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questionHas Anyone Known Your Sexuality Before You Did?
Alternatively: Has anyone known your sexuality without you telling them?
She can apologise all she wants but not one person thinks she is doing so because she has changed her mind about the subject. Abuse and hate don't make people more amenable to a different point of view. Everyone sees her as just another abused woman willing to say anything to stop a beating at the hands of people who claim to love her.
It's heartbreaking. She sounded very much like someone who had been told to bend the knee or suffer the consequences. And why on earth are trans advocates never expected to "learn" or "educate themselves" about women's perspective? They don't have to give a fucking inch. They don't even have to say, "I understand how hard this is for you, given that you've had to struggle with growing up as a girl and I didn't..." They have never had to say that. They have never had to show even a shit-stain's worth of understanding. I actually hate how much I am growing to loathe them. I don't like feeling that way about people.
It's disappointing that Gray's backtracking, but I'm still going to support her unless she goes full "fuck terfs". If we continue to throw our support behind her and other women who speak out (even if they ultimately retreat), maybe they'll retrieve their scruples later on.
I'm streaming her all day. Even though I'm disappointed she backtracked, she came out and said it. A lot of us won't do that within our friend circles and it was really brave of her to do this on a world stage, knowing the mob would come for her. I get why she is doing the PR "woman is a vibe" thing but it still sucks. Regardless, she deserves our support for letting us know she's one of us. Being forced to kowtow by her record label after her statement is probably expected and it doesn't erase her actual stance.
Like...look at how passionately she spoke on Piers and then this interview? She is visibly uncomfortable with what she's saying here.
Definitely. I think it's MORE important to support women like Gray than women like Julie Bindel or JKR or Kathleen Stock. Of course we should support them all, but Gray is more likely to be feeling confused and isolated right now. Even if she isn't, we need to keep the path open for Gray to realise she can speak the truth and we will be there for her. Always leave the door open for other women.
She can equivocate as much as she wants but she literally liked a Tweet saying âreal women arenât this sensitive lmaoâ so like. Maâam. The horse has left the barn. I hate that she felt she had to give this hostage interview.
Honestly scared for her. These men are degenerative and mean. I'm sure they sent her all sorts of horrible things.
It's really disappointing but I think even if she backtracked at least she brought up her concerns. That's still enough to make people think about it.
It just makes JKR even more of a badass to me. Fearless woman, that one.
Well it's also about financial security. JKR created one of the most famous franchises and doesn't have worry about money now, they just can't cancel her. But someone not as successful who's income relies on fame is in real danger of losing EVERYTHING. I'm just saying that Macy would probably not be apologizing if she could afford it.
Yeah..there is no way the vicious tras are going to accept that as an apology. They will say it didn't sound sincere enough. I'm really worried for her..
She probably got death threats and shit. I know if they doxxing JK Rowling they can do it to someone like Macy. The fact that they have to threaten women with violence says it all really. Itâs something men have always done to control us.
Painful to watch. Right out of 1984: interrogation techniques:
'You don't have to take me to that place! Haven't I told you everything already? What else is it you want to know? There's nothing I wouldn't confess, nothing! Just tell me what it is and I'll confess it straight off. Write it down and I'll sign it - anything! Not room 101!' ' Think of "room 101" as being cancelled by the woke brigade.
"2 + 2 does equal 5, yes, I think it does now."
Jeez. Have some dignity--don't apologize, don't back down!
Even Rowling initially tried to placate them before she finally had enough and went Full TERF. I hope Gray and Midler are on the same trajectory.
Sadly, Gray will learn soon enough that no amount of groveling will satisfy the TRAs.
Musta been a helluva few days. She hedged here, but made no clear statement. "I learned a lot" is vague enough.
She was right the first time.
She said "whatever you believe you are, you are" and "woman is a vibe"...that's serving the Kool-Aid....
Edit: I don't believe she actually believes that, and I still support her for coming out as GC. It's still disappointing, but I fully understand why she feels like she can't be truthful here.
She started off very slow trying to avoid saying anything too clear, but kept getting pushed by the interviewer, who was just prodding - c'mon, don't you have something to apologize for? so that by the end she did say several things supporting the TRA. Not that she believed them or would have come up with them on her own, but after all of this and put in an uncomfortable situation where they were obviously not going to move on to her music until this was properly straightened up, she managed to sputter through a few phrases - LGBT, "whatever you believe you are, you are", woman is a vibe - and by the end she seemed ready to just endorse it already, let's move on.
It seemed pretty evident this was not her own volition but by the end she had done her backtracking. I don't know if it will stick, how much it matters to her, how much crap she's getting for it, but you could really watch the story unfold on this one. There was no "education" as in interested party thinking and being inspired by a new perspective, having a conversation, considering various ideas... There was "education" in the sense of, don't you think something else, yes now I understand you were right all along, say what it is you think, yes big brother, I think what you think.. what we all think.
I'll bet she learned a lot. We all learn a lot watching these people in action.
True. I used to be very open and accepting. Then I met several TIMs, got called a TERF while being innocent and inoffensive (just for existing as a woman), and met the entire actual TRA movement. I definitely learned a lot. Their unfounded hate, misogyny and anger made me join the terven. The more they scream and wail, and assault our boundaries and dignity, the more women will join us.
Yup. Same. When I was first reported for "transphobia" at work, my line manager was like, "Tortoisemouse you are the LAST person I would have expected to get accused of intolerance". I was so well known for speaking out against racism, sexism, ableism, being active in my union, being super left-wing and vocal about it. But once I encountered the total intolerance, the bullying, the hate, the lies and the brainwashing of the TRAs I went full TERF. They do it to themselves. They make TERFs wherever they go.
âEveryone in the LGBTQ community is a heroâ cool cool cool Macy, yep, just keep feeding insecure young kids the idea that they too can be stunning and brave if they buy into this bullshit
I know, itâs likeâŠ.Iâm not a hero, I just love eating pussy sometimes. Just wanna lgB left alone.
Iâm not a hero, I just love eating pussy sometimes
Well shit, now youâve gone and made us sound even cooler hahaha
Do these people have any dignity? The cats already out of the bag. You can't go back and say a whole different thing and pretend you really meant that thing in the first place.
Well, we don't know what kind of threats she got...
Not to mention pressures from her record label (she's releasing a new album soon). They're probably telling her to shut up before the woke mob demands to have her stuff pulled from stores, her concerts canceled, etc
They will demand it anyway at this point. Pretty sure their foot is already on the gas
Yep. Gray is gonna learn the same lesson Rowling did. No amount of apologizing will ever be enough once you committed the original sin of saying that men can't become women.
aww hell. I feel bad for her.
Also, I hate this so much.
Boooooo!
But on the other hand, she could lose everything... And now we know how she actually feels because of that tweet.
I really feel for Macy, because of all the abuse sheâs revived, and because she probably just wants to talk about her new album.
I actually really appreciated that she didnât specifically retract, or apologise for what she said. And she didnât say âTWAWâ, it was more, âif thatâs what YOU believe you are, coolâ.
And maybe Iâm misunderstanding, but when she said âbeing a woman is a vibeâ I thought she just meant, being a woman is great.
Noooo :( Can't say I blame her though, I'll never know what it's like to be in her shoes and how I'd hold up against constant abuse and becoming a pariah.
It really does feel like a hostage video. I kept wanting to yell, "MACY! Tug your earlobe if you need us to send a rescue!!"
Also, the condescension of that White host: "Hello Macy. Before we promote your album, let's address those uppity statements you made. Are you going to apologize for being a bad girl and speaking out of turn with opinions I don't approve of? Don't make us send a squad of armed trans-women to your house to re-educate you...."
Ugh, the coloreds are having opinions again instead of just singing and dancing. Unbelievable đ
Thatâs the first thing I observed in her interaction with India Willoughby - a white male condescending over a black woman.
The host was sooo smarmy. "Sometimes through education you do realize and think about things differently" my ass.
TIL getting yelled at on social media and getting death threat tweets is âgetting educatedâ.
Isn't this called public shaming?
Or a struggle session
I donât want to blame her for retracting her previous statement. Few women are as wealthy as JK Rowling and can afford to go against this political trend. It doesnât matter if the trans lobby is a tiny vocal minority - if the media boycotts Grayâs new album, itâs her livelihood thatâll suffer.
True. And it wouldn't surprise me if she was obligated to walk back her statements by her record label's PR firm (since she likely has to do a promotion tour and she might be violating her contract in some way if she doesn't mitigate this controversy)
Hoda is condescending and that was awful but she's not white fwiw.
There is no way that network would send a white woman to do that hatchet job.
Utterly disgusting.
Omg, you're right! They used a brown woman to call out the black woman! It's the BIPOC Re-Education Cadre!
She isn't?
She's Egyptian, so Arab, and therefore viewed in different circumstances as both white and not white. For general US racial dynamics though, not white.
Schrodinger's white
Wait, I thought US-Americans believed that Arabs are white đ§
She's not white in the way that pennygadget's comment portrayed her. When I first saw Hoda, I thought she was biracial. It's a bit more obvious when there are white people next to her (for example: https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1548553/who-joel-schifmann-hoda-kotbs-longtime-partner-just-became-her-fiance.png). So it's a bit cringe to portray her as an oppressor when she has likely been on the receiving end of racism at times.
I've actually never seen why Americans consider Arabs and people from the Middle East white, they receive a lot of racism.
That's how the census has traditionally categorized them I think