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They’re all playing a group roleplaying game where the unspoken rule is that they agree to never acknowledge the game they’re playing. They’re basically doing that thing that commenters on r/nosleep do where they pretend the clearly fictional horror story is real for the immersion factor. Which is perfectly fine when you’re telling ghost stories for entertainment purposes, and absolutely fucked when it leads to real-life kids mutilating themselves because delusional strangers on the internet repeatedly love-bombed and lied to them.
Take a look at any of those commenters’ profiles, and you’ll find the same person over and over and over again: an adult male posting nudes of his penis while calling himself a transbian and seeking endless validation for poorly filtered selfies.
So it’s purely out of control roleplaying? There’s no psychological overlap with the anorexia community who managed to convince each other they still have fat to lose?
Reddit doesn't let you comment in a lot of places when you have zero karma. So what people do is post dumb shit in fluff communities.
So it could be people are like: complimenting a trans is a safe bet for easy upvotes
Oh, yeah, there’s also rampant body dysmorphia and denial going on here. I’m sure some people’s defense mechanisms are strong enough to legitimately alter their perception of reality.
In my limited experience, men are genuinely and consistently worse at “clocking” (for want of a better term). Which I guess makes sense, since their safety doesn’t depend on it.
My Nigel and I meet TIMs occasionally, lots of them working as servers and baristas in my work woke area, and even when the maleness couldn’t be more obvious to me and all the clear signs are there - deep voice, huge jaw/hands, male gait, male silhouette etc etc - put a man in a dress and a padded bra and Nigel will still have to ask me later to confirm.
And before I peaked him he wouldn’t even have asked me, would have just assumed he’d been talking to a woman.
Helen Joyce says something so interesting about this from the perspective of evolutionary biology. It is absolutely true that women are better at correctly sexing people, and do it faster when first seeing someone. They can intuit a person's sex from as abstract a representation as moving dots of light where shoulders, elbows, hips, knees etc would be, whereas men tend to go off more surface-level cues like clothes and hair. Joyce explains that this is because women have more reason to need to know immediately if a man is around because of the potential danger he poses being bigger, stronger and liable to rape. Sure, men need to be able to recognise women too but it's not a matter of safety for them so the mechanisms developed differently. So basically, exactly what you said!
In addition to not needing to know, I think men are just much more socialised to see femininity = woman. Women know femininity is something we practice, we know it isn't something innate but instead takes effort, so we know what a woman looks like even if she doesn't participate in the charade.
How many times have I heard a man say that a GNC woman 'looks like a man'? For a girl I went to school with and was friends with, I had multiple male friends ask me, genuinely without mal intent, whether she was a boy or a girl (she had an unusual name as well). Never once did I have a girl ask me. She has since conformed to the feminine standards.
I used to think that when men told GNC women they look 'like a man' that they were being purposely inflammatory, but now I'm not so sure. It may be the case that they genuinely cannot tell without the input of femininity, it may even be why femininity was developed... so they'd know immediately who was their in-group. I think it's also why TIMs get murdered; they broke the rules, they tricked a man by being feminine, he thought he had an out-group person to sexually abuse. The man can't cope with 'being gay' so he lashes out in typical violent male fashion.
I've seen multiple TiMs complain that GC feminists are hypocrites because they've "basically socially transitioned." I saw this specifically in reference to Kathleen Stock. To my eyes, she just looks like a woman with short hair, no makeup, and non-fussy clothes.
They could just be negging, but if they're serious, that could go a long way towards explaining why TiMs think long hair, lipstick, and a skirt make them pass.
Looked her up, Ms. Stock is very obviously a woman with a short haircut who likes t-shirts.
I have the same experience.
My partner sometimes sends me videos taken from omegle were a cute gamer girl reveals to be, in fact, a man with a wig.
The first time I clocked the guy instantly and didn't even get the sense of the video. So I asked to my partner and he said "because it isn't a woman, it's a man! Incredible! How aren't you surprised?!" And I was even more confused because it was so obvious to me. The video shouldn't have existed in the first place.
Now I understood that my man cannot clock TIMs, so this kind of video shocks him.
I don't even know how I can clock them, I just sense it. I'm so good at it that I can do it with the corner of my eye when I mindlessly scroll reddit.
Nigel will still have to ask me later to confirm
That’s legitimately sad. I can’t imagine being unable to trust my senses.
Luckily it’s never been in a situation where the sex of the person mattered - who cares if your barista is male or female? - and that might be a factor in his inability to tell.
But I think males genuinely aren’t very good at telling, and some TIMs might truly be convinced that they (and others) pass as female.
Exactly. Men don't need to sense if the guy they're talking to is planning to sexual assault them. We, on the other hand, are always questioning.
In my limited experience, men are genuinely and consistently worse at “clocking” (for want of a better term). Which I guess makes sense, since their safety doesn’t depend on it.
My experience as well, and that's exactly what I think is behind it. It's not a skill they MUST develop so they don't.
In my limited experience, men are genuinely and consistently worse at “clocking” (for want of a better term). Which I guess makes sense, since their safety doesn’t depend on it.
there eyes are almost the same as ours but their recognition is different, physically they have a different number of rods and cones in their eyes so their colour recognition isn't as wide, this mainly applies to shades of reds and greens.
as far as the brain goes, they see moving objects better then we do, their peripheral vision is less and their ability to identify static objects is less, its normally referred to as Refrigerator Blindness, because they open the door and can't find the milk that's right in front of them, nature dictates they would see it quicker if it was on a moving conveyor belt.
they are also less able to recognize faces and facial expressions.
My husband has a type of Red Green colourblindness. I actually think it made it easier for him to clock TIMs because the lipstick and other makeup they wear is not as noticeable for him. One time I was wearing fluoro green leggings. As we were about to leave he sincerely asked me if I was going to put on pants!
I guess he's not allowed to drive then?
I was once waiting to cross the road when a car stopped at the lights, no matter how much the cars behind beeped they did not move until the lights changed to red, then they happily drove on as if nothing was wrong, no way could they have had a licence.
He drives, he can see some difference between the red and green traffic lights, and he knows based on the location of the light and the surrounding traffic. In fact he makes some side money teaching immigrants to drive lol
You may have encountered someone with Dementia rather than colourblindness. This is a common issue with early onset dementia. Driving is often one of the first skills to go, and confusing which-light-means-what is something well-documented.
It's also common for people with Dementia to confuse the acceleration pedal with the brake pedal.
Every single response is validating him.
See, the way preddit works is that they ban anyone who disagrees until all that's left is ppl who agree with the narrative they're pushing. Go tell him the truth on a throwaway ans see what happens.
Ding ding! This is exactly why we only ever see positive things said to these weirdos. They must be aware of it too, so there isn't much reason to ask except to hope to deplatform the dissenters.
I think they look at those photos and think, "He doesn't pass, but he passes better than I do. Everyone else says he passes, but people also tell me that I pass. I'm obviously being too hard on him and, by extension, too hard on myself. Therefore I pass." They seem to squint to blur out the features and just go on the long hair, makeup, clothes, and head tilt to confirm femininity.
Thanks, this makes sense.
I’m wondering what overlap there is psychologically with the anorexia community. A whole group who are dying of starvation have convinced each other that they still have fat to lose.
I guess I’m just wondering if the group dynamic in the trans community really has that powerful effect to warp their visual perceptions or if they still see normally.
The only thing he's "passing" is that neanderthal brow down to his unfortunate offspring 😆
When they're so sure they pass, i sometimes think, maybe this one does...
They never do 🤣
He doesn't look anything like a girl. I think these guys are just really bad at telling the difference between men and women. It's pretty plain to other people. I shared a post from Reddit the other day of a TIM who did the same thing. He said a "terf" was bothering him, so he posted a picture of himself as a "woman" to get back at the "terf." But he didn't look anything like a woman. He clearly was wearing a wig, had bad makeup, a manly jawline, and 5 o'clock shadow. I think they have some sort of body dysmorphia where they really can't recognize certain features that are typically male or female. And of course, like you said, everyone lies to them to make them feel better and it only furthers their delusional beliefs. It's just weird and sad.
He looks like a guy I would have had a crush on in high school. I always went for the long hair. And I always knew when it was a GUY with long hair.
Yep. Looks like a young guy who probably listens to classic rock, hides weed from his parents and is in a random garage band.
He does not look like a woman.
It's sad how suspicious I've become of men with long hair now lol. The TIPS ruined everything
I know! Now I look at teenage boys with long hair and wonder are you just a normal guy with long hair or do you think you pass as a woman?
There was this post by a woman whose husband transed shared here a while back. They apparently went to a restaurant together and the waiter either “misgendered” the husband or straight up asked him if he wanted to be called Sir or Madam.
And that woman seemed genuinely distressed how that waiter could clock her “beautiful wife” just like this. I think she’d been trapped in a bubble with this guy long enough, while desperately trying to see him as a woman, that she had managed to convince herself that this is what she saw. Then the real world burst the bubble.
Something very similar is probably going on here. Just that the bubble is that online community of fellow TIMs seeing what they want to see.
Trans isn’t a mental illness… Just everyone who’s trans seems to be severely mentally ill.
I wouldn't even know that that was a "transwoman", it's literally a regular young guy with long hair. I'm very interested by what facial expressions he thinks he's pulling and why they make him look feminine.
As someone who turned 20 in the early 1990’s, I desperately want to sit these boys down for a viewing of Singles, the (cheesy) grunge movie full of guys looking exactly like they do.
It's a hug box and validation mill. very common in TIM communities. Basically a circle jerk for validation fee fees.
Also, this comment:
You don't pass? Then you must have accidentally sent a picture of a cis woman 😊😂❤️
Ah yes, good one. "Cis" women: so ugly and they don't even try to be feminine like we do, amiright bros?
They are kids more brainwashed than the adults. They have grown up with this crap. The consequences for kids telling the truth would be even harder for them to deal with than it is for us.
The picture of that young man just looks like a boy with long hair. Passing? Not in a million years.
On the positive side of this horrific epidemic, where it’s been ethically banned to test this, psychology has now a whole bunch of case studies to study on what happens when you lie to children about something they can see. Maybe this can ease the way for new laws to protect kids from psychological abuse about lying about reality.
just looks like a boy with long hair.
Looks like a geeky boy who spent too much time online, memorizing Pi, and complaining about the girls in Chess Club.
And when I say that, I mean he actually looks like a boy I knew in Chess Club.
There are a number of different things I think are going on simultaneously. Up to you (general you) how many you think apply to any given situation:
Face blindness. This can run the gamut from "I have trouble remembering people's faces" to "I couldn't pick a blood relative out of a crowd if I didn't know what they were wearing ahead of time". This is very common in autism spectrum disorder. It's highly likely that they, quite literally, see pictures of themselves with long hair and think "girl" because that's an identifier for them. People with autism can be incredibly rigid thinkers.
Delusional thinking. I mean the proper medical definition, not a colloquial use of the term. Their thoughts do not come from a rational place, and so any attempts to break the delusion is only going to make them entrench themselves in it further if they're unable or unwilling to realize they have a problem.
Feeling powerless in their life, so they go to an internet hugbox that is full of similarly maladaptive people who are quick to affirm each other's thoughts while also reinforcing terrible behavior. A TIM second-guessing himself might turn to the internet not for honest feedback, but because he wants someone to tell him what he wants to hear: that of course he passes, anyone who says otherwise is a troll.
And finally, the fetishists. This section speaks for itself.
I’ve never thought about the prevalence of face blindness in people with ASD in relation to their delusions of passing. That could explain a lot though.
I have mild face blindness and yet I can recognize a man from a woman whenever I look at their face. Face blindness is more a memory thing for me.
Idk, I'm bad with faces, and I gotta admit I wouldn't have clocked him from the photos. In real life, probably, but not from the photos.
(Though I am into long-haired men, so perhaps I didn't clock him because my brain found him utterly unattractive? lol.)
... just remembered, I also don't have my glasses on right now. That could be it, too.
Here’s a normal sized version of the photo https://archive.ph/ghAkg
He’d look halfway decent if he grew a tidy moustache and beard to mask that nonevent jawline. (I like men with long hair and moustaches.) Of course nothing on this earth is going to make him a decent human being, so it’d be a waste of time.
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This is honestly the first time I don't clock a TIM someone here links to.
Might be the fact he has his hair hanging over his face. If there's no square jaw, it is usually the sum of facial proportions that make me notice.
And the photo is relatively small, that might be a factor, too.
Omg. The weird obsession with validating TIMs over there is insane.
I’m so annoyed with it. Just yesterday I saw “just tried mascara for the first time!” And I could tell the eyes didn’t look super young. I click and of course it’s a fucking TIM. I used to love the MakeupAddiction subreddit but now I’m so tired of seeing ugly TIMs pretend they look good.
And plenty of older, conventionally unattractive men learn how to do makeup and do drag and still say that they’re a man. The TIMs are posting “hehe just trying for the first time!” for their daily dose of roleplaying dopamine.
I think it’s becoming like a mass delusion. Like how in churches where they do the weird snake talking, people randomly start talking in tongues. Even though none of it is real. I truly believe that’s how the TIM phenomena is spreading, but on a massive online scale.
well apart from the fact he just looks like a stroppy teenager, lets face it if they did "pass" (which in English is deceive and can be a criminal offense lets use real language here) they wouldn't be so damn paranoid about showing they do all the time and looking for affirmation.
but apart from that, I really want to know why their hair always looks so bad, limp, lank, stuck to the head like they'd used it to clean out a chip pan. I hardly ever see anyone with hair like that, man or woman except utter scrotes.
they are mentally ill, so there is no point questioning their motives, its no different to eating disorder forums where they egg each other on in starving themselves to death. you just need to hang the mental health problems sign on the door and shut it in your mind so you don't waste your time looking in it for logical answers, you wont find it with the mentally ill that's why they are mentally ill, you just have to accept it is what it is.
the real question is why so many others mainly handmaidens play along with the delusions and the answer is a mix of no skin off their nose, ultimately it doesn't affect them to praise a TIM online and if he vanishes off the internet tomorrow having killed himself it will not be noticed, so its far easier to play along then to stand out from the crowd and draw attention and TRAnger to yourself by saying "No you don't".
Delusional. Period.
there's a reason he posted that in r/transpositive, where you're supposed to be - well - positive, and not in a more realistic sub like r/transpassing. He wants only praise, not a realistic idea of whether he passes lol.
A toxic sludge composed of all of the above, in different ratios for different people. They also have a warped social pact where they pretty much always have to assure each other they pass; "you validate me, I validate you." Meanwhile quite a few more privately will admit he doesn't actually think the dude he just told that to passes...but he hangs on the equally phony validation he himself received in exchange as 'real.'
That’s the same guy who lost his shit — and I’m not exaggerating — that women dared to talked about their periods when he’s around because he has “trauma” around periods due to the fact that he doesn’t get one. He went NUTS on the people in that sub who gently explained that telling women he’s traumatized by their periods is shaming women for having periods.
He’s a misogynistic douchebag and he knows it, and now he’s looking for validation after claiming he was going to “end up in the hospital” because people were “invalidating” his “trauma.” Fuck him.
He's a riot. One of my personal favorite reddit lolcows.
I never knew of this guy until this fantastic meltdown, but he sure is entertaining! Now he’s begging people to talk to him because he’s “spiraling” over the fact that other TIMs correctly told him he was shaming women for having periods, and whining about a Reddit admin deleting one of his comments. I know he claims he’s 19, but he behaves like a 13-year-old boy.
It’s amazing that even his fellow tims corrected him about shaming women.
His rage at everything that ever happens ever is a sight to behold. Imagine how horrible it would feel to be that angry all the time. And your only outlet is turning subs GREEN with SHINAGAMI EYES!!!
He is quite frightening looking. Either he'll spend his life being a lolcow or he'll do some horrible violent stunt.
What? Seriously? I just checked his post titles. He must have deleted it. Do you have an archive link? I want to see how his own community was invalidating him.
Here’s an archive of him flipping out on the sub for not validating his trauma
And an archive of him whining that he needs someone to talk to after he was attacked for his dysphoria
Edit: [and an archive of the reveddit of the comments, but it didn’t save his post unfortunately])https://archive.is/meQ3T)
Males have perfected playing the victim when they’re wrong 🙄
Thank you! Wow, you’re right about playing the perfect victim.
OP: > This entire post is about how I have trauma based on periods. Why the fuck are you bringing up the topic I specifically said triggers me? I feel completely apathetic to everything you just said and I'm not even going to bother reading all of it. I do not give a shit about what the fuck cis women go through in terms of periods if they aren't going to give a shit about my own traumas. This is not a fucking competition. Grow up.
Trans person A: > You opened the discussion. If you are not capable of holding such a discussion, then maybe start it with a actual therapist that can help you work through it in a productive way. Otherwise you are setting us all up for failure in trying to help you navigate this. Right now you are coming across as a whiney child rather than someone seeking solutions, please follow your own advice and grow up.
OP: > Oh my fucking god. How do I make you people shut the fuck up. I've deleted the post because of everyone straight up harassing me in DMs about this. If you want a sophisticated adaptation of my side of the story, look at my latest post. Just leave me the fuck alone. Please.
In another thread, another tells him > You need to shut the fuck up and work on your cisphobia. You’re wrong. Everyone is telling you you’re wrong. You’re the one who wanted into women’s’ spaces which is the only time we can openly discuss our periods. Deal with it or leave. Like what’s wrong with you?
I can’t believe “cisphobia” is a term now. Misogyny clearly defines what’s going on here.
I feel sorry for his family having to deal with him and his sense of entitlement he needs therapy.
I hope they ditched him ages ago.
Holy SHIT, this dude is a certified basket case.
Ahh, he must have deleted it. He deleted his “apology” post wherein he blamed “cis women” for his “trauma” and angrily reprimanded everyone who told him he was shaming women for having periods.
The only thing I can find is a screenshot of the original post on Twitter, I hope it’s okay to link, but the comments were insane — he utterly lost his shit: Twitter screenshots
Wow, he seems like a seriously spoiled child. His "trauma" is never having experienced menstruation? That's it?
This is another prime example of a TIM trying to reach so far to come up with a way to victimise himself. Like that guy who said that being given toy trucks to play with as a child is oppression.
Absolutely delusional. If the worst thing going on in his life is that he doesn't menstruate, to the point that he goes online to complain about it, his life is very easy and comfortable.
The tragic thing is I actually agree with the kid’s initial point as it pertains to private, in-person conversations.
Like, yeah, sure, if I’m at a dinner party and find out that Susan sitting a few seats down from me has a phobia of dogs, then I’m totally fine with not showing her my pet pictures or bringing up what a great time we had at the dog park.
But that shit doesn’t apply when you log into an open forum on a massive website like reddit, and this kid has clearly been raised so chronically online that he never learned the difference. He’s Susan, and the entire internet is the dinner party.
It's quite different when Susan forced herself into a dinner party she wasn't invited to, and proceeds to rage at everyone about talking about "the wrong things".
Edit: Like if she (as not a dentist) forced herself into a dentistry convention dinner, and yelled about her trauma and nobody should be talking about dentistry there.
They hate when you point out that in therapy the goal is to learn how to overcome your trauma and be able to encounter triggers and still function well and not be severely impacted. Because it goes against their whole ideology that the entire world needs to adapt around them and their triggers.
Don’t get me wrong. Do I believe there are certain places where they’re appropriate? Years ago it was on places like eating disorder forums and a relapse would be put behind a trigger warning. Understandable because it’s a group of people in recovery. It’s like how you understand why someone relapsed in substance abuse but you don’t want the guy nodding off at the meeting with everyone.
They are practically in line at the grocery store while someone, a stranger, is excited about cake mix and someone loudly starts complaining that talking about cake is harmful to those with ED.
Thanks for sharing this. It is terrible how misogynists are now co-opting the language of trauma and therapy.
Did anyone else click on this and get a bunch of extreme right-wing tweets in the "More Tweets" section below? I am very concerned by this algorithmic "force teaming" of misogyny with something trans-critical!
Absolutely, the amount of right-wing trash youtube pushes on me since I started watching gender critical commentators is terrifying. And then the left-wing turn around and say "look who your movement is associated with" like their abandonment of women's issues isn't what made me politically homeless in the first place.
Yes!!
Terms like gaslighting are being co-opted to a frightening extent, I refuse to use the word trigger in my own therapy sessions because of the idiotic connotations with it. I refer to it as things I have a difficulty dealing with or something along those lines.
We can’t have anything honestly.
Absolutely unhinged. Thanks for the Twitter thread. https://archive.ph/sKtLm