Yes this is the “womanhood as defective maleness” construct.

And what's the fallback option for their female counterparts who might be similarly "defacto excluded" from playing on girls' teams? I was a fat middle schooler and no one wanted me playing on their team. Males in female sports will make it even more difficult for the typically excluded girls to be chosen.

Idiot.

So, it's okay then to push out the middle range average ability girls and the smaller, lower-average ability girls so the worst of the worst boys can play and feel good about themselves?

THIS was the EXACT argument a very smart friend of mine made. She has degrees up the wazoo and can debate most people under the table on a range of topics. Outside this topic, she is certainly a feminist. But wtaf is wrong when people like her can't figure out how they are, to quote another Ovarette, bending the knee to men while throwing girls under the bus?

I got sexually harassed by an autistic foot fetishist at my school a few months ago.

When I went to report it, apparently this weirdo had been reported because the DEI department had asked a female student to "keep him company", because the autistic kid claimed to be afraid of men and liked women better. Obviously the demented freak ended up stalking her and following her into a bathroom at one point.

I was so sickened at how he had been essentially assigned an emotional support female, and after being creepy to several young women, they expected me to be understanding of his "condition".

Maybe the boys need to work on being more "inclusive".

Why aren't boys and men labelled exclusive, transphobic, bigoted, etc when women are called these things for the same reason?

You know what, I’m finally convinced. Trans girls truly aren’t like every other man.

They’re even MORE entitled and convinced of their own superiority and right to perks and privileges at the expense of women and girls.

[Warning: This is gonna be long bc I'm a Sports Mom of a boy who isn't great at sports.]

Too fucking bad. These teams aren't just run by roving gangs of little kids. If bullying is happening on boys teams, the adults need to intervene and work it out. Also, this situation is in no way unique to boys🙄 Girls can have the same issues.

My son has been involved in multiple sports since he was 5. He is now 8. These teams come in all types: most teach basic skills and everyone gets a chance to play. Some go by Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced and you pick the team that matches your kids skill level. As they get older, things get more competitive and guess what, not everybody can play on every team. That's life, fucking deal with it. The solution is not to coddle little boys and stick them with the girls. The girls team is just as valid and important as the boys team and shouldn't be used as a catchall for little kids who suck at sports.

It's your job as a parent to get your kid involved in something they enjoy so they can grow and learn new skills and have fun. Sports ain't for everybody. My kid has fun, but isn't particularly athletic. By the time he's 11 or 12, he probably won't make all the teams he goes out for. We'll practice, he'll try his best and what happens, happens. I won't be putting him on the fucking girls team just bc he's not very good. How is that fair to the girls? They work hard too. They train, too. They compete for spots, too.

TL;DR: life ain't fair, shut the fuck up you misogynist piece of shit

Note that sport is aKsHulLy about inclusion and belonging, rather than excellence, only when its being used to force girls and women to babysit mentally ill males.

It's ok if Lia Thomas swims on the women's team because it's really important to him to "stay competitive," but heaven help us if Riley Gaines points out how unfair that is.

Sounds like a fucking boys problem. Boys need to work their shit out instead of tossing the boys who feel they don’t fit in for the girls to deal with

Calls to mind that pretty consistently when women/girls make up/have about 30% of something and men/boys make up/have about 70%, a ton of people, especially men, seem to estimate that's when things are 'going too far' and women are 'taking over.' Estimating that things are 'about equal' seems to kick in for many at about the 10% mark. So I have no doubt that there are plenty of people who would think it was perfectly fair for boys to fill 100% of the spaces in male sports and 40% to 80% of the spaces in female sports; that as long as there are still token girls on the bench, it's 'equal.'

Should I demand a spot in the Paralympic Games, even though I'm able bodied, since I'm not good enough to play with my group?

It's never just one girl they replace, it's a trickle down effect so the young woman who didn't get the college scholarship now plays B squad. The woman who just missed the B squad plays intramural. The woman who just missed the intramural team because it's filled, now does nothing. For girls it's even worse, the girl who misses the Varsity team now plays JV, the girl who just missed the JV team now plays the B or lower squad, the girl who just missed the freshman team now feels utterly defeated at age 14 and doesn't play any more sports for the rest of her life and her health and happiness is impacted as a result.

I come from a long line of women who play sports (including my grandmother in the 1920s and 30s!!!) and my daughters and nieces play too. A few of us went on to very competitive leagues, but all of us benefited from the camaraderie, discipline, and very healthy physical activity that carries us through to our older years. I'm very pro-sports and pro-physical activity for women of all abilities because it helps us in many aspects of life.

The fucking TiMs can have all of this too if they so want it as long as they play by the same rules as EVERYONE ELSE: Play by your sex and no doping.

Oh fuck to the no.

The trans movement shows me every day the completely dehumanized way women are actually percieved

Ugh this and your title especially also makes me think of the whole "men with disabilities should be entitled to buy sex with women" claim 🤢.

yes, makes sense, girlhood is obviously just a dumpster into which male children who fail to win sporting competitions against their male peers can-- nay, must be shoveled

If you suck at sports but enjoy playing, join your local intramural league. Don't colonize the women's team.

I am so sick and tired of how society always expects women and girls to make sacrifices for everyone else. "You are too crap to get anywhere in men's sports?That's ok you can just say you are a woman and steal one of their scholarships and titles." "You are an incel because you can't be bothered to treat women as human beings? That's just fine, put on a dress, call yourself a transbian and harass lesbians and call them transphobic if they refuse you." The expectations by TRAs and MRAs of women are exactly the same. They both say "Bow down and shut up" It's time for us to give them all the finger and tell them to F off.

Is she fucking serious!?

Girls sports doesn't exist to be a dumping ground for males who can't make the boys team for whatever reasons. And sport leagues for disabled people already exist

Also, what should girls do if they don't make the girls team due to disability or whatever? Colonize little league teams? Where does it end?

We need to be comfortable telling people that not everything needs to be inclusive to everyone. I'm five feet tall. Being on a basketball team was never an option for me. But you don't see me acting as if I'm oppressed because of it (or demanding to be placed on a kindergarten or wheelchair basketball team so I don't feel dwarfed by other players).

Only entitled men think being told "no" sometimes constitutes oppression

And when you put boys on girl's teams, even healthy athletic girls can't play with other girls their age. I'd say that's pretty shitty too.

Participation only matters for boys.

There are recreational sports you absolute dipshit, not every sport has tryouts and cuts

Women are not disabled men.

Ok

Let’s forget about girls for a second (just kidding, nobody was thinking about them in the first place, obvs)

Anyway this is a terrible idea because the boys will be mocked and bullied even worse if they are ‘so bad’ they are moved over to the girls team.

This won’t help the boys…it will actually just make them feel worse

Why are we constantly the dumping ground for males that the other males don’t want?!

No, we don’t want your cast-offs, men.

So, having a separate league for those boys is somehow not an option? I mean, if they really actually even wanted to play? Because they can be in league together, orrrrr, in no league at all. Is this what they think of women and women's sports?? Just an outlet for "lesser" players to play??

Demented.

ETA: What about the smaller girls, or the girls with disabilities? Do they get another league or is it all the same to them?? I can imagine those girls making their own team and somehow those boys will want access to that, too. All they want is access. Specifically, to places they don't belong!

This post did it, it got me off my ass because now I need to go for a run to get rid of my anger.

Seriously, fuck anyone who says shit like this. Felicia Hart is a MISOGYNIST.