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Three months ago, on the Daily Show, Trevor Noah interviewed Veronica Ivy, the prominent female-identifying male athlete who has cheated many women cyclists out of their bit of glory in their own sports category.

The interview was amicable...for the most part, BUT, it was evident that Noah was not comfortable with some of the things that Ivy was saying, including his asserting that, if you believe that "trans women ARE women," then trans women (sic) always belong in women's sports without exception...no if, ands, or buts (I paraphrase here). Although Trevor Noah did not counter this, it was clear that he was not in the "Trans women ARE women" Rah! Rah! Camp.

Fast forward to two weeks ago. It's announced that Trevor is leaving the Daily Show.

Fast forward again to Jon Stewart's most recent edition of "The Problem with Jon Stewart" show. In this show, Stewart interviews a woman, a conservative Christian, I believe, who claimed that over 90% of all kids who "transition," would have ultimately successfully accepted their sexed bodies if they had not been introduced to trans ideology and had not received medicalized treatment.

Stewart was, of course, right to question this statistic. But, the dismissive and dehumanizing way in which he did so was far different than the way he had treated others who had held different ideological views when HE hosted the Daily Show.

He would have not even treated Bill O'Reilly that way.

Moreover, while it's right for him to question stats and assertions of ANY guest on his show, 1) why doesn't he invite prominent trans activists such as Grace Lavery, Andrea Long Chu, or even Dr. Jack Turban on his show, and rudely question their assertions?; and, 2) why doesn't Stewart invite on his show respected, gender critical figures on the left...people such as Kara Dansky, Helen Joyce, Kathleen Stockman, Carole Hooven, or Colin Wright?

Jon seems to have abandoned his once well-regarded approach of interviewing intelligent, well spoken people who disagree with him on extreme hot topic issues?

In any case, all of the above has caused me to question why Trevor Noah left the Daily Show. Was it the mundane reasons listed by legacy media? Or, was it because he could no longer host a show allegedly so devoted to the truth, while establishment progressives have been captured by gender identity ideology? Was it because he wanted to seek out the truth about the gender identity wars, but couldn't because of his loyalty to Jon Stewart, the founder of the Daily Show who first hired him? Or, was it because he was forced out by the show's producers when he was evidently beginning to have concerns about the new gender woo woo religion?

What's Up With the Daily Show?

Three months ago, on the Daily Show, Trevor Noah interviewed Veronica Ivy, the prominent female-identifying male athlete who has cheated many women cyclists out of their bit of glory in their own sports category. The interview was amicable...for the most part, BUT, it was evident that Noah was not comfortable with some of the things that Ivy was saying, including his asserting that, if you believe that "trans women ARE women," then trans women (sic) always belong in women's sports without exception...no if, ands, or buts (I paraphrase here). Although Trevor Noah did not counter this, it was clear that he was not in the "Trans women ARE women" Rah! Rah! Camp. Fast forward to two weeks ago. It's announced that Trevor is leaving the Daily Show. Fast forward again to Jon Stewart's most recent edition of "The Problem with Jon Stewart" show. In this show, Stewart interviews a woman, a conservative Christian, I believe, who claimed that over 90% of all kids who "transition," would have ultimately successfully accepted their sexed bodies if they had not been introduced to trans ideology and had not received medicalized treatment. Stewart was, of course, right to question this statistic. But, the dismissive and dehumanizing way in which he did so was far different than the way he had treated others who had held different ideological views when HE hosted the Daily Show. He would have not even treated Bill O'Reilly that way. Moreover, while it's right for him to question stats and assertions of ANY guest on his show, 1) why doesn't he invite prominent trans activists such as Grace Lavery, Andrea Long Chu, or even Dr. Jack Turban on his show, and rudely question their assertions?; and, 2) why doesn't Stewart invite on his show respected, gender critical figures on the left...people such as Kara Dansky, Helen Joyce, Kathleen Stockman, Carole Hooven, or Colin Wright? Jon seems to have abandoned his once well-regarded approach of interviewing intelligent, well spoken people who disagree with him on extreme hot topic issues? In any case, all of the above has caused me to question why Trevor Noah left the Daily Show. Was it the mundane reasons listed by legacy media? Or, was it because he could no longer host a show allegedly so devoted to the truth, while establishment progressives have been captured by gender identity ideology? Was it because he wanted to seek out the truth about the gender identity wars, but couldn't because of his loyalty to Jon Stewart, the founder of the Daily Show who first hired him? Or, was it because he was forced out by the show's producers when he was evidently beginning to have concerns about the new gender woo woo religion? What's Up With the Daily Show?

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[–] hellamomzilla 61 points Edited

Trevor and Stewart are comedians pretending to be journalists. I have never understood why people pretend that they're anything approaching journalists.

It's not their fault the US media journalism has become a joke.

Comedians are people who can (usually) cut through 40 pounds of bullshit with 5 words. That's what made TDS so brilliant.

I'm sorry to see JS go for the woo.

Jon Stewart was always questionable with his both-sidesism. He could be funny but he was never my guide for what to believe.

No media person should ever be your guide for what to believe. A good one will be your guide to the material out there, that will help you come to the best conclusions you can. Stewart, like Colbert, was at his best when he presented the GOP and mainstream media's own material, demonstrating their idiocy.

It's not surprising. They were both far too dangerous to the status quo, to not rain money down and blunt their swords.

Me too. I still think wistfully back to that time that he went on Crossfire and called Tucker Carlson a partisan hack. "Stop. You're hurting America." Lol.

The statistic is (mostly) correct. A study of boys with gender dysphoria concluded that 60-80% naturally desist. But unfortunately, we’re dealing with a new cohort of “trans” where the social transition occurs so young and desistance is negated because these kids have trusted adults “affirming” their identity for years.

Trevor Noah may not believe TWAW, but he’s a coward for not speaking up.

Jon Stewart purposely hired young, woke inexperienced writers for this show. And it shows.

There are multiple studies and they show a desistance rate of between 60-90%. The woman interviewed took the high figure.

Of course those studies were done when there was much more rigorous investigation of a child's claim of being transgender, not the current affirm everything world we live in.

There are multiple studies and they show a desistance rate of between 60-90%. The woman interviewed took the high figure

Its also hard to cite numbers because being GNC wasn't typically pathologized before. Parents didn't run crying to a pediatrician or a therapist if Timmy liked his sister's Barbies or Hayley refused to wear the frilly dress to church. Kids were just....allowed to exist and work through their weird phases. Now we have medical professionals chomping at the bit to get every depressed gay kid on the transition pathway. And we have brainwashed parents running to a therapist to "fix" it if their son plays with nail polish or their daughter wants to cut her hair and play football

Yeah, I feel like it's a lot harder for kids these days to back out if they've publicly been "out" for so many years and received so much positive attention for it. Then they see what happens to detransitioners and they're scared to say anything.

Also their cognitive development was likely affected if they were transed young and put on puberty blockers. Some of them may never really fully understand the crimes committed against them. I remember in the 80s I watched a sappy after school special or tv movie about a guy adopting or maybe being the social worker or something for a kid with fetal alcohol syndrome and the poignant final scene was like the kid's 18th birthday and him making a comment that he was old enough to drink now and the guy was just taken aback but couldn't say anything. Like, the kid was mentally disabled by alcohol and would never be able to understand how it had poisoned him in the womb, he just associated it as a fun thing adults were allowed to do and now he could too.

All these captured trans kids remind me of that.

Yeah, I feel like it's a lot harder for kids these days to back out if they've publicly been "out" for so many years and received so much positive attention for it.

And I imagine its even worse for the kids who's transitions are all over social media and the ones who are coerced into being activists for the trans cause. Not to mention the ones who were transitioned so young that they barely remember living life as their birth sex!

For goodness sake, I had a hard time admitting to my parents that I lost interest in Pokémon after I had them buy me lots of Pokémon crap. I can't imagine how much harder it is for these kids to admit that transitioning was a mistake!

I think most parents realize kids are gonna grow out of things, plus at least that stuff has some resale value!

TN talks about male violence against his mother in his book.

He also goes on about using porn.

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i'll say this wherever trevor noah is posted. he is a disgusting racist and sexist who refuses to apologise for what he said about the traditional owners of my country.

"All women of every race can be beautiful, and I know some of you are sitting there now going, 'Oh Trevor, yeah, but I've never seen a beautiful Aborigine'. Yeah, but you know what you say? You say 'yet'. That's what you say; 'yet'. Because you haven't seen all of them, right? Plus it's not always about looks. Maybe Aborigine women do special things? Maybe they'll just like, jump on top of you?"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-26/trevor-noah-refuses-to-apologise-for-joke-about-indigenous-women/10038876

Sometimes I just despair. It's taken so much as a given that women only have value if they serve men's interest in some way (usually sexually)... that he can just say this, thinking it's a nice joke and he's being complimentary like, "see, Aborigine women have value too because some of them can probably serve men's interests!"

None of y'all needed that spelled out but I just felt compelled to state the subtext.

we’re dealing with a new cohort of “trans” where the social transition occurs so young and desistance is negated because these kids have trusted adults “affirming” their identity for years.

^ scary but true. This makes me so sad and angry

The same thought about Noah’s departure crossed my mind. After watching his Ivy interview, my feelings toward him actually improved, which I was not expecting at all. Because I totally went into it knowing he was going to just be a wokey kiss ass, but he actually asked questions with some edge to them. His tone and body language toward Ivy were also frosty enough that even my oblivious self picked it up.

I think his interview ended up giving way too much exposure to the ideology than the TRAs could ever want. It made thousands of viewers peak, if this comment section means anything: https://youtu.be/-Fb48tivB-0.

So I would not be surprised if he displeased the powers-that-be enough to yank him off the air. TN is, at root, a standup comedian, and he probably gets more inspiration from someone like Chappelle than Stewart.

Wokebro politics tend to alienate non-whites because the pretentiousness of it all only appeals to communities that put high value on looking the part of the righteous. Noah is smart enough to see through this. He probably peaked when he realized jokes that basically write themselves (like Lia Thomas) are completely off-limits to him.

The timing of his departure juxtaposed with Jon Stewart’s insane foray into the “what is a woman?” discourse is very interesting.

Watching that man sit next to Trevor Noah, looking like a refrigerator in comparison to him, and insist he's a female and a woman like nothing is off about that is fucking wild.

Thanks for linking, I hadn't seen this interview. I couldn't stop cringing though. "What a woman is, is based on white women's conception of femininity" as if any women get to set the standard rather than have those standards put on us. To lumping in transwomen with intersex women when those are different people- which seems purposefully manipulative.

I did like that Noah says right away it's impossible to hold a simple conversation on the topic. So people who aren't us have noticed that too.

It was a rare instance of a good comments section. There is one comment in particular that struck me - from a woman who said she originally watched it when it aired on tv and was glad to see the comments because it made her feel less crazy.

I watched the interview earlier in the year when it came out, and just tried to watch it again but as soon as I heard the voice of Veronica/Rachel/Rhys I got sooo uncomfortable. I’ll try to persevere.

I stopped watching TDS not long after he took over, just didn't find him very engaging, so I never saw that interview - so I went to that link just now, and wow was that painful. I'm not sure it made me like Trevor Noah any more though... It just reminded me how much these shows pander in general. When it's something you already agree on, sometimes you don't notice as much, but jeez, he can barely manage to loft even the most tentative softballs, and the crowd is just a blind fanbase for the guest. There is no real discussion or discourse.

I do often feel that way with other late night hosts - I sort of half-watch or sometimes watch Colbert, or John Oliver or Seth Myers, depending if there's other stuff to watch or who the guests are or whatever, and some segments can be rough. Positions are established, there are good guys and bad guys, the audience knows who to root for, it doesn't matter if there are contradictory claims or other news they're ignoring... I've been grateful Colbert hasn't been addressing trans stuff too much for a while, he kind of got quieter about it rather than picking up steam over the last year... but maybe with jon stewart going all out, that's about to end.

Overall, even so much as mentioning JKR or Dave Chappelle is walking on thin ice, or talking about women's rights without slipping some inclusive language in at some point... I used to think the claims of "PC" liberal media were nuts and now I feel like I am losing more and more trust in anything the established left claim...

inclusive language in at some point... I used to think the claims of "PC" liberal media were nuts and now I feel like I am losing more and more trust in anything the established left claim

Yes yes a thousand times yes

Celebrities don't live in the real world. It's impossible to overstate what a strange, abnormal existence they have. A guy like Jon Stewart will not have been affected by the issues of normal life for decades. Trevor Noah has been rich and famous for long enough to be somewhat tainted by that world but he came from a humble enough background, I think, that this may have been a bridge too far. Still, the fact that he agreed to have Rhys McKinnon on his show in the first place showed that he was either bullied into it by producers or that he was trying to be a "good famous liberal" but his mask slipped during the interview when the cognitive dissonance got to be too much.

[–] OneStarWolf 28 points Edited

I have heard conservatives bringing up critiques about left wingers and democrats appearing out of touch and elitist for many years now. Even back during my super dem, Hillary vs Trump, super left, vote all Blue days... I knew even back then they had a valid point.

It's gotten even worse now with gender ideologues and pretending there's zero debate. It honestly makes democrats look insane and anti-science (when they used to be so proud about always "following the science"). The haughtiness and derision towards anyone who even slightly disagrees with gender theory and the current dem direction is just off the charts.

Jon Stewart is SO disappointing in how he's embodying that exact hateful, left wing caricature now. Pretending he's above all discussion and debate and automatically the side of righteousness and must demean and laugh at perceived lessers.

It's really gross and I think pushes the political divide even further apart in this country. It's especially alienating to moderates (the majority..). Shame on him and all democrats who act like that. I'm tired of the divisiveness and hatred.

[–] Nediljka_Orwell PITA crone 16 points

I remember when he went on Crossfire in 2004 and gently scolded the hosts there (one of which was a baby faced Tucker Carlson) for being "partisan hacks" who were "hurting America" instead of helping.

The same could be said of him now.

Oooh, yep. Great point. Someone should photoshop his face on Tuckers from that segment, lol.

Its crazy how the tables have turned. For all his faults, Carlson is one of the few mainstream media figures who will platform GC feminists and give them credit for their work. Whereas Stewart is bowing before the trans cult and spreading the lie that any woman who doesn't want a dick in her locker room is just a hateful bigot

The funniest example is Colbert saying that high gas prices are no big deal because people can just buy electric cars. 🤣

Woke just isn’t funny. This is pretty much a law of nature. And people do not like being preached at or condescended to or insulted intellectually and that is the only currency woke has.

Plus, average liberal-voting people are probably getting this type of shit rammed down their throats at their workplaces with all the “inclusive” bullshit and do not choose to watch more of the same on their own time.

Woke just isn’t funny. This is pretty much a law of nature. And people do not like being preached at or condescended to or insulted intellectually and that is the only currency woke has.

Right. It's why The Babylon Bee so quickly became not funny, after having a few hits. It's run by conservative Christians, so they never had a chance.

Much like MAGA, Woke is a combination of dishonesty and bitterness. The bitterness comes from the outrage of people not quite believing the dishonest bullshit.

MAGA and Woke are both incredibly smug, too. Very off-putting.

Trevor wasn't getting good ratings, he probably left because the show is getting cancelled. Samantha Bee had already been cancelled, I think the audience for live late night political shows is near zero for gen z.

The Sam Bee stuff makes me sad. I actually really enjoyed her show before she decided to go all in on pro- “trans kid” politics without any sympathy to the other side. I wonder how much her ratings dipped after that? I definitely stopped watching. Makes me sad because the industry is soooo oversaturated by men, but alas.

[–] Fury 21 points

This is like asking "Why did Rachel Maddow lie about Russia?" They're paid propagandists for the neo-liberal industrial complex. That's why. It's the totality of what they do professionally.

Can I get a tldr on the Rachel Maddow thing? Havent watched her in yearsbut used to. Just cannot stomach any news sources that use dramatic pauses or insert opinions/emotions into it. But I havent heard this particular thing about her lol

Same. I cannot stand her dramatic antics and this is why I no longer watch her.

I swear before she had her own show she was pretty good. I enjoyed watching her stuff back when she wasike a correspondent for Kieth Olbermann I want to say. Then she took over his time slot IIRC and just basically turned into him, but perhaps more condescending and less angry.

He went into it further on his Twitter, but here's a write up on one aspect of that situation: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/a-court-ruled-rachel-maddows-viewers

Pointing to Putin apologist Greenwald objecting to Maddow’s “Russia” views as a good argument is SOMETHING ELSE. I know we have Putin apologists here but this takes the absolute cake.

Thank you for posting this. I've had the same speculative questions running through my mind. Glad it's not just me. IF Trevor Noah left because of "progressive" ideological views I hope he finds the courage to speak up and support the gender critical crowd.

PLEASE Trevor, make your next stand up special about making fun of this woe liberal nonsense.

His other specials that I've seen - Son of Patricia and Afraid of the Dark were very funny. He would be such a gift to the sane side of things.

In any case, all of the above has caused me to question why Trevor Noah left the Daily Show. Was it the mundane reasons listed by legacy media? Or, was it because he could no longer host a show allegedly so devoted to the truth, while establishment progressives have been captured by gender identity ideology? Was it because he wanted to seek out the truth about the gender identity wars, but couldn't because of his loyalty to Jon Stewart, the founder of the Daily Show who first hired him? Or, was it because he was forced out by the show's producers when he was evidently beginning to have concerns about the new gender woo woo religion?

What's Up With the Daily Show?

Television is all about ratings/viewership and ad revenues. All those tanked with Noah as host. All of the stock "liberal" late night shows are having trouble, but Noah's ratings were in the toilet.

Noah’s premiere episode as The Daily Show host in September 2015 garnered 3.47 million viewers, directly on par with Jon Stewart’s final episode a month prior.

That year, The Daily Show averaged 1.1 million viewers, lagging somewhat behind broadcast shows like NBC’s The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon (3.78 million), CBS’ The Late Show With Stephen Colbert (3.17 million) and ABC’s Jimmy Kimmel Live! (2.53 million), according to Variety.

By August of this year [2022], The Daily Show averaged just 383,000 viewers, a 65% drop from its 2015 ratings and a far lower figure than any network late-night programs, according to Nielsen ratings published by The Wrap.

Fox News’ Gutfield!—a conservative show that launched last year [2021]—averaged 2.19 million viewers last month [September], followed by Colbert with 2.16 million (down 31% from 2015), Fallon with 1.34 million (down 64%) and Kimmel—which was on hiatus for part of the month—with 1.14 million (down 54%), according to The Wrap.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2022/09/30/how-late-night-talk-ratings-cratered-during-trevor-noahs-daily-show-era/?sh=5ae4af716c15

In Stewart’s final 2015 season, “The Daily Show” drew 1.309 million total viewers per episode. Over the past 12 months, Noah averaged 372,000 viewers — nearly 1 million fewer, or 72 percent. The show is down 81 percent in ratings in the key demographic of adults 18-49.

https://www.indiewire.com/2022/10/trevor-noah-the-daily-show-ratings-replacement-1234768350/

and, 2) why doesn't Stewart invite on his show respected, gender critical figures on the left...people such as Kara Dansky, Helen Joyce, Kathleen Stockman, Carole Hooven, or Colin Wright?

Because he's a shill. And he won't go against the party line. Even back in the day, Daily Show was notorious for taking Conservatives completely out of context to make them look clownish and Stewart look smart. He may have done some respectful interviews with figures like Bill O'Reilly. But that was back when liberals still at least pretended to believe in free speech and debate. That's all gone now.

And he'll NEVER bring in GC liberals like Joyce or Dansky because the party line is that anyone who doesn't celebrate the modern trans cult is a Bible-thumping, homophobic, right-wing idiot. Stewart won't upset that narrative by bringing on a liberal woman who isn't a simpering handmaiden. He'd be canceled in an instant if he even thought about it

Maybe Stewart had integrity at some point. But its long gone now

In any case, all of the above has caused me to question why Trevor Noah left the Daily Show. Was it the mundane reasons listed by legacy media? Or, was it because he could no longer host a show allegedly so devoted to the truth

I HIGHLY doubt Noah cares enough about the truth to quit a sweet gig like the Daily Show over it. He doesn't seem that principled. Its far more likely that his lack of talent finally forced Comedy Central to dump him. I would LOVE to be proven wrong and see Noah come out in favor of the GC position. But I don't see it happening (especially if he plans to work in that industry again)

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