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NewsOwner of Kiwifarms releases a statement on the downtime
EDIT: Null did a livestream with a lawyer on youtube explaining the situation, it is four hours long
Below is a textdump for archiving purposes
Kiwi Farms Downtime Update as of August 26th, 2022 The forum is down because upstream ISPs have blackholed routes to our network. When a computer tries to connect to our servers, the global network has no way to reach them. This is a deliberate action from our host.
They are not answering my emails and I do not know why this has been done. However, prior to going down, we were being targeted by a DDoS attack and other forms of attempted network intrusion. It is likely that these efforts disrupted the entire ISP and forced them to blackhole our network to protect other customers from disruption.
In an ideal situation, they will restore access eventually on their own. I am working on securing the network from DDoS attacks in the mean time. Other service providers are working on a solution which may restore access in the next few days.
Regardless of what happens, I will decentralize our setup across multiple datacenters. In the near future, there will be no single point of failure. Since I acquired my own network, I have been stubborn and complacent in thinking that such a solution would be permanent. I've been aware of this single point of failure, but decided to ignore it, mostly because decentralization would be expensive.
I have received extremely generous offers of support in the last few days. Long-term plans are being developed to keep the site up. However, it's unlikely anything can happen before Monday.
I will keep in touch on Telegram. If that goes down, I will be on Poast.
General Statement The Kiwi Farms is an online discussion forum about people on the Internet. It is without agenda. If you want to talk about a public figure and their presence online, there is likely space to do so on my website. All I ask of my users is that they keep a cool head, a good sense of humor, and stay strictly within the boundaries of US law.
In the digital era, personal reputation has become a very valuable form of capital. Google, Wikipedia, online news outlets, and other large websites allow a public figure meticulous control over their public perception.
When a community of random anonymous nobodies can setup a forum and talk about a person candidly, where this control does not exist, it creates problems for influential people.
The opponents about this forum lies about its purpose and character. They misrepresent our speech as violence, our information as harassment, and our discussions as stalking.
Google cleans up their search results, the news prints their hit pieces, and Wikipedia canonizes those stories as truth. Instantly, the general public is left with one narrative available to them.
The mob then harass innocent people running unrelated third party services by sending emails in the thousands and threatening their families. This mob claims to be oppressed, when they can summon a hundred thousand dollars out of thin air and bend multi-billion dollar organizations to do what they want.
Meanwhile, our website is down through criminal behavior. Any outlet I use to discuss the ongoing attack is also targeted.
They have tried to justify this behavior with the logic that we "do not respond to anything except fear." What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where fat eunuchs can groom little boys and girls into mutilating their bodies and taking drugs in secret, while normal people are not allowed to even discuss it.
They've made it clear that I and my family will be targeted for abuse and violence regardless of if I keep the site up or let it stay down. I have no reason to do anything but continue forward. Fuck these people.
See you soon, Joshua Moon jcmoon@pm.me
The Critics These are the people who want the forum down.
Keffals Former Canadian communist party member involved in adult entertainment as a fart fetishist t-girl. Now a Twitch streamer with a young audience. Sponsors a directory for obtaining or synthesizing hormones intended for minors hiding their transition from their parents.
Operated a large, private chatroom called the "Catboy Ranch" which had many minors in it. Participants received a customized animal collars from Keffals directly. A 16-year-old (10 years younger) was one of Keffals's favorites.
Read more.
Liz Fong-Jones Friends of Greta Gustava and Nina Chaubal, former chairs of non-profit Trans Lifeline. Sent an email from their @google.com email address to a service provider we used, hoping to scare them into taking us down, because our website exposed that their friends might be embezzling money.
Greta and Nina were later removed by their board of directors. Liz no longer works at Google and complains that the Kiwi Farms makes it harder to find work.
Ana Valens Journalist who posts bizarre, disgusting diatribes about wanting to set up facilities where natal women are raped and forcibly impregnated by transgenders. Published videos of them talking about this fantasy in detail (1, 2). Blames us for people not liking them.
I'll add more later. You get the idea.
They are enabling it because they are told that they're kind, good people for doing so. Also because they think this is what "their side" supports.
To stop this, they need to be told that they are supporting misogyny and homophobia and that it is hateful and cruel for them to support this. And they need to hear that from a critical mass of people, especially women and LGB people who are undeniably on the left.
It angers me when conservatives pretend this is a left v right thing or blame feminists. They are too stupid to realize it, or perhaps they don't care, but that rhetoric actually helps the TRAs because that lie is exactly why the handmaidens support it.
TRAs also say it's a right vs left thing, that is not something special to conservatives. Just today on an article about all the doom people injest from the world almost offhandedly the author brought up the trans issue and blamed the backlash on (American) Conservatives fear-mongering about it and the disgust factor. They are truly ignorant on what the problem is. And TRAs are out there calling us TERFs I don't think they need the Conservatives help in blaming feminists.
Truly ignorant or willfully ignorant? I'm not so sure anymore.
Definitely the latter at this point. Perhaps they should take a leaf out of their own ideological book and go ‘educate themselves’. Maybe they could post a purple, green and white striped square on their social media pages to signal they are off doing said education.
Perhaps they should take a leaf out of their own ideological book and go ‘educate themselves’.
If only!
"It angers me when conservatives pretend this is a left v right thing or blame feminists. They are too stupid to realize it, or perhaps they don't care, but that rhetoric actually helps the TRAs because that lie is exactly why the handmaidens support it."
That's a really important point.
misogyny and homophobia
Can't be understated.
It will have to affect them personally in some way. Either they're intimidated or assaulted by a TIM in a bathroom or they're personally harassed by a transbian. Something that's shocking and jarring and affects them directly, in real life, not online.
There are plenty of handmaidens on (correction:) the lesbian subreddits right? They have their spaces colonized while simultaneously celebrating the interlopers, if I understand the situation correctly.
Also my experience with religious women, makes me seriously doubt that negative personal experiences will make them change. You don't by and large see Muslim women condemning Islam because it makes their lives worse. Now granted, they were born into it, so its not shocking to them...but still...seeing women embrace their own oppression makes me doubt that personal consequences will put an end to their support of the oppression.
No, r/lesbians is the porn sub. You might be thinking of r/actuallesbians or r/lesbiansactually which do have a lot of handmaidens, most of whom are bisexual or straight with a handful of naive lesbians who think they are being good allies. That is until they eventually get called TERFs for making their same-sex attraction clear, then they tend to jump ship. There are also the hypocritical lesbians in long-term relationships who pretend to be pro trans but the reality there is always TRA in the streets TERF in the sheets.
Thank you for the correction. Interesting that the lesbians who are insulted tend to jump ship. There cant be many of them left by now.
Hopefully, the facts: that as much as 97% of TIMs have/keep their male genitalia, that up to 70% of TIMs in prison are in there for violent sexual offenses, that TIMs retain a male pattern of criminality, that trans-identified people are 6-8 times as likely to have autism* (this number is likely greater in adolescents/younger trans-identified people), that research does not support the claims that medical transition reduces suicidality or improves mental health, that researchers are lying about the evidence around transition to make it look better and support their political beliefs, that there are massive rates of complication in transition surgeries, so bad that no other type of surgery with the same level of risk would ever be permitted by doctors, etc. etc.
edit2: I find that most people IRL are kind of shocked by hearing this because they haven't looked too far into this stuff- they just go along with what their party says and what activists tell them is kind. Making them look at objective facts (or their absence) it's the first step to most reasonable people peaking.
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/
https://www.city-journal.org/article/aclu-attorney-confesses-transgender-suicide-claim-is-a-myth
https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/researchers-found-puberty-blockers
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15638908/
*edit: as the general population
What will it take for brainwashed handmaidens to wake up?
Hopefully, the facts: that as much as 97% of TIMs...
You must be new around here.
I wonder if it's really just empathy. When I listen to women who support TIMs I often get the impression that a man wanting to be a woman makes them feel better about being women themselves. As if a man wanting to be a woman gives being a woman a value it would otherwise lack. All that talk about TIMs working so hard to be women when we don't have to because we were just born women. They perceive themselves as having been born privileged and conclude that because they're privileged they owe these unfortunate men all the support they can possibly give.
TIMs make me feel better about being a woman but because I'm the opposite of what they are, and what they are is profoundly horrible and disgusting.
I definitely think co-dependency is driving the relationship between TIMs and handmaidens.
Our society is misogynistic and as a result, a large proportion of women end up internalizing negative beliefs about their class. This fosters insecurity and a hunger for external validation. In a patriarchy, being validated by men is the ultimate ego boost.
These women feel flattered that there are men who envy our class so much that they identify as us. The idea that these men are undermining everything feminists fought for takes a back seat to the warm and fuzzy feelings these men give them. “Look at these hons struggling to pass in their cheap dresses and poorly applied makeup when all I have to do is roll out of bed and that is enough!” For once, these insecure women feel a taste of superiority; their pity towards TIMs also functions as gratitude towards their own status as women. Everytime these men claim to be women, handmaidens feel less shame about being women.
So this dynamic is why handmaidens need TIMs to be their pet cause. Until they gain the self-awareness to see to how their own internalized sexism is blinding them to truth, they will keep up the pick-me behavior.
I wonder if it's really just empathy. When I listen to women who support TIMs I often get the impression that a man wanting to be a woman makes them feel better about being women themselves. As if a man wanting to be a woman gives being a woman a value it would otherwise lack
I totally get this sense, too. Like it's a favor or a compliment.
In my feminist youth, I fell for this line of thinking, that men wanting to be women was undoing sexism and the patriarchy because it was a sign of women being valued. Then I learned about AGP and saw how TIMs and TRAs were as focused on controlling women's speech and behavior as any right wing, Christian nationalist, Quiverfull patriarch.
I actually think that's behind Catherine MacKinnon's exasperating support of trans---it makes her feel better about being a woman and a feminist to see men wanting to be that.
But don’t they look at the ‘type’ of woman these men want to be?
I would not like any actual woman who Loved to brag about being empty headed, constantly on the prowl for and obsessed with sex, emotionally incontinent, loves being’weak’ , a caricature of a teen, etc
These men walk around doing their impression of a gay man…because it’s what they think women are
100%, she see men wanting to be women as a form of validation.
How pathetic.
I was really heartbroken when I read her TRA essay.
Same here. She was my 'women's studies' professor in my undergrad days. It is amazing how gender ideology melts people's brains. How it brings out the handmaiden in women you wouldn't expect....
It’s a bit of a stereotype that people who leave a religion were often the most sincere believers, the ones who felt strongly that it was important to know what they stood for and why. It’s a rude awakening when they find themselves attacked for asking honest questions that might threaten the status quo. That only pushes them to not trust what they’re being told anymore, and starts to make the hypocrisy around them a lot more apparent.
My personal experience with trans politics as a leftist was a lot like that. I was on board for a little while, genuinely thinking that they were misunderstood and suffering people who needed our support. But TRAs and their allies ran roughshod over far too many of my personal values and spouted rhetoric that made absolutely no sense. I could tell they were so aggressive about shutting down debate because they were threatened by factual information. I began to see them for what they really were and couldn’t un-see it no matter how much external pressure the left tries to put on women committing thoughtcrimes.
Extending that metaphor, I think that a lot of people who stay in a religion do genuinely believe what they’re taught. They’re not necessarily being disingenuous when they turn a blind eye to hypocrisy and inconsistencies (or even corruption), it’s just that at the end of the day they aren’t primarily invested in seeking out the truth for themselves.
Same is true for most TRA handmaidens. They accept the party line so easily because they have internalized the idea that being seen as a good person who believes The Correct Things by the standards of their community is more important than having beliefs that are actually true and stand up to scrutiny. This is especially a catch-22 for women, who are expected to put being endlessly kind and accommodating above their own self-interest. I genuinely think lot of women feel far more anxiety over being judged as lacking in compassion or being selfish than being wrong about something.
While they are not motivated by the same things that hardcore zealots are, they are definitely susceptible to being influenced by zealots without a real sense of personal integrity to anchor them. Those who can convince you to believe absurdities can convince you commit atrocities and all that. Those types of people don’t usually break out of this mindset unless something happens that personally affects them or their loved ones so negatively that they can’t afford to not question things anymore.
they have internalized the idea that being seen as a good person who believes The Correct Things by the standards of their community is more important than having beliefs that are actually true and stand up to scrutiny
This exactly. They have no personal integrity (as you note).
by extending empathy to these men, you take away empathy from all the women, girls and gay people affected by this nonsense
This is the crux, for me. Sure play dress up, buddy. Live your life. Just live it in your lane, don't take someone else's lane. Never in the history of the world has any person actually changed sex.
When the political calculus has changed enough that all the left-wing media (traditional and non-traditional) outlets they take their orders from start telling them to believe in the opposite direction.
I think this is correct. The concepts underlying the TRA movement require a purposely suspension of critical thinking skills - putting faith in a dogma spoonfed by captured "institutions" such as media sources, TikTok, celebrities, etc.. Once these sources flip the other way, I think we'll see a comically brief extinction burst where the particular celebrity/media source is reviled by their fans for three hours, but the move away from TRA-ideology will be too swift and too voluminous for any one "dissenter" to catch permanent damage.
They always say that all the posts on /mtf are fake and written by right wing trolls. Then they say that everything and everyone on the internet is fake and that I need to meet real life trans people. 🙄
that I need to meet real life trans people
Nope. Real life trans people are worse. They've drunk the kool-aid and are entirely unpredictable.
Sometimes I post screenshots in o/translogic, the amount of times people reply to me saying this must be fake is annoyingly high. I always say, I hope it is fake, but think there's a strong chance it's real. I always try to include their pics/other context in my posts so people understand the level of depravity these men sink to is VERY real, if unsettling and hard to accept/understand.
I see and appreciate your screenshots! I think that even if the posts ARE fake, the other TIMs all agree anyway based on the number of upvotes and tone of the comments.
A lot of those accounts have long histories and photos of the TIM pre- and post-transition. The totally anonymous accounts likely have high rates of being fake, but the longstanding ones are a hundred percent real, and TIMs really are that awful.
Agree.
Although I do think some of the blank post/anon accounts with years of comment histories are typically real, just burners, or they're smart enough to not post pics publicly.
Just call them trans.
Respectfully.
Tell them that you support them on their journey and that you think what they're doing is really brave. Offer them makeup and clothing tips to help them "pass." Tell them you didn't really believe that trans women are women until you met her. She's slaying it!
Make them tell you they are not trans. Act dumb. Make them explain it to you clearly.
Then just shut up.
Tell them that you support them on their journey and that you think what they're doing is really brave. Offer them makeup and clothing tips to help them "pass." Tell them you didn't really believe that trans women are women until you met her. She's slaying it!
Ok I don't know how much this would actually help... but I'm here for it anyways.
It was sarcasm. Handmaidens love to parrot and virtue signal TWAW until they get called one themselves, and then they get flustered and humiliated because explaining exactly why that offends them would upset the girldick they worship
I don't care if it was sarcasm. To honestly do this will full sincerity would be awesome.
When it hurts them personally. That being said, frustratingly many women who have been hurt by men still continue to ally with the same men or group of men who hurt them because I think it gives them a false sense of superiority over other women who don’t feel the same way.
Or they believe they are being kind and don’t want to be confrontational.
I think it's also a weird sort of cope. I've heard/read about rape victims who sneer at other women who were raped, and I think it's a way to convince themselves it wasn't that bad for them, and therefore that means it wasn't that bad for other women.
When it hurts them personally.
Sadly, that's just how people usually are, regardless of sex. No one ever thinks the leopard is going to eat their face.
We'd have to stop rewarding women for prioritizing males over themselves in order for the handmaidens to wake up. Which is essentially undoing female socialization altogether. That's going to take a long time. In the grand scheme of things, women have only served as handmaidens to the male-centered Church of Trans for about 10-15 years. Compared to other male-centered religions like Christianity, Islam etc which has been going on over thousands of years, this thing could potentially never end, as long as the reward of male worship is great enough. Society rewards women when we worship males, and it punishes us harshly when we don't.
Very well said.
From the religious example, the best hope then is for this religion to be overcome by a different belief.
What will it take? It’ll take them wanting a female-only space and realizing that they can’t have that. It’ll take them wanting a female healthcare provider and realizing that their “female” provider is a male in a wig.
Someone who ISN'T a crazy far-right guy doing what Trump is doing on the gender issue.
"guy" being the operative term. Sadly they'll probably listen to a "guy" more in the long run.
Honestly I have no idea what it will be. I just tried to peak my friend. I REALLY thought I had her. I didn't count on her having trans family though, so that's a barrier. But I honestly don't know. I really thought it would work.
Well, I do know. It's going to have to happen to them. Very personally, very pointedly, and very costly-like. It's going to have to cost them. I don't mean financially necessarily. It's going to have to cost them in a way where they can't shrug it off or chalk it up to a "bad example" rather than understand the systemic pattern and how this is all connected to sexism. And that WILL happen to a few of them. But it won't happen to most. So it just won't happen. Fuck.
As a person with a number of genuinely autistic family members, this is how I feel about autism in its current iteration in society.
My family members have worked HARD to learn the norms and expectations that didn’t come naturally to them. They don’t expect to be coddled -they know that it’s their responsibility to handle their brain.
Do they have days on the struggle bus? Of course. But they understand and love knowing that it’s normal and not a product of their autism so much as part of being a human. Being normal and just like everyone else is what they’ve worked so hard for.
I think as more & more information around the trans communities actual takes and motivations start to surface, people are going to find themselves more and more pressed to defend them.
Their biggest supporters in handmaidens are 'queer' women in heterosexual relationships.
So basically - the least targeted demographic to all their jargon. They have little to no actual face-to-face confrontations with these men.
& the demographic most likely to fade into 'I never said that' obscurity once this blows over.
So, therefore.
These women can pretend their support is fostering goodwill with these poor lonely men who just 'want to exist' s/ s/ s/
They get the 'I just did something good' points, while simultaneously using their majority status to create and place systematic hierarchies on minority classes that favour in more patriarchal ruling towards said classes.
I don't think these women are smart enough to recognize that their thinly-veiled 'support' for these males, is actually generating a wedge for them to apply patriarchal standards on non-patriarchal systems (against the will of the people encompassed within those systems).
& in framing their pursuit as 'progression' (progression for whom, I wonder?),
Can deem their actions as virtuous and 'just', even if those benefits ONLY apply to the oppressive majority pressuring, & not the oppressed minority being pressured.
"TiMs aren't going to risk confrontation with another male being present in the mix,"
Good point.
progression for whom, I wonder?
Quite.
The big money question, and the elephant in the room that nobody wants to answer.
Almost as if the fundamentals of their movement is built on a house of cards,
Quaint, isn't it.
Honestly? Jettisoning femsoc.
I'm betting there are a lot of women who've been socialized into this nonsense. Certainly there's a core contingent of true believers, but this whole "movement" has relied, from the beginning, on stealth, then fiat, all with incredible levels of social pressure and threats of ostracism.
Nothing. The ones who have woken up are already there, then there's those who never fell for it or thought live and let live. But rabid ID political types will just find a new cause to uplift men with, or the TQ will go underground again which will give them more minority ammunition when they eventually pop up again. Whackamole type shit.
People underestimate how this is simply another symptom of the type of politics that constantly overtakes other movements and sabotages them. At the end it boils down to uplifting men over anything else
For anybody pulled into the belief that men can be women/boys can be girls a handmaiden will have to find a spine. As hard as I've heard and read that it is for a person who decided they were trans then realised their mistake and desisted.....I think it may be just as difficult for a trans supporter/handmaiden to admit they were wrong. My daughter supports her son who believes he's female.....because her love & responsibility is bigger than her ability to see reality but one of my other children let slip one day that she had wished she had her boy back so maybe there's a kernel of resistance under the kindness but.....I believe now that any desistance will have to come from my grandson but I know he's probably too far down that rabbit hole.
Probably transing their own kids and seeing how miserable they are years down the road. Then again, some people thrive in cults and they don’t want to separate from that.
Parents of trans kids might be the staunchest supporters. Once youve castrated your son, you can't take that back. You have to dig in and double down.
Consider that they actually have narcissistic or other negative traits, and they aren't going to wake up.
When their own children are threatened by the genderwoo.
One would hope, but there’s also the chance they just trans their children.
It either has to harm them personally (ie becoming a trans widow or seeing a girl they love victimized by genderwoo). Or, the most likely scenario, it falls out of fashion.
Why don't we see these same SJWs screeching about Ukraine the way they used to? Because it stopped trending on social media, so they forgot about it and moved on to trendier issues like Gaza and trans shit. They'll drop this trans bullshit immediately when they stop getting upvotes and head pats for simping for TIMs. They'll stop transing their children when it no longer gets them glowing articles from the New York Times. That's the only way most of these handmaidens will let this go
The sheep-like behaviour is very depressing
Right?
Exactly. They like to take a stand for something that makes them feel good. They may believe they’re doing the right thing, but what keeps them going is more so having other people validate them in their “fight for justice”.
They’re drawn to praise and crumble when they don’t get enough of it. That’s why they aren’t consistent with their beliefs. Like how they say women should have control over their bodies but then want women to relinquish that control and allow males access to female bodies in various states of undress in single-sex spaces just because those males “feel like women” on the inside.
Very singularly focused, and that focus is always the popular one within their groups.
One of the worst things about the internet is the Like button. It is a dopamine hit. They get addicted to attention and want more and more and more.
You are so right about this.
I think it would only stop if they personally get hurt by it, not someone else. These people are narcissistic and they do it for the ass pats.
Excellent points. There's seemingly always been a cause-du-jour mentality there.
I cannot upvote your comment enough.