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WatcherattheGatesNovember 14, 2023

My understanding is that Dworkin was not trans-inclusive, and that her husband (who had his own agenda) made that up after she died.

manycherrycherryNovember 14, 2023(Edited November 14, 2023)

I’ve talked in the past about my brief experience on TIRF (“trans inclusive radical feminist”) Twitter, and most of them fell into one of two categories:

  • Older women or women from non-Western countries who hated what porn, prostitution, and sex-based violence had done but most of the trans-identified people they were familiar with were effeminate homosexuals, so they thought “hey look, they’re treated poorly too- we’re all in this together, right?”
  • TIFs who were beginning to become “purplepilled” so to speak on mainstream gender ideology and realized how much female socialization had effected them, but physically, emotionally, or mentally detransitioning wasn’t an option for them. One person in this category had written a thoughtful post about their experience and what led them to transition, then detransition, and then retransitioned again in a rare display of nuance and genuine emotional intelligence regarding the subject.

So Dworkin would probably fit in the first category. Back in her day her reaction to the 100 or so transsexuals that were around was more of a live and let live “you go guy! err… I mean girl” and probably would have never expected they would claim to literally be biologically female.

WatcherattheGatesNovember 14, 2023

That would be my take, too.

sunshine_punkNovember 14, 2023

I am very angry that Dworkin married that scrote.

manycherrycherryNovember 14, 2023

Genuine question why?

TervenRainbowsNovember 14, 2023

Part of Dworkin’s appeal for Gen Z radfems may well be that she was non-binary, trans-inclusive, and ahead of her time in calling for reforms such as access to gender affirming care. Or, as Gen Z would put it, she wasn’t a TERF (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist), although she was a bit of a SWERF (Sex Worker Exclusionary Radical Feminist).

They are posthumously calling her non-binary now?!

manycherrycherryNovember 14, 2023

I think they mean she was “inclusive of trans and non-binary people”, not that she herself was

TervenRainbowsNovember 15, 2023

Ah, could be. Thanks!

WatcherattheGatesNovember 14, 2023

It is very unclear that Dworkin was trans-inclusive. See this essay:

https://archive.is/RfWxr

TervenRainbowsNovember 23, 2023

Damn! That was a fantastic read!

m0RT_1 [OP]November 14, 2023

This is an interesting article but because it is put out by a university of course there is the obligatory genuflect sentence to the Cult of T buried in there.