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Shockingly and happily the comments are full of sanity. I thought I was on Ovarit for a hot second. More evidence of a turning tide?
I think most people are kind of done, honestly.
I was on a parenting subreddit recently where people sounded exasperated with their kids' identities and pronouns and whatnot. The majority actually went for "it's a stage, limit the internet, get the kid some hobbies, sign her up for sports". I was pleasantly surprised.
I lurk on an infamous mom sub full of libfems, and there was woman who posted recently about her non-binary 13 year old who was also a self identified “Therian” (trans species, basically) who thought she was an owl. Real cringe stuff, like training to be on all fours, etc. etc. I would link it, but I’m trying to avoid doing that on here. The title of the post was something like “My kid is the weird kid I would have bullied in school” or something.
Anyway, there were a few commenters, including the OP herself that posited that the the non-binary stuff was a phase, which surprised me. Of course you have a couple admonishing the OP for not respecting her daughter’s real and true identity (while in the same breath calling the therian crap a phase)
I know I'm missing the point entirely but she's not even trans-specieing correctly if she thinks an owl moves about on all-fours.
Apparently there were lots of issues at play
Being a total dumbass was the main one lol
Is therian like... furry?
Not really. Means a person thinks they are literally an animal trapped in a human body. It repurposes a lot of logic that is used by TRAs
It's an "ears and tails" cute thing for most of the kids I see. I have three of them around.
Don't underestimate how the alt-right likes to litter the YT comments section for any video with slightly liberal subject matter, either.
True, but I think too many things are considered alt-right. The majority of people are really burned out.
I mean, look at poor Elliot, here. How do you watch her be interviewed and not feel drained and depressed?
She's supposed to be the gem celebrity of how awesome being a TIF is. At least Buck Angel is chipper and cheerful, but Elliot is just a week of wet Sundays and she can't hide it.
I wonder if Buck Angel has reached out to Elliott. Buck seems pretty on the ball, and also a compassionate person (from what I’ve seen - correct me if I’m wrong). I find Angel’s takes on TRA stuff really great
Buck has a loooooot of problems. But I have seen her be off-the-cuff super kind to people who need it.
They flock to every single piece of media they hate, just to shit talk in the comments. You can't read any comment section in peace because of them.
Its aggravating. Any video with the word "feminist", "woman", "LGBT" and the like I know will be full of them and their dumb ass comments.
I don’t trust YouTube “body language” grifters experts. Maybe there’s some evidence-based version of it out there, but even then I imagine it’s not very useful for gleaning specific information in a vacuum devoid of all context.
That being said… you can clearly see the emotion on her face and hear the anxiety in her voice. She was depressed before her transition (by her own admission) and still has all the same mannerisms after becoming Elliot. Nothing has changed. Nothing has been fixed. She is in serious denial and running away from herself. None of her problems will go away until she processes what was done to her. She’s blaming her unhappiness on being a woman and a lesbian instead of on her abusers.
She always seems depressed. I wonder if she was groomed on Tales of the City. She seemed depressed on that show, and she was surrounded by transvestites who may have influenced her.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen her come off as genuinely happy, at least not in the last several years. At best, she was able to cope a little better than she is currently. Everything post-transition makes it seem like she’s barely holding on by a thread. It’s scary.
I’d be interested to see a timeline of public appearances and interviews throughout her career and see what the trajectory looks like.
I liked this analogy: It's almost like having trans surgery is the most extreme form of "cutting" that you see happen with depressed teens. She wasn't happy with life so she mutilated herself as a punishment or something.
I am reminded of what we read all the time; suicide is MORE likely AFTER full transition, bc the promise that transitioning will solve all your problems is revealed to be the snake oil it is.
Most comments sections would look like Ovarit if the big tech overlords didn't censor GC speech. Reddit is only a TRA hugbox because they have countless AGP basement dwellers who literally spend their entire lives reporting "transphobic" comments
I’ve actually seen a few of those videos and find them interesting. Though I must say you don’t need to understand much about body language to see the awful state of her. That poor woman’s pain pours from her so freely, I’m disgusted when men-in-makeup try to chime in about how happy and herself she looks now. If you look at that face and see joy, your empathy bar is broken. Will definitely still watch the video tho, thanks for the share!
There's a group of internet famous body language experts who "analysed" the Gabby Petito video and surmised that she was the abusive one. I think they deleted it after her body was found. So I don't really trust these body language dudes.
I remember the videos slandering Petito. I'm still angry that so many of them got away with it. If Petito had survived, they'd still be claiming that she's the villain because she cried "White Girl Tears" to the cops
Right. Like the cops even help, it's deluded people think women's tears have ever saved us. Men actively enjoy seeing us in pain. The cops were as guilty as Brian and his family to me. Fuck them.
But omg women are allowed to cry with no judgement!! Men are the ones who aren't allowed to show any emotions...except anger, jealousy, rage, impatience and lust
And subsequently outed themselves as abusers. Whether it was for clicks or a true opinion, all of them showed just how depraved they were.
I don't know if we should trust a body language expert, but we just have to look at Ellen's eyes. Pure agony and sorrow.
Right, these are the same experts that cashed in one the Depp/Heard trial. They constantly make up so much bs.
But frankly she nuked her life, unless you have no empathy whatsoever it's obvious to see she's in pain. Probably physically too, she did all her surgeries one after the other. She had her first one right after a psychotic break ffs.
All I need to know is that she grew up in Hollywood as a child star and a closeted lesbian prior to Me Too.
Hollywood is Mount Heterosexuality, so naturally, a lesbian doesn't fit. Sad she couldn't get out of it in perspective and life experience. And come out stronger. She had to change herself. Sad.
Right, these are the same experts that cashed in one the Depp/Heard trial. They constantly make up so much bs.
Ugh. Those videos littered my feed when that trial was going on. They're such bullshit. The "expert" just grasps at straws to justify their pre-existing bias.
"OMG! Amber Heard twitched her nose!! That proves that she's an abusive narcissist who tried to chop poor Johnny's hand off!!!"
Yeah those people are grifters, but I think anyone can look at Page and see that’s she having a hard time. She just looks awful, too. And I’m saying that with the statement that plenty of TIFs manage to not look as miserable as she does, but she looks hollowed out.
Let's face it.
Page is on suicide watch.
I hate body language "experts". Why people keep falling for these snake oils salesman I don't know.
But yeah, Page is a tragedy. I genuinely feel sorry for her. Can't even criticize her, she's just very publically destroying her life and I doubt it ends with her surviving.
She is clearly in physical pain, although this guy never says it. I don't know how much surgery she's had, but those scrunched eye expressions say physical pain, imo.
I very much believe one of her nipples rotted off after pictures where it didn't look good and then pictures strategically hiding said nip for months afterwards, followed by no more topless "trans joy". Wonder what else could have gone wrong
Her mannerisms remind me so much of Kate Mckinnon doing a Justin Bieber impression on SNL.
TIPs never get this. They don’t understand that even in the rare circumstance they “pass”, there’s so many both obvious and subtle mannerisms that just cannot be replicated without seeming like an impression. Without being stereotypically feminine, Ellen’s body language is still so clearly female.
Without being stereotypically feminine, Ellen’s body language is still so clearly female.
Same with Dylan Mulvaney. Pre-trans, he came off as the stereotypical, twinky, effeminate, gay theater kid. Post-transition, his masculine physical characteristics and mannerisms are just more painfully obvious than ever before.
Yep, Blaire White too. He acts like a gay man and doesn’t realize that’s not the same thing as a woman.
It really isn't. Gay men aren't just women with dicks.
Accurate. She reminds me so much of my teenage daughters and their friends pretending (badly) to be boys in silly skits and the like.
I cannot imagine anyone looking more like an unhappy woman or less like a thriving man.
Thanks for the recommendation. Gosh, that face she makes that he shows at the end... Just utter grief and mourning, like she's about to start sobbing at any moment. She may be feeling physically unwell, too. She looks like my toddler when he gets a fever -- empty, exhausted, pained expression.
I really wish her all the best.
She must be in physical pain. She had numerous surgeries one after the other. The testosterone is clearly wrecking her. Her crackling voice makes me think her throat is hurting. And she clearly isn't eating well
She was just depressed before. But now she's depressed AND in physical pain from a carved up body
AND she knows she's stuck living a lie she can't disavow without severe consequences. She's the face of the TIF "movement". She announced her transition the same day of the Keira Bell decision just to boot it from the news cycle. At best, her "friends" will excise her like she's the second coming of Nikolai Yezhov.
Ironically, The Poisoned Dwarf is one of the few men she could convincingly portray.
Yes she did announce 'being trans' on the same day of Keira Bell decision - I really wonder about that coincidence.
When it happened it immediately reminded me of University of Missouri's Michael Sam timing his coming-out announcement to conveniently knock an appalling Missouri Football rape scandal out of the news cycle.
I don't think it was deliberate on her part, but she's definitely being used as a mouth piece and was probably urged to make that move. TRAs definitely play chess with their scared martyrs. Page had a psychotic break, she was punching herself in the face, called the therapist and they booked her mastectomy like a week later. Very strange predatory transing of a high profile lesbian. I always thought she was groomed by the people around her. And she's still alone.
I believe it was deliberate on her part and would have been rationalised, true zealous believer that she is.
Do we know which surgeries she's had besides a mastectomy? She's obviously had surgery on her abs.
She reminds me of my brother when his leukemia reached stage 4.
I am so sorry that happened to your family. 😔
Not to be a downer, but his content (headlines, haven't seen his videos aside from the Page one) looks like something I'd see on r/conservative. I wouldn't be shocked if his audience is more right or libertarian leaning. But maybe I'm missing some nuance that can be found in his actual videos 🤷♀️
It probably is, this type of constant feeds into certain algorithms. Alright content and raven bait content get pushed to the top, so do Mormon and financial content, simply because banks and the Mormon church pay more money in Adsense to these creators. A lot of shit goes on behind the scenes that we never see. But things are far less organic then you'd think.
YouTube’s algorithm has been trying to steer me conservative since I started thumbs-downing breadtube content, so I don’t think you’re wrong. 😂 His subs and commenters are probably at least right-leaning. I’ll have to watch more of his videos to form an opinion on whether or not his content is partisan, but he appears to have at least a few unflattering Trump videos, so that’s encouraging.
Isn't the YT algorithm something else? Just because I block a TRA channel doesn't mean I'd prefer watching video essays about how women ruined a scrote's favorite video game, or whatever. YTs flavor is leftwing misogyny or rightwing misogyny 🙄
All I watch is outdoor survival stories and plane crash investigations and it autoplayed Tucker Carlson. Its amazing free advertising for the alt right, pretty fucked up.
yeah i get way too TRAs in my feed. There was some woman bashing Rowling i was recommended earlier today. Yes, her female characters are not perfect. Anyone these days can be a pseudo youtube literary critic, but they could not write any better.
I'm imagining this "criticism" towards JKR's female characters is regarding Harry Potter? I never read any HP books so can't comment on those, but her other books have really good ones. Least in my opinion.
It's borderline hilarious that years and years after the last Potter book's publication day, they suddenly find these novel critiques to throw at her lol. They're so salty.
Think a ton of them are still kind of obsessed with the fantasy world she created (some to a pretty unhealthy degree for adults), are angry that her opposition to them tarnished it for them, and are still petulantly trying to sour grapes it entirely, for everyone, to the point where they stop feeling left out when other people who aren't subscribed to their miserable ideology just get to keep being excited about and enjoying the things she makes. Because they miss it, and all of the disclaimers fandoms put out denouncing and tearing her down, and all of the TRA fans pretending someone else wrote it, aren't enough to turn it back into their comfortable hugbox again.
Saw this mindset come out in a big way when Hogwarts Legacy was released; they wanted so badly to ruin it for everyone, for it to be awful, so their ideology wasn't costing them something worth having.
My TRA friends acting like total animals when Hogwarts Legacy came out was what finally peaked me. I couldn't believe the behavior I was seeing not just from them, but from anyone online. There were legitimately posts I saw that said along the lines of "I actually am better than people who want to play a blood libel video game" and oh my god the amount of spoilers people were throwing around, everywhere, even on posts that had nothing to do with Hogwarts Legacy.
Hell, my TRA friend made a big show of when she finally got rid of her Harry Potter books (though she did donate them rather than outright trash them as I've seen others do, so slight credit there). It's like she was mourning the loss of childhood or something.
There were legitimately posts I saw that said along the lines of "I actually am better than people who want to play a blood libel video game"
You know what grinds my gears? The same people accusing Rowling of "blood libel" are the ones currently simping for Hamas and justifying the mass rape/murder of Israelis and Jews
What's this "blood libel" thing then? Don't want to end up in a(nother) rabbit hole tonight, I should be asleep already lol.
Its a term generally used to describe horrific lies used to demonize a group of people. It's typically used when discussing antisemitism because the term "blood libel" comes from the conspiracy theory that Jews use the blood of non-Jewish children to make matzo
Think for a ton of people who identify as special, this was the moment they essentially fully realized their Hogwarts acceptance letters are never coming. And they look on people getting to just have fun immersing themselves into the whole thing with all the bitterness of a squib. Being left out, being not invited to the party. Which ends up triggering quite a lot of narcissistic rage from people who identify as special.
It's like she was mourning the loss of childhood or something.
I'm sure she was. It kind of gives me a little glimmer of hope that maybe JKR being "bad mommy" to these people gives them a nudge to grow the fuck up.
Its wild how all these people who were previously OBSESSED with Harry Potter didn't notice all the alleged racism and antisemitism in the books until after they started hating Rowling for being a feminist
It's interesting because whenever you see those clickbaity titles and faces it's because the algorithm pushes for faces that are in pain, angry, shocked etc. as well as general rage bait content.
The click bait faces in the thumbnails are so cringe. There's one female Youtuber i generally like. But I can't take her completely seriously because she looks like Kevin McCallister in all of her damn thumbnails 🤣
Have you seen the right wing man baby ones. They use AI art now to generate the angry faces. One dude made an angry George Lucas plus a bunch of other shit. It's gotten so pathetic.
Those pop up in my feed, too. They look so goofy i don't know how they expect anyone to take them seriously
YouTube search has become a nightmare. I can't see anything beyond these types of videos. God the rage bait of it all.
IVE SEEN THIS! And I feel like I can tell now whether a video or ad is wholesale AI (I think) - it seems much more common
The video is whatever will get them those sweet sweet right winger views. It actually does pay. Crazy how many times you see a moderate or even liberal YouTuber just turn progressively more MRA or rightwing. That's where the money is though, so who cares about truth or decency.
They do that to me whenever I watch feminist or GC content. I just open the videos in an incognito tab so it doesn't affect my finely tuned YouTube eco system lol. I've got that down to an art, only see what I want to, and thanks to my Adblock, no ads.
I watched a few of his videos back around the Gabby Petito time. This creator's take on her body language and her behaviour in the police videos was that she was being abused and her murderer was the one abusing her, so I watched more of his content.
He has some nuance for certain videos. I felt I did get some insight into what body language can tell us. I remember he emphasised that watching someone for some time and understanding their typical mannerisms will give more insight into their behaviour when under pressure. However, whatever legitimate insights this field can provide are lost when all your source material is from organised interviews, paparazzi photos, and short video clips.
The channel is a business and certain public figures generate clicks, so I was disenchanted after watching a few too many Royal Family videos that had a clear bias. According to other comments, he was on the Amber Heard hate rain too. So while he might have had some merit at the beginning of his channel, it's probably more about money and clicks now.
This guy kind of sucks (he's obsessed with Maghan Markle for some reason) but it doesn't take a genius to see that Page is miserable.
It's something I've seen a few people comment on briefly on social media. In all her interviews post-transition she simply conveys a deep sadness. I haven't ever seen such universal unanimous repudiation of gender mania in a comments section that isn't Ovarit before, hopefully it's a positive sign of things to come.
I understand that you’re more referring to the comments here, but I just want to point out that all those body language channels are completely pseudoscientific bullshit.
Yes, body language exists, and I suppose yes you could deduce certain things about a person and their responses with it, but some yahoo with a YouTube channel telling you things like “Oh his left finger twitched, that means he’s trying to hush himself and has many secrets” is laughable.
Definitely didn't expect those kinds of comments on YT. But yeah - her misery is there for everyone to see. TRAs will want to spin this in the most imaginative ways for sure, but that won't change anything. Not really.
Just a terribly sad thing overall. However, I'd be more empathetic if she didn't actively promote "transition" to other confused, mentally unwell, possibly lesbian girls and women. That I find unforgivable.
I'm sure I've seen articles about how "body language" has been thoroughly debunked beyond very basic "they are angry/sad" etc.
Is it just me or does she have the same nervous twitch as Jazz Jennings?
From the Googles
Tardive dyskinesia (TD) is a neurological syndrome that involves involuntary (out of your control) movements. Taking antipsychotic (neuroleptic) medications is the main cause of this condition. But other medications can cause it as well.
We know Jazz had some sort of horrible mental health episode at Harvard and that Ms. Page has suffered a psychotic event.
Do you have a link?
Sorry, but this guy has 22 videos pushing the "Amber Herd is a conniving evil bitch" narrative, which immediately sets off my b.s. alarm.
Most "body language experts" have 5,000 videos about how Amber Heard is a "narcissistic, evil, abusive bitch". Its how most of those fraudsters gained a fanbase
It was a real barometer for sexism!
"OMG Amber Heard scrunched her nose and fiddled with the collar of her shirt!! That is the telltale body language of a narcissistic abuser!!"
It was like “she didn’t have enough evidence” or “she had so much evidence that she’s a psychotic long-game fatal attraction bitch”
There was NO WINNING. Men were showing their asses!
And omg even THINKING about Bean-Toof Depp and his stupid hair and his dumb jokes makes me SO MAD. The double standards were bonkers. BONKERS!
/rant over
I tried fiddling with my collar and scrunching my nose at my husband. He still won't obey me or admit that 'I'm always right. I need to ask one of these bosy language scrotes what im doing wrong
Maybe it only works on some entitled prick who has been an adult four times longer than I have, as in the case of Poor Manipulated Johnny
Ugh, I didn’t scroll that far. What a disappointment. 😔
Lol called it.