And stereotypically "hot" lesbians too. I've seen TiMs complain that "cis" lesbians don't try hard enough to look conventionally attractive, some were downright angry that these women were wasting their "cis" privilege.
Who would have thought that grown women don't want to dress like pornified fourteen year old girls?
In addition to that I don’t often see lesbians who demand their partners wax every inch of their bodies and shove themselves into tight uncomfortable impractical clothing. It seems as though women who love other women (unlike straight men), actually enjoy how they naturally look.
This just highlights the fact that 99% of these transbians don't make the effort to be "hot" that they expect of lesbians (how very male). They often only go for the most sexualized elements of women's grooming habits and clothing. They'll swipe on some lipstick, wear thigh-high socks with a mini skirt, and, of course, put on women's underwear. But somehow, they can't be arsed to shampoo their hair or get on a skincare regimen.
I agree with you, it seems that (most) lesbians are not attracted to women in the way that (most) men are, i.e. an object. WLW, at least in my experience, love women as women. It's a whole different ballgame that straight men cannot possibly understand. Especially men who are so pornsick they vainly attempt to transform themselves into the object of their desire.
As a lesbian, how you present yourself to feel good and confident doesn't subscribe to patriarchal beauty standards.
As a lesbian, how you present yourself to express your personality doesn't subscribe to patriarchal beauty standards.
As a lesbian, how you present yourself to attract other lesbians doesn't subscribe to patriarchal beauty standards.
See a trend here?
Lesbians are already a small percentage of the population, and TIMs seemingly will only consider high femmes who are a minority of a minority. I remember shortly after peaking thinking these men were deluded just in terms of numbers, never mind that lesbians don't do dick.
I read a statistic that estimated 3% of men had AGP and there's like 1.5% of lesbians in the population... No wonder all the lesbian apps and forums are all sausage now
Maybe it's where I live but most lesbians are femme or in the middle but lean towards femme. They just don't look like instagram models like most women because no one has time to do that routine everyday. Butch and masculine lesbians are rare in my experience
Let them just fuck each other. After all, genitals don't matter, ami rite? They can go smear lipstick on each other all night, to become perfect women.
These men aren't really lesbians though, even according to their definitions. They want to play the woman's sexual role, which they think is submissive as it's found in a heterosexual interaction. Lesbian sex AFAIK does not involve "tops" and "bottoms." So they're attracted to women, because they're heterosexual men, but the role they want in sex is that of a submissive woman in a heterosexual interaction. If you ever read stories from transwidows, they recount their AGP husbands asking for domination or strap-ons, which flies in the face of most real lesbian sexuality. Even if TIMs were somehow real women, they don't actually want lesbian sex. They want straight sex, as acted out in porn, with them as the woman (bottom) and the real woman partner as top.
I'm sure porn is to blame. When I was a teen porn mostly involved heterosex and was extremely tame. Never even thought about threesomes with other women etc. No men talked about it. No girls kissing for male approval.
There was lesbian and orgy porn all the way back in the 70s. Not sure how popular it was though.
But people had to pay and usually go out of their way to seedy smut shops and wankfest theaters to see most porn in the 70s, particularly hardcore stuff. Whereas now a never-ending array of all kinds of violent depraved porn on video is available for free and instantly from pretty much anywhere via smart phones, tablets and computers.
Interesting. I guess we just had very tame stuff!!
I think these men also seriously overestimated the percentage of women who are lesbians.
By which I mean, in their fantasies lesbians were everywhere all around them, constantly having hot sex with each other ,which these men, too, could join in with once they became 'women'.