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Here are 4 reasons Im suspicious: (apologies for formatting 😅)

1) When I saw his first fundraiser, it rubbed me the wrong way so I started googling. I remember reading an article about him being charged with harassment because he was stalking ex-scientologist women. I've been looking for that (I'll post when I find it, theres a lot of coverage of his recent activies making this hard) but along the way I found a bunch of FB comments or forum comments talking about him being a manipulator, befriending women to learn about them and later attacking them.

2) When he first stated getting GC attention, he initially flipped out at feminists and went on to block all of those questioning him. He we on to say something like "its good Im here, bc you need a bold man to aggressively fight the battle against gender ideology" when tons of women pointed out that feminists have been doing that for years, he got even more pissed.

3) He fundraisers are always a lot more money than needed for his trips IMO

4) He apparently has a job and a family but it seems he spends a HUGE amount of time (almost 24/7) on the road.

Hes been getting even more traction with orgs and well known GCs recently. I wish we had a bunch of receipts we could show ppl to warn them that hes not to be trusted. I'd love receipts of him flipping out at feminists and spewing MRA rhetoric on twitter, receipts of criminal charges and if possible, a cataloging of his fund raisers. And anything you find obviously.

I've found a few things but my sleuthing skills are minimal and I don't really have time to spend on this, will you pls help?

Thanks gyns <3

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wtf is this? i wouldnt do this if I was in his position, I wouldnt support pro choice feminists doing this to pro lifers for ex. https://twitter.com/Slatzism/status/1370761412008611847

Here's a FB post where a woman who was taken in by him talks about this pattern of behaviour https://www.facebook.com/groups/1097697983669219/permalink/1407298826042465/?comment_id=1407325562706458&reply_comment_id=1408239902615024

It is well established (by ex scientologists in high positions of power) that multiple times, they have auditioned females to be the gfs of celebrities under false pretences. Here is he is spreading scientolgist propaganda, denying this, as late as 2019. https://coreyjandrews.wordpress.com/2020/04/19/chris-elston-dares-to-question-karen-de-la-carriere/

Edit 2: found this great post by @YesthatAnna on here (Anna Slatz)

  • After the JK Rowling billboard was taken down, Chris began erecting more and more JK Rowling billboards despite the emerging hesitancy of feminist activists who rightly said that the tremendous amount of money he was raising and spending could better be served elsewhere (such as donations to VRR), and that it seemed like he was getting very egotistical. He was centring himself and his fame over the movement.

  • Chris then started blocking and harassing GC/RadFems en mass on twitter, claiming that GC Feminists and their slogans were TRAs. https://twitter.com/Kalesiwolf/status/1312735556774830080?s=20 one of MANYYYY examples. There is a reason feminists stopped associating with him at this time.

  • Chris threatened Meghan Murphy with lawsuits and cryptic threats for mildly criticising him. https://spinster.xyz/@meghanmurphy/posts/A1IqAnKTBwvs4fK7Yu

  • Chris also claimed Holly Hutton (organiser for GIDYVR) was in cahoots with Scientology. This is because she was interacting with Monique Rathbun, another former scientologist who Chris irrationally believes is laundering money for the church of Scientology. A few years ago, Chris launched a social media cancel campaign against this poor woman's business. https://alanzosblog.com/karen-de-la-carriere-caught-lying-again/

  • In October 2020, Chris was arrested after Police felt he was instigating chaos and provoking people at a protest. The protest had nothing to do with gender -- it was for Mi'qmak'i fishermen who had been subject to racist abuse by white fishermen in Nova Scotia. https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/vancouver-news/man-behind-controversial-jk-rowling-billboard-arrested-at-vancouver-protest-but-not-for-protesting-2823471

  • One video I found particularly upsetting was this one, which only got about 200 likes, where he actively follows a young female TRA. Yes, she is upset, but she is clearly trying to get away from him and he does not let her create distance between them. We may disagree with her, but we can also say this is shit journalism tactics. https://twitter.com/Slatzism/status/1370761412008611847?s=20

Here are 4 reasons Im suspicious: (apologies for formatting 😅) 1) When I saw his first fundraiser, it rubbed me the wrong way so I started googling. I remember reading an article about him being charged with harassment because he was stalking ex-scientologist women. I've been looking for that (I'll post when I find it, theres a lot of coverage of his recent activies making this hard) but along the way I found a bunch of FB comments or forum comments talking about him being a manipulator, befriending women to learn about them and later attacking them. 2) When he first stated getting GC attention, he initially flipped out at feminists and went on to block all of those questioning him. He we on to say something like "its good Im here, bc you need a bold man to aggressively fight the battle against gender ideology" when tons of women pointed out that feminists have been doing that for years, he got even more pissed. 3) He fundraisers are always a lot more money than needed for his trips IMO 4) He apparently has a job and a family but it seems he spends a HUGE amount of time (almost 24/7) on the road. Hes been getting even more traction with orgs and well known GCs recently. I wish we had a bunch of receipts we could show ppl to warn them that hes not to be trusted. I'd love receipts of him flipping out at feminists and spewing MRA rhetoric on twitter, receipts of criminal charges and if possible, a cataloging of his fund raisers. And anything you find obviously. I've found a few things but my sleuthing skills are minimal and I don't really have time to spend on this, will you pls help? Thanks gyns <3 Edit 1: wtf is this? i wouldnt do this if I was in his position, I wouldnt support pro choice feminists doing this to pro lifers for ex. https://twitter.com/Slatzism/status/1370761412008611847 Here's a FB post where a woman who was taken in by him talks about this pattern of behaviour https://www.facebook.com/groups/1097697983669219/permalink/1407298826042465/?comment_id=1407325562706458&reply_comment_id=1408239902615024 It is well established (by ex scientologists in high positions of power) that multiple times, they have auditioned females to be the gfs of celebrities under false pretences. Here is he is spreading scientolgist propaganda, denying this, as late as 2019. https://coreyjandrews.wordpress.com/2020/04/19/chris-elston-dares-to-question-karen-de-la-carriere/ Edit 2: found this great post by @YesthatAnna on here (Anna Slatz) > - After the JK Rowling billboard was taken down, Chris began erecting more and more JK Rowling billboards despite the emerging hesitancy of feminist activists who rightly said that the tremendous amount of money he was raising and spending could better be served elsewhere (such as donations to VRR), and that it seemed like he was getting very egotistical. He was centring himself and his fame over the movement. > - Chris then started blocking and harassing GC/RadFems en mass on twitter, claiming that GC Feminists and their slogans were TRAs. https://twitter.com/Kalesiwolf/status/1312735556774830080?s=20 one of MANYYYY examples. There is a reason feminists stopped associating with him at this time. > - Chris threatened Meghan Murphy with lawsuits and cryptic threats for mildly criticising him. https://spinster.xyz/@meghanmurphy/posts/A1IqAnKTBwvs4fK7Yu > - Chris also claimed Holly Hutton (organiser for GIDYVR) was in cahoots with Scientology. This is because she was interacting with Monique Rathbun, another former scientologist who Chris irrationally believes is laundering money for the church of Scientology. A few years ago, Chris launched a social media cancel campaign against this poor woman's business. https://alanzosblog.com/karen-de-la-carriere-caught-lying-again/ > - In October 2020, Chris was arrested after Police felt he was instigating chaos and provoking people at a protest. The protest had nothing to do with gender -- it was for Mi'qmak'i fishermen who had been subject to racist abuse by white fishermen in Nova Scotia. https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/vancouver-news/man-behind-controversial-jk-rowling-billboard-arrested-at-vancouver-protest-but-not-for-protesting-2823471 > - One video I found particularly upsetting was this one, which only got about 200 likes, where he actively follows a young female TRA. Yes, she is upset, but she is clearly trying to get away from him and he does not let her create distance between them. We may disagree with her, but we can also say this is shit journalism tactics. https://twitter.com/Slatzism/status/1370761412008611847?s=20

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[–] [Deleted] 30 points Edited

Check out this thread. You are right to be suspicious

Edit: also are you GNC Centric from youtube?? I love your content and activism with detransitioners!

haha i saw this after I quoted her post in my post! and yes thats me 😂thank you very much!

Chiming in to say it's so great to see you here! Your videos are fantastic.

Yeah, I understand GC people wanting more men to join the movement. But I think this man is someone we need to be weary of. I don't have any more links about Elston but I hope more people here can find them for you!

I'm honestly always very suspicious of men who get into GC activism. While I'm not saying they're all bad ofc, I think we need to be careful. I've seen a lot of women, even on here, embrace any man who is vaguely GC with open arms immediately. Personally I think quite a few are in it for the wrong reasons.

Elston supporters seem to be incapable of this simple mind function:

"Male allies can be great. This one is not."

There are a handful of male allies I can name off right now that are effective, women-focused, and have no history of problematic behaviour. And yet some women choose to throw their ideological mandates at the feet of men who have made it clear they could care less how much damage they do to feminism because they are not in it for feminism lmfao

Agreed. Male allies can be useful but they really need to be examined carefully. A woman has a lot to lose in this fight, men don't. Even if a man is in the fight because he does genuinely want to protect his own daughters, that doesn't mean he is overall a feminist ally or even good to other women. Personally I just need to see that one comment from Elston where he threatens Megan Murphy and I lose all interest in him, I don't want to work together with someone like that. We should stop thinking of the short term wins we can gain from working with men like this maybe, and look at the long term, if we allow too many dubious men to speak up for us I think it will harm us in the long term. Men tend to hijack and overtake everything they get involved in, we know that.

I'm a lot more positive about gay male allies btw, the few I've seen seemed genuine and respectful. They are after all personally affected by this as well, though much less than women.

I can't emphasize enough how humiliated and embarrassed I feel when I see other women here begging for scraps of attention from these men.

I don't know if it's begging for attention, but it seems to be the same pattern of women forgiving men for their behaviour constantly. Even the women here, who would rightfully criticise men for speaking over women, being overly agressive, centering themselves in women's topics etc, somehow give men a total pass for doing the same things as long as they say some gender critical stuff sometimes. I don't know what it is...

It’s very aggressive to follow someone, especially a woman, with a camera, and bait her. It’s disturbing that she’s trying to get away from him, screaming profanities, and giving him the finger. I LOATHE this style of filming as it’s so FCKING cowardly! The camera person isn’t shown, but others are forced to be on camera.

I don’t care if she screamed at him first. This does NOT give men license to follow a woman! The Twitter replies disgust me. I rarely say it’s victim blaming as I hate this term, but yes, it’s victim blaming! It reeks of “if she didn’t want to get hit, she shouldn’t have yelled at him!” kind of stuff. Saying he’s not an imposing man? It does NOT matter! Men are much stronger than women even if they are of similar height/build.

Yup. I don’t care what a woman says or how she might have “provoked” him. With the sound off, without context, the video is a woman being followed and harassed by a man, and nothing you can say will convince me the man is not the one in the wrong in such a situation, always. It is intimidating behavior by him and is completely unacceptable.

Why hello and a jolly yes indeed to all of your concerns.

This idea that we need to take in and support anyone who even remotely overlaps with us on any tiny fraction of our issues is destructive and toxic, I will say it again.

Chris is unwell. I will put money on that he will be charged with harassment, stalking, or inciting riots (AGAIN) and when he does it will be us Feminists who take the social credibility fall. And why? What is the reason we need to take this kind of fall? Because he is walking around with a** sandwich board**?

I am sorry, but his sandwich boards are not real activism. I don't know how many ways I need to say this for it to get through to some people -- but walking around with a provocative sandwich board and shoving a video camera in people's face is NOT activism. It is not. It is not. You cannot tell me that it is when there are women out there organising, fundraising, suing, donating, speaking, petitioning, and doing live action.

His sandwich board nonsense is twitter-level theatrics. It is not activism.

I agree with this. Supporting people like that makes us no better than TRAs who practically welcome harassers, rapists, pedophiles, and even murderers with open arms. There is something weird about how Elston is using this movement imo. If other women here want to support him, whatever. I guess he’s helping peak people at least. I just feel like we should be able to have discussions about the men in our community and how they affect it.

That's all.

For some reason, this seems to be too much for some women who are simply happy with whatever attention "we" get -- even if it is the worst possible attention, and does nothing (nada, zilch, zero) to actually advance any of our actual mandate.

This entire concept of "well at least HE'S doing something" is so blatantly misogynistic I can't even handle it.

I should not have to REMIND PEOPLE why good women activists are being ignored lmfao

(spoiler: it's because they're women)

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This entire concept of "well at least HE'S doing something" is so blatantly misogynistic I can't even handle it.

I should not have to REMIND PEOPLE why good women activists are being ignored lmfao

Not only that, but many good women activists are busting their butts behind the scenes - my knowledge is of the US, but I have no doubt same is true in other countries.

Agreed.

He should be exiled from our movement. Because what he's doing (following that woman, sending women abusive messages) is wrong. Additionally, he's a liability to us. We're going to take the fall for his stupid, abusive shit. There is literally no upside to this guy.

[–] YesthatAnna 0 points Edited

A random loner with a sandwich board in this day and age won't ping many activist flags but raise a hell of a lot of creepy weirdo flags no matter what cause they are advertising.

Agree, completely, Anna. And just want to say how much I appreciate your work!

Thank you, love! Keep an eye on 4W or my twitter tomorrow for a new investigation! MK is an kind woman for hosting the likes of me.

(But please heed the trigger warnings when you do see it)

[–] DiabolicalPinkBunny 👽💕🐇 12 points

its good Im here, bc you need a bold man to aggressively fight the battle against gender ideology

Well, he needs to piss off, then.

I just watched his interview with Arty Morty. To me he seems like he is genuinely concerned about schools and doctors transing kids with puberty blockers. He isn't someone who knows anything about feminism. It's more like he has an issue he cares about which overlaps with what we care about. I wouldn't expect him to share many of my views, but i'm glad he's doing his part in this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkc3nNlVGX0

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This is true, but I’m glad people are bringing up genuine concerns about him. I had no clue about the information shared in OP and just thought he was someone’s well-intentioned ol dad. He seems to have a strange pattern of behavior. I think we should be able to vet the men who want to work with us tbh.

He does sound like an asshole and not someone I’d want to work with or support with money. Still, if his video peaks more people, I’ll take it.

He did go on a blocking spree a while back during the JK Rowling Billboard thing.

After the JK Rowling billboard was taken down, Chris began erecting more and more JK Rowling billboards despite the emerging hesitancy of feminist activists who rightly said that the tremendous amount of money he was raising and spending could better be served elsewhere (such as donations to VRR) and that it seemed like he was getting very egotistical. He was centring himself and his fame over the movement.

If he specifically said he's raising money to put up JK Rowling billboards and he uses the money to put the billboards up then I'm not sure we can really blame him for using the money on that since that's what people gave him money to do. I would personally find it sleazy if someone raised money for a specific thing and then used it for something else even if it was for a good cause unless they got the permission of the people who gave them money in the first place.

I have heard references to some of the things but I haven't heard of all the details so thank you for the sources.

The other day a tumblr post came across my dash that was talking about the dangers of susceptibility to cults, and how often the same people who had once been deep into the craziest conspiracy theories, once they realise they were wrong, flip out too far in the other direction and begin to advocate against cults and conspiracy theorists with an equally disturbing amount of fervour. Like, it's an obsessive personality type or a mental fixation. The post in question was directed, among others, at "terfs", so I vaguely scoffed at it and scrolled past, but this guy right here makes for a rather obvious example.

His current issue of advocacy isn't wrong, but his methods, views, and attitude aren't exempt from censure, of course, like anybody else's. At any rate, it's always good to have receipts so as to better understand who we are dealing with and what might be the limits of potential collaboration with these temporary, often accidental allies.

[–] xyzpdq 4 points Edited

Why shouldn’t men be gender critical too?

Everyone should care about what’s happening to children. If you’re human you should care that medical and legal authorities are fostering policies to pathologize gender nonconformity and trans the gay away.

Women may have more to lose in some areas but overall, gender ideology hurts everyone.

I’m not overly familiar with Mr. Elson and agree he overstepped reasonable boundaries chasing after the young women in the video, but on this issue we need more people who are passionate and bold and willing and able to openly speak out.

Expecting one hundred percent purity will leave you standing as an army of one.

Edit: PS, GNC_Centric you are one of the brave, bold people I’m talking about.

I agree we need more ppl, that doesnt mean we should have no standards. Is he doing more harm than good? IMO yes

A man following women is not "bold", it's creepy and dangerous. Men can be gender critical allies but they shouldn't be centered. And they should only be considered allies if they don't harass women

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