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RiothamusscroteJanuary 18, 2023(Edited January 18, 2023)

TRAs insult women with anime characters. TERFs tell the truth about them using actual historical figures.

Fiction always loses to reality.

Lipsy•_____•January 18, 2023(Edited January 19, 2023)

prly not an accident that the stock character most often chosen from history to be vilified for silver-spoony excess is a Woman though. •_____•

like hmmMMMMmmmmm🤔 why isn't there nearly as much roasting of Louis XIV—whose materialism, entitlement complex, and lust for power not only dwarf Marie Antoinette's in retrospect, but who made abject cruelty the main flex?
like okay, MA was clearly somewhere between a clueless silver-spooner and a self-righteous showoff with a Calvinist-level belief that she 'deserved it', but unlike our boy louie, I don't think MA spent her time as queen organizing stuff like systematic quartering of soldiers in the homes of people chosen for Other-ing, where they would abuse, rape, and steal what modest possessions may have been owned by those people.

oh yeah and maybe let's not neglect how the supposed worst of MA's wealth-flexing cruel depredations were complete fabrications from whole cloth—not just gross exaggerations, but actually entire made-up sequences of events that never happened at all, for the sole purpose of ginning up hate.
Not a bad hatchet job, considering how many people are STILL swallowing the cartoon-villain depictions of MA in their whole-ass entirety without even the most cursory bit of backchecking.

Ahh, misogyny our old 'friend'. Imagine seeing YOU again.
Trust, but verify^[1]
[1]: If Story and related Lessons Learned are limited to the character assassination and/or scapegoating of one or more Women and/or Girls only, then the Verification Requirement shall be waived.

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Why is MA the one who's alws chosen to be peak evil hag? (and wherefore 'hag', out of so many options?)
It's almost like there's a reason, or something... I just can't shake the feeling that we can solve this cold case, nawmean?
But maybe not. It's had history buffs perplexed for ages 🤷🏽‍♀️((le sigh)) perhapf it'll alws be a myfffffftewy

RiothamusscroteJanuary 19, 2023

It's hard to use Louis XIV as a cautionary tale because he got away with it. And I don't know if people view Marie Antoinette as evil- just extraordinarily out of touch. But yes, she has always had it worse than her idiot husband Louis XVI on account of her sex and non-French origin.

Lipsy•_____•January 19, 2023(Edited January 19, 2023)

imean i sorta get you but... wait wUt, we're using "He wasn't ever held to account" as the sole reason to KEEP not holding him to account?
jeez grandma, what a great big shiny ouroboros you've got...

but what's much more interesting to me is this entire idea of MA as a "cautionary tale"—in the same vein as "the tall poppy gets cut down" sorta thing, i guess?
That's entirely new to me. Have never thought of her story as "Tone it down missie, yer preenin' for a guillotinin' "—nor can I recall seeing her profile pitched that way by any writer or blogger whose stuff I've read Is this a common line of reasoning? If so, are any individually famous writers/historians/pundits/politicians personally responsible for it?

The vilification of Marie Antoinette, as far as I've seen it, has alws been focused 100% on her conspicuous consumption and her lack of any qualms about showing off around ordinary people who often faced an abyss of abject penury—but absolutely NOT in the sense of "Keep acting like that and, one fine sunday, you'll get yr head cut off".
It's alws been more of an abstract core-values-of-society thing—where those are very very American values, now that I'm thinking it through (I don't know what country you're from).

Basically, I've been exposed to Marie Antoinette hate just in the sense of contemptuous derision at silver-spooners and idle royalty, and at royalty more generally
That it isn't specifically about the guillotine (or other retributive murder) makes all the sense if this is, indeed, a specifically American take—because we declared independence in large part to wash our hands of that whole pestilence that is royalty, and so we've never had any thieving kings or queens to rise up and guillotine over here.

Who knew

AmareldysJanuary 19, 2023

Louis XIV presided over an era of glorious art which is probably why people retroactively him. Things were being built.

A better comparison would be her husband who lived in the same Era. Queens at the time held no political power, they were basically pets.

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