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WrennJanuary 18, 2024

How is that impacting all of our understandings of sexual relationships?

This is one of my favorite talking point in regards to porn. I’m a millennial. When people my age are skeptical about my anti-porn position, this is one of the best ways I can quickly get the point across.

The vast majority of women who aren’t in the dating scene and haven’t been for a while, have no idea that women are routinely slapped, restrained, forced, and strangled in their initial sexual encounters with partners - with zero warning or request for consent. These women are shocked to find out what it’s like for young or single women now.

It used to be that even for the most benign sex acts, when with a new partner you would talk about if you like a, b, c. I’m not talking about “kinks” or violence, I’m talking about “do you want me to touch your breasts”. Or at least some hesitation, and waiting to see if there was a response. And the vast majority of men wouldn’t have even agreed to strangle their partner, no matter how much she said she “likes it”. My first couple boyfriends (and from the reports of my friends, theirs as well) were worried about hurting me when messing around normally , simply because these are very sensitive areas we’re dealing with! And I’m sure some of them had seen some internet porn by then, but it was nothing compared to today.

Todays porn has absolutely effected how young girls are understanding consent. They think consent to violence is included in consent to sex. I feel so sorry for them. I was at the very tail end of a generation who got to experience sex without the influence of mountains of extreme porn. I don’t think I’ll ever experience it again, and I know those born after me didn’t even get a chance.

Porn is the downfall of society.

VestalVirginJanuary 18, 2024

This, too.

I focused more on the fact that women shouldn't be assumed to be consenting, by default, to basic normal PIV sex, but we also need to acknowledge that "consent" only works in "risk versus benefit" situations, not in "certain damage to health with risk of death" situations.

People get this when it comes to medical procedures (well, used to get it, before gender surgery got fashionable), but seem, for some reason, unable to understand it once happy penis feelings get involved.

Might be the result of women being assumed to consent to PIV. Those other acts of brutality are all considered "sex" and women are considered to be consenting to "sex" by default.