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SulphuricMirrorDecember 25, 2021

This is so sad. I hope most Gen Z-ers are more sensible. I hear that from the LGBTQ+ acceptance is down, and I interpret that as mainly TQ+ acceptance is down (that is my hope, because you know the orgs collecting data on this kind of thing are anti-homosexuals themselves and basically only focus on "queer" stuff, so if they are saying acceptance is down it must apply to TQ+ gender specials more than same-sex attracted people). I'm just a few years too old ot belong to this generation (depending on when it starts, I can never get a straight answer on that), so I have hope that a decent amount of young people aren't falling for this bullshit.

I am however very worried for young women. This is the most massive and pervasive sexual grooming campaign men have ever mounted against girls and women, and they are successfully brainwashing so many young girls and women to basically want to be private or public sex slaves that think being strangled is just what normal sex is. We need a massive backlash against male depravity. I hope Gen Z girls and women freeze Gen Z boys and men out, and millennial men too as they are also porn-addictted trash.

usherDecember 27, 2021(Edited December 27, 2021)

I wouldn't be surprised if actual LGB acceptance is also going down as a result of this. Since we're all lumped together. edit: wording

[Deleted]December 25, 2021

I hope Gen Z girls and women freeze Gen Z boys and men out, and millennial men too as they are also porn-addictted trash.

You mean their primary clientele? Lmao. They'll have to learn the hard way. You know we're just old jealous haha if we dare say "Hey...you think maybe this is gonna turn out really bad for you in ten years??"

SulphuricMirrorDecember 25, 2021

Yes, and I was just discussing this with my dad the other day, the way that men have set up society to be like we are prey animals and they are predators, and they divide the young vulnerable ones from the old by socializing females (and everyone) to hate older women, to fear becoming an older woman, to not respect older women's wisdom (and thus not benefit from their experiences, which would be: men are trash, stay away from them).

Gladys_KravitzDecember 25, 2021

Exactly.

Older women's voices have been in the media for decades, it's just that people rip them to shreds for being "old and out of touch". Look at the responses to any feminists when they wanted to ban porn back in the 80s.

proudcatladymad because angryDecember 26, 2021

People sure do listen to old men though. They run the fucking country and are constantly getting up to share their opinions and everyone hushes to listen. Makes me fucking sick since none of it is useful or important

IridescenceDecember 25, 2021

I recently found out that r/FDS has a pretty significant overlap with dating over 30/40 subs, and 'men are trash, stay away from them' is practically its core tenet, but it's rejected in the mainstream even by a lot of younger women. I wonder if being brainwashed against these 'older women perspectives' has to do with the backlash against it.

[Deleted]December 26, 2021

Yeah, you even see it with 13 and 14 year olds when women in their late teens/early 20s tell them not to post sexual content online. We're taught to scorn older women and revere older men. Ageism against women is a massive, massive problem, and it seems to be getting worse in our youth-obsessed culture. I'm in my early 20s and I remember being terrified of aging even as a 12-13 year old because I knew it would make people devalue/objectify me.

[Deleted]December 26, 2021

FDS is what led me here. I'm eternally grateful.

[Deleted]December 25, 2021(Edited December 25, 2021)

The majority of women in my generation have been groomed, me included. Just because we are taught from birth we deserve abuse doesn't make it true. It's not because we aren't listening to older women that we are abused and groomed, it is because older women's critical voice is not loud (or allowed) in modern media. An issue perpetuated by men.

Speaking as someone who has 'learned the hard way', trapped in a grooming-based, abusive relationship culminating in assault and threats against my life at 16 (all of this stemming from porn and BDSM culture), I hope none of my generation have to learn the way I did. It's sad seeing feminists hoping for vulnerable girls to be abused just because we are taught that is the norm from birth. Please don't take your anger at the patriarchy and apply it to young women. We have suffered enough.

Gladys_KravitzDecember 25, 2021

it is because older women's critical voice is not loud (or allowed) in modern media. An issue perpetuated by men.

Absolutely not true. Older women have been speaking out about this constantly for decades. Not even trans stuff—they've been speaking up about objectification of women and critiques of porn/rape culture.

The overwhelming response is "OK Boomer", or "shut up you jealous old hag".

Young women are rejecting this advice en masse and then turn around and have the gall to say "why didn't anyone warn me??" Well, they did warn you, but you wrote them off as old and out of touch.

Ageism is a huge problem for the left.

[Deleted]December 25, 2021(Edited December 25, 2021)

I'm not saying women aren't speaking, I am saying older women's voices are not exposed to younger women. Nobody DID warn us. The media we have accessed (via schools, Internet programs catering to young women etc) has had nothing like this. Women are screaming their warnings, as they have done for ages, but that doesn't mean men are allowing young girls to be exposed to them. I dearly wish I was exposed to older women's advise. It is the greatest loss of my life that I was not.

proudcatladymad because angryDecember 26, 2021

Also, the “shut up stupid old hag” thing is fed to us by men. It doesn’t naturally come out of young girls.

[Deleted]December 25, 2021

There's a difference between speaking and having access to a megaphone.

[Deleted]December 26, 2021

Young women and girls are the most common target for sexual abuse, and it's tone-deaf to claim that we're all just ageist idiots trash talking feminism for male attention. Our culture revolves around priming young girls for sexual objectification and exploitation. I had to go looking for feminism, because I was being force-fed sexist and victim-blaming talking points from childhood. My religion told me to dedicate myself to serving men and pop culture told me to turn myself into an object for their pleasure. Please don't blame young girls for buying into what they're taught.

I'm not saying that ageism, particularly against women, isn't a massive problem, but young women are mocked and discouraged from listening to older women by men. It's not that we're all idiots who think we'll never age, it's that men want to keep young women uninformed and eager to please so they can exploit us, rape us, humiliate us, hurt us, and discard us as soon as they get bored.

proudcatladymad because angryDecember 26, 2021

God. The double-edged sword of religious sexism and then getting hit with the secular sexism. I lived that too and went to bed many nights hoping I didn’t wake up the next day.

[Deleted]December 26, 2021

Either way I felt so dirty and worthless.

proudcatladymad because angryDecember 27, 2021

Yes me too. I absolutely felt like a literal piece of trash. I had this vivid intrusive thought of myself as a plastic trash bag blowing across a grocery store parking lot.

notyourfetishDecember 25, 2021(Edited December 25, 2021)

Speaking as someone who has 'learned the hard way', trapped in a grooming-based, abusive relationship culminating in assault and threats against my life at 16 (all of this stemming from porn and BDSM culture), I hope none of my generation have to learn the way I did. It's sad seeing feminists hoping for vulnerable girls to be abused just because we are taught that is the norm from birth. Please don't take your anger at the patriarchy and apply it to young women. We have suffered enough.

This is exactly why I get angry about the way the media grooms young women to romanticize abuse. A lot of my blog is centered around criticizing and unpacking the grooming of women through entertainment, but women want to mock me for not tackling "real" issues.

I'm sorry this happened to you. It feels like reading about yet another woman I and my generation failed to protect. I guess you can't save someone else from a sinkhole when you're in the sinkhole too.

[Deleted]December 25, 2021

It's not your or any other woman's fault that another generation of women have to suffer. It is no woman's fault, please never feel responsible. You must have suffered or experienced your own hardships, and nobody saved you from that either. If I hadn't experienced what I had, then I likely would have never uncovered radical feminism, nor the courage required to stand up for myself so in a twisted way I'm grateful. If you feel comfortable I'd love to know what your blog is and read some of it! Hope you have a good new year.

[Deleted]December 26, 2021

Please don't blame yourself. Your work is so important and I'm so grateful for you.

[Deleted]December 25, 2021

...no one is doing that or hoping for abuse. Gen Z girls are doing all they can to weaponize their youth against millennial women in particular and older generations in general. That's why I for one am skeptical about helping the younger generations. Y'all make it clear you don't want help from old ugly cheugy millennials

notyourfetishDecember 25, 2021

I've experienced that, too, as a millennial. I try to help them or teach them about men and get laughed at for being a radfem or a "man hater." This is part of the reason I just stopped trying to help them in person. Now I just focus on my blog and promoting it, so that maybe young women will find it and have some prospective outside of the media and male depravity.

[Deleted]December 25, 2021

Yea we'll be more useful in ten years backing them up when they have to teach Gen Alpha

CrazyMadFemaleDecember 26, 2021

I feel so sad for millennials and Gen Z cuz I think you've grown up in a time that is unprecedented in human history in terms of access to porn and the evil propaganda engine that is social media. I'm gen-x and although the 90s weren't perfect, it was grunge and everybody looked a mess, there was no expectation to be ultra-feminine and constantly gorgeous (the younger people I see look like exquisite dolls, they must be spending a fortune on makeup, hair, nails etc). There was quite a bit of anorexia and bulimia (thanks Kate Moss) and pressure to have sex, but feminism wasn't a dirty word, there was a real sense women had no limitations on what they could do, and being a lesbian was cool and awesome and at least where I lived there was a lot of experimentation. I guess what I'm saying is millennials and Gen Z really need to see they're fighting the same battle against the age-old enemy and start working together. This "divide and conquer" approach that pits different generations of women against each other is just helping the patriarchy.

Lilith-FairDecember 26, 2021

I'm GenX and I agree with everything you said!!

[Deleted]December 26, 2021

Oh yea I'm seriously envious of Gen X women especially the younger ones. I wanna grab all the younguns and time travel to like 1990

[Deleted]December 25, 2021(Edited December 25, 2021)

...no one is doing that or hoping for abuse They'll have to learn the hard way

Gen Z girls are between the ages of 9 and 24. I'm not even 24. I have never once grown up with feminism imparted on me. From birth I was heavily instructed to be feminine, despite being naturally non-conforming. I know not a single other young woman within my generation who has been exposed to actual feminism during their youth. I don't know any gen Z woman who has an opinion like that ("old ugly cheugy millennials") without it being enforced patriarchal from birth, either. I'm sorry you have had a hard time from younger women, despite us not really holding any institutional power unless it is enforced by patriarchal men. Spare a thought for us young women and girls who experience the same levels of sexual assault, abuse and rape as previous generations, but without the easier access to empowering forms of radical feminism, though.

[Deleted]December 25, 2021

The German gen Z i meet are surprisingly woke, in the good sense. Makeup is optional, prostitution and porn is bad, etc. Obviously not in Berlin though, i live in a more conservative ie sane region. And as a leftist i can't believe I'm writing these words but it's true.

TervenRainbowsDecember 26, 2021

(Obviously) non-German here, but I'm surprised/pleased to hear that! I would've thought the opposite given that prostitution is legal in Germany.

[Deleted]December 26, 2021

Seeing hookers begging the grossest filthiest dudes to let them give them blowjobs for literal pocket change in sub freezing weather does wonders in removing the rose colored glasses of prostitution.

TervenRainbowsDecember 26, 2021

Uugh, I'm glad the ugly reality is becoming clear, but I'm also so sad for those women who are suffering so that others may see that reality.

[Deleted]December 26, 2021

I can tell you that seeing it was insanely sad :( i can't even start to imagine the abuse they must suffer

[Deleted]December 25, 2021

Well mostly what I do is defend young women when they speak out against sex work. I don't start the conversation. The dangers of the sex trade don't effect me so even if there wasn't a generational rift it still wouldn't be my place to talk about it

[Deleted]December 25, 2021

Well thank you for bringing attention to these problems. It's a nightmare of our times and I'm grateful for anyone who highlights the inequalities and suffering these women experience.

proudcatladymad because angryDecember 26, 2021

Yeah that comment was really harsh. It is basically impossible to not be groomed. Also a lot of older women are enforcing sexist shit that melds really well with the new sexist shit. So even if we do get the opportunity to listen to them, which a lot of us don’t, it can still be bad.

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KissMyOvariesDecember 26, 2021

😂😂😂

I’ll listen to the same son for WEEKS and nothing else. These kids need to go out and walk barefoot in the grass.

ScherzoDecember 31, 2021

As someone apart of gen z this is scarily accurate, unsupervised internet access truly did fuck a lot of kids up.

FeministunderyrbedDecember 25, 2021

What’s leftist about that? More like Gen Z Internet addicts, but I repeat myself.

KWNiteWyvernDecember 25, 2021

Okay, but when I listen to a song more than once I have either some made up story to go with it or am thinking about doing an animation to it and never do

proudcatladymad because angryDecember 26, 2021

This is so relatable