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To believers in the TRA cult, same sex attraction doesn't exist. They think people are attracted to each other based on gender identity, and if you're attracted to someone with the same gender identity, you're gay. If you're only attracted to those of the same sex, then that's a preference and not an innate sexual orientation according to TRAs.

A problem with the TRA worldview is that homosexual behavior has been observed in many animals species and that homosexuality in animals is completely based on sex, not gender identity. Of course, this is how homosexuality works in humans as well, because gender identity doesn't exist at all in humans or other species. But how would TRAs explain homosexuality in animals?

Do they think animals experience homosexuality based on gender identity? If so, all studies of homosexuality in animals have to be thrown out, since they were conducted based on the animals's sex rather than gender identity.

Do they think homosexuality in animals is based on sex, but based on gender identity in humans? If so, why?
Why did humans evolve gender identity to begin with when other animals did not? Why did gender identity evolve to become a more important factor in sexual orientation than biological sex in the human species? If TRAs think animals can have gender identity as well, why didn't gender identity evolve to replace same sex attraction in animals like it did in humans?

I've had religious fundamentalists tell me "We should behave better than animals" when I point out homosexuality exist in animals. I wonder if this is how TRAs view gay people as well. A dumb animal doesn't know what it's doing, but they expect a human to know better. I also think TRAs have the religiously rooted worldview that humans are special and above animals. That's why they don't even sit down and think why humans (supposedly) have gender identities while other animals don't. There's nothing in science, biology or evolution that tells us humans are special, unique or above other animals.

Why aren't TRAs angry at scientists who study homosexuality in animals? I've seen biologist on twitter get attacked by the trans mob for saying biological sex exist. How long until gender stereotype worshipers feel invalidated by gay animals?

To believers in the TRA cult, same sex attraction doesn't exist. They think people are attracted to each other based on gender identity, and if you're attracted to someone with the same gender identity, you're gay. If you're only attracted to those of the same sex, then that's a preference and not an innate sexual orientation according to TRAs. A problem with the TRA worldview is that homosexual behavior has been observed in many animals species and that homosexuality in animals is completely based on sex, not gender identity. Of course, this is how homosexuality works in humans as well, because gender identity doesn't exist at all in humans or other species. But how would TRAs explain homosexuality in animals? Do they think animals experience homosexuality based on gender identity? If so, all studies of homosexuality in animals have to be thrown out, since they were conducted based on the animals's sex rather than gender identity. Do they think homosexuality in animals is based on sex, but based on gender identity in humans? If so, why? Why did humans evolve gender identity to begin with when other animals did not? Why did gender identity evolve to become a more important factor in sexual orientation than biological sex in the human species? If TRAs think animals can have gender identity as well, why didn't gender identity evolve to replace same sex attraction in animals like it did in humans? I've had religious fundamentalists tell me "We should behave better than animals" when I point out homosexuality exist in animals. I wonder if this is how TRAs view gay people as well. A dumb animal doesn't know what it's doing, but they expect a human to know better. I also think TRAs have the religiously rooted worldview that humans are special and above animals. That's why they don't even sit down and think why humans (supposedly) have gender identities while other animals don't. There's nothing in science, biology or evolution that tells us humans are special, unique or above other animals. Why aren't TRAs angry at scientists who study homosexuality in animals? I've seen biologist on twitter get attacked by the trans mob for saying biological sex exist. How long until gender stereotype worshipers feel invalidated by gay animals?

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[–] crodish 26 points Edited

Another one too is the constant comparision to living beings that actually change sex or are hermaphrodites, like clownfish, snails, fungi, etc etc. Those that do change sex literally are still able to produce gametes of the sex (a male clownfish will produce sperm, when it changes into a female it produces eggs. Both snails in the same mating pair can impregnate each other and also bear eggs.)

When trans people "change sex", they... aren't. They're still producing, or have the exact same sets of organs that produce their original gametes. A neovagina does not come with neo-ovaries (don't get any ideas, surgeons). A neopenis does not ejaculate seminal fluids or sperm, and the neotesticles don't manufacture them either. They're as functional as the silicone balls that some pet owners put back into their pets after neutering them.

What trans people are, when they "change sex", are closer to species of animals that camouflage themselves as the opposite sex for mating purposes, most of it deceptional in nature (males as females), or defensive (females as males). It's known as "sexual mimicry", and that's really all it is.

Male cuttlefish pretend to be females to other males, for a higher chance at being with the actual female themselves: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/cuttlefish-woos-female-and-dupes-male-with-split-personality-skin

This article is written with garbage language, but likewise, male birds adopting female plummage to avoid attacks from other males: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21138-zoologger-the-only-cross-dressing-bird-of-prey/

I remember reading an article about fireflies also emitting male or female type signals to ward off or confuse potential suitors but can't find it. The list goes on.

There's sexual mimicry - when you can look completely identical to the stereotypical features normally displayed by one sex, but don't produce its gametes - and then there's hermaphroditism, capability of having both sexes. Intersex is a disorder but still only is capable of producing one type of gamete, and cannot change from one to another, but TRA have convoluted the terminology so much that most people conflate it with being a hermaphrodite or being able to actually change sex, all of which are false.

All of transgenderism is sexual mimicry. They can feel as much of a sex as they want, but it doesn't make them one. Let's not even bring up how they would "feel" like something they are not. It's as batshit crazy as a person claiming to feel like a dragon or an animal. Dragons don't exist and animals can't communicate on the levels that humans do.

TL;DR why you always lyyyyin', STOP FUCKIN' LYYYYYIN'

I love it when TRAs bring up OTHER - FUCKING - SPECIES as a justification as to why biological sex isn’t real, or “it’s a great big spectrum!” Or why transgenderism is valid because of clownfish.

Like really? You have to reach that far? It’s like saying “humans can’t fly, dumbass,” and they respond with, “actually, they can! Just look at sparrows!”

Just a random comment…I used to work in the veterinary field and I cannot tell you how often men would ask for neuticles for their dogs, and in addition, ask for a completely inappropriate size! Think giving a chihuahua neuticles meant for a Rottweiler! Boys can be so shallow! 🙄

Neuticles are so stupid. They're nothing but vanity products for the owner. I thought the concept of it was stupid enough but I never even considered people would go one step further and ask for mismatching balls. Like why the fuck, what the fuck, purpose does it serve other than to show off your dog to your friends and go "lol look at how huge they are!" Like just. Why. It would be more uncomfortable for the dog than anything too I imagine and be a more obvious spot to get attacked, caught on things, friction, etc

I remember (and miss) a Humane Society (or ASPCA) ad from the 90s. It had a huge bulldog next to his dog house and the tag line was “neuter your dog. He’ll still be a boy.”

I had to google the word "neuticles". omg. That is HILARIOUS. It reminds me of one of the brands of cat food I tried, that had a monster truck rally type font and a picture of a bobcat on the front. 😂 I was like wow, I'm sure this manly man packaging will win over my cat, ever since getting fixed I'm sure he's been insecure about his kitty masculinity, now everyone can know he's tough as a bobcat with this brand of cat food. 😂 The cat doesn't care, people!

The men in my family are downright reasonable. None of them have ever had an issue getting their dogs neutered and didn't ask for fake balls after either.

I think this has spoiled me and I'm surprised to learn there are men who are concerned about dog balls.

I can’t tell you how many men have refused to neuter their animals because they feel it’s emasculating. The dog doesn’t care!!!! It’s still going to lick where it’s balls were! 😂

Fake balls?

Fuck, every time I see an unneutered dog I feel like going off at his owner.

I remember one time i saw a post on tumblr about some mutation which caused a lioness to start growing a mane and TRA's were chanting ''trans lion'' on the post :/

Did they think the lioness grew the mane because of gender identity?
TRAs have such an unscientific view of the world.

There are some lion populations where the males don't grow very much mane at all, does that make them trans? Such silliness.

TRAs usually claim that homosexual animals are actually trans animals. They claim we aren't allowed to point out homosexuality in animals because that's transphobic.

What?!

Do you all remember Stephen Fry's "only one species of animal ever has exhibited homophobic behavior – and that’s the human being"?

Only one specie of animal ever has claimed to possess a "gender identity" – and that's the human being.

Very unnatural, isn't it? The sane would come to the conclusion that "trans", "nonbinary", etc is made up ...

Animals tend to be more opportunistic than actually homosexual.

This is especially true in the avian world. Many cocks will seem to pair up, but when a hen is introduced, typically all hell will break loose.

[–] Mayday 0 points Edited

How about a compromise? Other animals don't have the mental capacity for a "sexuality". None of them are so-called "heterosexual", or "homosexual". They simply are 😉

There are plenty of examples of animals who are in homosexual relationships with a partner of their own sex even in mixed-sex environments.

I mean how do they explain why they always call their pets he/she with no ambiguity or question...

Pretty transphobic to assume your pet's gender identity without asking them, smh!!! (/s)

I'm pretty sure someone here had a conversation with someone in twitter and the person argued that you wouldn't know a cat's gender unless you impregnated it lmao.

That person is so transphobic!1!!!1!!! The pregnant cat might have been a very manly trans tomcat!!!11!!!1! Did they ask the pregnant trans tomcat how HE identifies?!?!11?!

(massive /s again)

Yet veterinarians seem to have no problem determining if an animal needs castration (for male animals) or spaying (for female animals). Veterinarians can do this without attempting to get the animal pregnant first, which sounds unethical.

Will the TRAs start mocking veterinarians for only having a high school biology textbook understanding of biological sex?

[–] LarmeKeiLover 2 points Edited

Excuse me my cat is Abimegender, Abimegender, Absorgender, Absorgender, Accipiogender,
and on Fridays Glassgender

I'm pretty convinced that gay people and gay animals exist to curb overpopulation, so that nature doesn't have to work as hard churning out resources. It doesn't take a lot of gay people/animals to slow down a population boom, which is why there aren't a lot of us. Just a small percentage of the population not regularly producing offspring goes a long way.

I feel it's another reason why gay people became more prevelent when the first civilizations were founded. People didn't have to constantly follow herds or hunt and gather. They were safer and settled in one place, so it allowed for argriculture, the deathtoll went down, the abundance of food went up, and then the abundance of people. Gay people just became kind of necessary, the alternatives being natural disasters or disease.

I mean . . . It says a lot about people that most would prefer nature just cut down our numbers with disease and tornados rather than just . . . pop out a lesbian every now and then.

And of course, nature didn't count on culture, technology, and people being bigots to its gay creations because nature isn't a sentient being. It's like a blind, automatic process, just churning out shit to keep balance.

I dunno. This is just speculation. But I feel like there's a reason gay people exist and there's no reason for transgenderism to exist beyond mental illness, porn sickness, and delusion.

And TRAs/TIMs are aware enough to know that addressing gay animals would mean addressing the origins of their genderism madness. If they did that, all of their made up bullshit would quickly unravel. So they just pretend gay animals don't exist or call them "trans."

To believers in the TRA cult, same sex attraction doesn't exist. They think people are attracted to each other based on gender identity, and if you're attracted to someone with the same gender identity, you're gay. If you're only attracted to those of the same sex, then that's a preference and not an innate sexual orientation according to TRAs.

Damm I didn't even know they believed that. I knew they like to harass Lesbians into dating males but not that they didn't actually think same sex attraction doesn't exist. I assumed they knew it did as they consider themselves part of the LGBTQ

No, these nuts actually think that lesbians are attracted to men. We're just man-hating bigots who refuse to date them as a "preference." Lol. I wish I was making it up. And it doesn't help that so many bisexual women call themselves "lesbians," further confusing everything, to the point that men think a lesbian is a woman who has chosen to date women exclusively, rather than a woman who is only attracted to women.

About four years ago, I wrote an article for a magazine about how I struggled as a young woman to understand why I could feel no sexual attraction to men if even though I was "supposed to." I would lie in bed with a guy and the pipes just didn't work. Absolutely nothing would happen, and the guy thought he was just bad at sex and made me feel even worse. I tried medications and aphrodisiacs, thinking something was medically wrong with me. Eventually, I just accepted that the pipes only reacted to women and that I was gay.

When I went to submit the article, it upset a bunch of TIMs who were editors at the magazine, and they refused to publish it. They can't handle the fact that sexuality is real and that lesbians don't just "hate" men but are actually, physically incapable of feeling sexual desire/arousal for them. The very notion of that immutable, loud NO hurts their narcissistic brains.

No, no. It must be that lesbians are just evil bigots who hate men and refuse to fuck them! As if anyone owed these incels sex, even if we WERE capable of attraction. It's insanity.

I've seriously seen TRAs arguing that vegan feminism is transphobic because it is against the exploitation of females that's inherent in cattle raising and therefore makes the assumption that females get pregnant.

No, I'm not making this up.

[–] OneStarWolf 1 points Edited

Tbh, I’ve always been a bit skeptical of the whole “animals are gay too” bit. Like I think it could be a possibility in certain select species, sure, but I don’t believe it’s the same as it is in humans. Like, the gay lion isn’t putting his penis in the anus of the other gay lion, ya? And if they’re not recording actual homosexual sex between animals it could just be projection and anthropomorphism of what they think an animal is doing.

But homosexual sex between animals IS a phenomenon that has widely been studied and reported on. Anthropomorphising animals is to say "well, lions can't be gay because they're not having anal sex like humans would".