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[–] Mandy 104 points Edited

I think these men also seriously overestimated the percentage of women who are lesbians.

By which I mean, in their fantasies lesbians were everywhere all around them, constantly having hot sex with each other ,which these men, too, could join in with once they became 'women'.

And stereotypically "hot" lesbians too. I've seen TiMs complain that "cis" lesbians don't try hard enough to look conventionally attractive, some were downright angry that these women were wasting their "cis" privilege.

Who would have thought that grown women don't want to dress like pornified fourteen year old girls?

In addition to that I don’t often see lesbians who demand their partners wax every inch of their bodies and shove themselves into tight uncomfortable impractical clothing. It seems as though women who love other women (unlike straight men), actually enjoy how they naturally look.

This just highlights the fact that 99% of these transbians don't make the effort to be "hot" that they expect of lesbians (how very male). They often only go for the most sexualized elements of women's grooming habits and clothing. They'll swipe on some lipstick, wear thigh-high socks with a mini skirt, and, of course, put on women's underwear. But somehow, they can't be arsed to shampoo their hair or get on a skincare regimen.

I agree with you, it seems that (most) lesbians are not attracted to women in the way that (most) men are, i.e. an object. WLW, at least in my experience, love women as women. It's a whole different ballgame that straight men cannot possibly understand. Especially men who are so pornsick they vainly attempt to transform themselves into the object of their desire.

[–] ItsCalculated 40 points Edited

As a lesbian, how you present yourself to feel good and confident doesn't subscribe to patriarchal beauty standards.

As a lesbian, how you present yourself to express your personality doesn't subscribe to patriarchal beauty standards.

As a lesbian, how you present yourself to attract other lesbians doesn't subscribe to patriarchal beauty standards.

See a trend here?

Lesbians are already a small percentage of the population, and TIMs seemingly will only consider high femmes who are a minority of a minority. I remember shortly after peaking thinking these men were deluded just in terms of numbers, never mind that lesbians don't do dick.

I read a statistic that estimated 3% of men had AGP and there's like 1.5% of lesbians in the population... No wonder all the lesbian apps and forums are all sausage now

Maybe it's where I live but most lesbians are femme or in the middle but lean towards femme. They just don't look like instagram models like most women because no one has time to do that routine everyday. Butch and masculine lesbians are rare in my experience

Let them just fuck each other. After all, genitals don't matter, ami rite? They can go smear lipstick on each other all night, to become perfect women.

These men aren't really lesbians though, even according to their definitions. They want to play the woman's sexual role, which they think is submissive as it's found in a heterosexual interaction. Lesbian sex AFAIK does not involve "tops" and "bottoms." So they're attracted to women, because they're heterosexual men, but the role they want in sex is that of a submissive woman in a heterosexual interaction. If you ever read stories from transwidows, they recount their AGP husbands asking for domination or strap-ons, which flies in the face of most real lesbian sexuality. Even if TIMs were somehow real women, they don't actually want lesbian sex. They want straight sex, as acted out in porn, with them as the woman (bottom) and the real woman partner as top.

I'm sure porn is to blame. When I was a teen porn mostly involved heterosex and was extremely tame. Never even thought about threesomes with other women etc. No men talked about it. No girls kissing for male approval.

There was lesbian and orgy porn all the way back in the 70s. Not sure how popular it was though.

[–] ProxyMusic 18 points Edited

But people had to pay and usually go out of their way to seedy smut shops and wankfest theaters to see most porn in the 70s, particularly hardcore stuff. Whereas now a never-ending array of all kinds of violent depraved porn on video is available for free and instantly from pretty much anywhere via smart phones, tablets and computers.

The larping men don't seem to realize that lesbians are only about 2% of women. Even for other lesbians that is a tiny dating pool. For men, including the men who say they are "trans lesbians", zero lesbians will ever want them. To reiterate - the lesbian dating pool for men who say they are "lesbians" is 0%.

And even bi and het women who lie and falsely call themselves "lesbian", and would date the larping men, is a miniscule percent.

This is why it is important that, whenever they have to hear anything outside their hugbox echo chambers, that everyone keeps hammering away at them that no lesbians will ever want any of them and that any women they manage to inflict themselves on are all bi or het.

[–] Mintie 39 points Edited

This is why it is important that, whenever they have to hear anything outside their hugbox echo chambers, that everyone keeps hammering away at them that no lesbians will ever want any of them and that any women they manage to inflict themselves on are all bi or het.

While this is true, we should also acknowledge that young, vulnerable lesbians are being taught by these pornsick males to accept transwomen into their dating pool and even date them to show that they're not bigots. It's modern conversion therapy, and since most of not all of the older lesbians have been driven away from lesbian spaces, young lesbians have nobody but men to turn to for advice.

It really is modern conversion therapy. My aunt is a lesbian and she was born in 1960. She got the "hearts not parts" lecture (ie if you can love Steve as a friend, why can't you also love him as a boyfriend/husband?) and was guilted into seeking out a husband (which, shockingly, didn't end well).

This trans nonsense is the modern day version of that. The only difference is that modern lesbians are told that they need to pretend that a man in a wig is a woman (instead of just being told they need to date men in order to be normal)

and since most of not all of the older lesbians have been driven away from lesbian spaces, young lesbians have nobody but men to turn to for advice.

I think this was by design. Demonize the wise, older women who can smell male bullshit. And then convince the young girls that those old lesbians are just dumb boomer TERFs who shouldnt be listened to because they don't understand how ~QwEeR~ culture has evolved.

The sad irony is that many older lesbians had ill fated relationships with men, husbands, etc. Because living openly as a lesbian just wasn't an option for them if they wanted to be socially accepted in mainstream society. And now we have this bizarro inverse situation where modern lesbians have to suck dick in order to be accepted in "queer" society.

I think this was by design. Demonize the wise, older women who can smell male bullshit. And then convince the young girls that those old lesbians are just dumb boomer TERFs who shouldnt be listened to because they don't understand how ~QwEeR~ culture has evolved.

Yes, and the ageist, misogynistic demonization and portrayal of older women as just a bunch of dumb boomer TERFs who are all old and out of touch extends to pretty much all of us, not just to lesbians.

There are even posters on Ovarit who delight in taking gratituitous potshots at older women. Just this week, a poster used the Balenciaga bondage bear scandal to say that "geriatric women"who are "old and out of touch" must be to blame for Balenciaga's advertising and marketing decisions, even though the company like the majority of luxury high fashion houses is run by men. When I challenged the poster on her ageism, she doubled down insisting that older women she slags off as "geriatric" can't possibly know as much about male sexual depravity, male abuse and male sex crimes as younger women who've come of age more recently can.

It's a terrible situation all around, and it's disheartening to know that it'll only get worse before it had a chance to get better.

The larping men don't seem to realize that lesbians are only about 2% of women. Even for other lesbians that is a tiny dating pool.

All they know about women comes from porn. Porn is choc full of stereotypically pornified hot women who are supposedly "lesbians" and do sexxxay things to please the male gaze. That is what the larping men expect to encounter.

I wonder what the pool of "spicy straight" poly women is at. That's probably their best chance tbh

no lesbians will ever want any of them and that any women they manage to inflict themselves on are all bi or het

Or some of them actually are lesbian, and are forcing themselves to date a trans woman so they don't have to think of themselves as a bigot.

[–] GCRadFem 51 points

This is such a good article.

Absolutely no one has benefited from encouraging the delusion that men can magically become women. The end result, no lesbians for TIMS.

An incel is an incel.

The only people who have benefited is those wishing to relieve uppity women of shelters devoid of men, or a sense of security in a woman's changing room.

And bathrooms which also give them access to young girls and boys.

Other religions like to promise women to those men who could lay claim to being particularly devout. This is bog standard patriarchy. Rinse, repeat.

"Do this and you'll be rewarded with women, you know, because they are objects for sale like a commodity."

I came here to say this. This sounds very much like how islam promises 72 underage virgins in heaven.

the 72 virgins shit is really what sold me that Islam is a nonsense male sexual fantasy religion.

the islamic heaven has absolutely no benefit for women. we are damned if we do, damned if we don't. if you don't obey islam, you will burn in hell for eternity, and if you are a devout muslim, you will have to watch your husband fuck 72 virgins while you just watch.

I know an ex muslim and he said some schools of thought say the women also get 72 hot male virgins lol what a weird belief

I haven't read anywhere that Houris (the women waiting for Muslim men in Heaven) are underage. They're only described as having beautiful eyes and being untouched by men.

There are hadiths about houris with budding/swelling breasts, but the interpretations are contested. There are definitely hadiths that talk about their breasts tho.

[–] Nediljka_Orwell PITA crone 32 points

Gay rights, female enfranchisement, and desegregation took ages, and had to be built from the ground up via speeches and rallies where the favour of majorities was won. Only then did these movements take their cases to the courts. Trans activists went straight to the politicians, avoiding the painstaking process of convincing women to extend access to their spaces, identities and bodies.

With checkbooks in hand, to predominately male politicians, I might add. That's where it all began, and that's where it's going to end: with women telling the politicians that she/her/woman/girl is taken by females. Those terms and their sex based rights are ours. TRAs and politicians do not get to redefine us to suit their agendas, their bleeding hearts, their psycho needs.

It's so profoundly narcissistic and demented to try to become the women you want to fuck, even though you know that's impossible and you're deluding yourself, and then blame those women for not wanting to date you, let alone fuck you.

[–] Lipsy i/just/can't 20 points Edited

lipsy presents TRUE BUT UNHELPFUL FACTS 2022-11-30

The Greek island of Lesbos, onetime home of Sappho, has about 83,000 permanent residents at present.
so HAH in fact ••YES THERE ARE•• slightly over forty thousand Lesbians with penises.

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The shores of Lesbos have taken on about 30,000 of the recent wave of Syrian migrant refugees, too.
These have been about 2:1 m:F, so, if we're counting these very newest comers as also Lesbians then the population of Lesbians with penises has swollen quite a bit more. If i hafta give a hard number, 60,000 now.

Will enclose extra bucks to WoLF as penance for all of those most unwelcome of all puns... ((backs away slowly))

Jokes aside... It's very disturbing how many more males escaped as refugees and are driving up male populations in previously 'balanced' places by the thousands. Sad to this on Lesbos of all islands, there are more males than females, by significant amount, too. Seems so wrong, somehow.

I like it when countries refuse to take unattached males as refugees (meaning the males must be accompanied by female family members).

We need a "haha" react in here.

[–] Lipsy i/just/can't 1 points

Two of those crickets assured me, in no uncertain terms and quite articulately, that they were laughing!

With me, not at me!

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[–] Tortoisemouse 14 points Edited

Good article but slightly implies that if these men did indeed pass as women, there wouldn't be a problem (for them or for us).

Even TiMs who "pass" are still men and no lesbian will want them regardless of how much of a trompe l'oeil they manage to achieve using make-up/surgery/butchery etc.

Also, trans ideology itself seems to have gone beyond "passing" or "non-passing". Even the most masculine-presenting, bearded, broad-shouldered, deep-voice bloke can suddenly become a wimmins just by putting on a wig (?) or even by saying the magic words "I identify as.....". And if lesbians don't want them, the lesbians are the problem.

Passing now seems beside the point, doesn't it?

Trans "women" rarely pass. And yet society has invested heavily in convincing them that they can.

When they advise each other on how to get with lesbians (real ones!) they make a big point of saying that they have to be clearly "passing" to ever have "cis lesbians" be interested in dating them.

Incels, meaning voluntarily incelibate men,

I think this is a typo, but it feels weirdly apposite. Honestly if they could just stop being so fucking incelibate they'd probably get laid.

I've seen all kinds of people in relationships. These men invariably have the idea that only super hot people date and get married, but it's just not true. People who have all levels of attractiveness, underweight, overweight, abled, disabled -- you name it, they're partnered up, and you know why? Because they're not utterly repulsive pieces of entitled human refuse.

Well actually a lot of them are but, they have the sense to hide it until their hooks are dug in.

My first reaction upon seeing the title of this article was "ewwwww", but now I can't stop laughing at this typo. 🤣

And lower their standards. I like how a woman is supposed to lower her standards to accept him, but he'll be damned if he does the same. They fume furiously "why should we have to sleep with someone we're not attracted to?!". Why indeed.

[–] Peppermint 1 points Edited

I seriously think "incels" are voluntary celibate. Just from experience been stalked by one. He wouldn't go and find another girl he was fixated on me for over a decade.

Many of these losers can find someone. It won't be the porn star girl of their dreams but it will be someone. If you have a big enough heart and worthy of love you will find someone out there.

99% of the time it's their personality, their "vibe" or their lack of grooming. It usually has nothing to do with their genetic physical appearance. I know it can be very difficult for men with certain disabilities like autism so I have some empathy for those kinds of incels. I believe my brother is on the spectrum and he has difficulty with women too.

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 2 points

It’s back to front. Incel means involuntary celibate. That’s their whole schtick, that they can’t get laid.

[–] MissBehaved 6 points Edited

But that's the thing, at least for most of them SOMEONE would be willing to have sex with them. They reject the women who would, not to mention their personalities are unanimously repulsive. They are only 'celibate' because they are so porn-brained that they expect a walking blow-up doll to come along and beg for their 🤏 basic dick.

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 5 points

Some of them even call themselves incels even when they have girlfriends, because they want pornstars. There was one who was mentioned on Manboobz who demanded his mother sexually service him. Lived in Eastern Europe iirc.

They thought simply shouting, "I am a female lesbian now! Come and get me, ladies!" would cause a mob of lesbians to rush to their mothers basements and engage in sexy pillow fight orgies. Because all their knowledge of lesbians comes from porn

Maybe they should take up jobs as porn actors. That way they can "live" their fantasies (and in the process, maybe learn how hellish and distorting that industry is)

From what I've seen of some of them in their own selfies, unless they plan on going into humiliation porn, I don't think they'll do very well there.

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