Welcome to another discussion post for Why Does He Do That? Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men by Lundy Bancroft.
In this post, we are discussing Part III, The Abusive Man in the World, Chapter 11 Abusive Men and their Allies.
Share your thoughts on this chapter and overal book section in the comments. (Feel free to also share thoughts and suggestions on the discussion post and bookclub structure itself.)
Anyone who hasn't read the book but wants to give input on the topics discussed are welcome to as well! (I recommend mentioning that you haven't read the chapter in your post, so people are aware of that when replying.)
Previous Discussion Posts
Chapter 1 Discussion — The Nature of Abusive Thinking, The Mystery
Chapter 2 Discussion — The Nature of Abusive Thinking, The Mythology
Chapter 3 Discussion — The Nature of Abusive Thinking, The Abusive Mentality
Chapter 4 and Part I Discussion — The Nature of Abusive Thinking, The Types of Abusive Men
Chapter 5 Discussion — The Abusive Man in Relationships, How Abuse Begins
Chapter 6 Discussion — The Abusive Man in Relationships, The Abusive Man In Everyday Life
Chapter 7 Discussion — The Abusive Man in Relationships, Abusive Men and Sex
Chapter 8 Discussion — The Abusive Man in Relationships, Abusive Men and Addiction
Chapter 9 and Part II Discussion — The Abusive Man in Relationships, The Abusive Man and Breaking Up
Chapter 10 Discussion — The Abusive Man in the World, Abusive Men as Parents
This chapter made me realize how lucky I was. My family and friends all hated my ex. They didn't know the extent of the abuse but they could see he was controlling. Even his own mother would take my side when he was shitty with me in front of his family. I'm sure he trash-talked me to everyone after I left, but at least I didn't have to deal with it when I was going through the abuse.
I'm so glad you got out of that relationship and I'm so happy you had a support network that stayed by your side. Props to his own mother for standing up for you!
I'm sure he trash-talked me to everyone after I left
My mother told me how my dad literally trash-talked her to all their mutual friends and family when she told him she was done being with him. (And he trash-talked her to me too... I was a tween and he could make sure I knew how "selfish" my mom was and painted anything she did badly. Parental alienation.) He sent out a mass email making himself the victim and painting my mom as a villain, and he wanted people to "sign their support for him" for it. When she told me this I couldn't believe his behavior. She said the most hurtful part was that her own mother agreed with him. I feel so bad for what she went through during that time.
This book makes me feel so mad at times. It reminds me of so many painful things women have had to go through, all due to the choices and actions of abusive men. We need more justice. Touching grass isn't enough.
Ugh. I'm so sorry you and your mom went through that.
I find it fascinating how abusers don't realize how ridiculous they are. Sending out a mass email asking people to sign their support for him? WTF.
This book makes me feel angry, too. But it's kind of a consolation to see just how similar abusers are, and how many other women have fallen for this type of guy. I hate that it's so common, but it kind of makes me feel less stupid. There's a point in the next chapter where the author mentions something that was so similar amongst the abusers he worked with (can't remember what it was now) that it seemed his clients all went to the same Abusers Academy. It's so true! It's like they're all cut from the same cookie cutter.
But it's kind of a consolation to see just how similar abusers are, and how many other women have fallen for this type of guy. [...] It's like they're all cut from the same cookie cutter.
I think that's why I like this book, it shows what a "scam" an abusive man is and how "predictable" they are, in a sense. I remember the phrase "once you can name something, you have power over it." Knowledge of abuser's tactics is power.
Now I understand why it's one of those books that's like "every woman needs to read this," because if every woman did read it, abusers would have way less power.
"once you can name something, you have power over it."
YES. I remember the first time someone called my ex a narcissist. That had never occurred to me before. But I had now had a new word to describe him, and that gave me a whole new perspective.
In this chapter, Lundy goes over various types of allies to abusive men, this can be his friends and family, his victim's friends and family, neighbors, judges, therapists, attorneys, and so on.
I like the parts where Lundy is optimistic about how abused women have more ways to protect herself and social stigma around acknowledging abusive men has gone down so her community can help her get out of her abusive relationship.
Reference for anyone who is interested in reading more about trauma-informed therapy.
I appreciate how Lundy emphasizes this point consistently throughout the book. It prevents the reader from falling into an abuser's lull and excusing their abusive behavior.
The following is a quote dump that I was originally going to write more reflections on for my main comment about the chapter, but I forgot to and I'm probably not gonna get around to it anymore at this point. 🫠 But I still want to share the quotes because I think they are good and resonated with me.
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