I need to emphasize that. He can be a clueless doofus for sure, but if he cares about you he won't just copy-paste what the Internet told him onto you but he'd actually ask you if he's doing it right. Does he talk to you about all this, does he ask you if he's pleasuring you properly?
I think you should ask yourself the questions I posed, think about what you want out of this relationship and what makes you happy, and come to your own decision based on everything you know about him and yourself that we don't.
too many comments here written by people who saw the word BDSM and their eyes glazed over in rage and didn't actually read what you said
Meanwhile you realize you're making excuses for this pornsick man, right? You're basically saying "it's not his fault he grew up in a pornsick world, the woman needs to teach him stuff that no other woman needs to be taught in order to fully see her as human, too." It isn't women's fault men are this depraved either, and incapable of seeing how awful they're being to us until we point it out to them.
But the good ones do not get into regular BDSM and strangulation and anything physically harmful to women, that repulses good men.
The "good ones" don't get into porn at all. Femdom being "nice for women" or not. Guys shouldn't even know what the fuck "femdom" is if they don't keep looking into it.
the only good men left are probably into femdom because it's a normalized corruption of their enjoyment of prioritizing pleasing women and there's basically zero porn anywhere that focuses on actual female pleasure.
The solution to this isn't to suggest to get into another category of porn. Do you know what porn is. A "female-based porn" would still involve an exploited woman.
he might be bad at it because he's never had sex before and has been fed a diet of male-focused porn where women lie-act orgasms over nothing so he has no fucking clue what he should be doing
Why is it on OP to have to guide him on how to please her? Why is it on OP to have to explain to him that watching other women being objectified via paid rape is bad?
She's already said she's tired of finding out how to please him. There are millions of articles on how to suck dick and what position feels best for the man, he can take the time to research how to please a woman. There are just as many articles available online for that that aren't written by men.
He's going to have a harder time finding genuinely good stuff like that if he even wants to.
Not her problem. We know men will do absolutely everything they can if they really want something. If women can read up about how to make themselves feel good without watching porn, then men sure as hell can, too.
Unfortunately and like like everything else, it falls on women themselves to fix this problem.
No it doesn't. She doesn't need to spend time fixing a problem that isn't hers.
He can be a clueless doofus for sure
Don't cutesify this behavior. He watches porn, he's admitted he sees women as sexual objects, OP has posted about his incel ways of thinking. Stop making excuses for men.
As an older woman, this is very worrisome. I know I'm from a different generation but for a boyfriend to present a dangerous fetish as his desired first experience is a huge red flag. Find someone who cherishes you and wants an emotional connection vs. a porn experience.
This. Why is he sexually aroused by the idea of harming you? RUN.