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RantWhat my intern said to me (I'm pregnant) today...
Someone else asked if I was having a boy or girl. I said it was a surprise. The 24 year old intern (female) said "Well there's no way for her to know until they're about 10 years old and have decided for themselves."
Face palm.
Does anyone here watch Work in Progress? There was an episode where a coworker had a baby shower and announced she was having a girl and the main character Abby threw a FIT and lectured her in pure rage. (Show is penned partly by Lily Wachowski, famous TIM.) And I wondered how long it would be before pregnant women would be silenced IRL when they dared to discuss their baby.
A friend was invited to a "gender reveal" party by woke friends of hers who then made a scolding speech about how everyone who attended, with gifts no less, was supporting a bigoted practice. She never spoke to them again.
That's just gratuitous assholery. Like atheists offering to have a baptism party but - surprise! - spending the whole time telling the parents religion is evil. Who does this stuff?
I don't think I would've been able to stop myself from straight up cackling in her face, in the most insulting and condescending manner. Joker style.
And that’s another dimension of the whole GI mess: young & snotty know it alls with poor impulse control can get in your face with it out of the blue. “Well…Gender Identity sez!” It’s a gotcha attack. A power trip.
Did you complain? I would have. That's unprofessional and goes against most parents' belief systems to boot.
What she said goes against Trans-Toddler Baptist Church. 10 is WAY too late. Doesn't she know gender manifests in children when they are a little after 2? She's a heretic.
What she said goes against Trans-Toddler Baptist Church. 10 is WAY too late. Doesn't she know gender manifests in children when they are a little after 2? She's a heretic.
So true! If you wait until they're ten, you might as well put a bullet in the kid's head because they're too old at that point and destined to die of dysphoria!
"Oh, I could know right now if I reviewed the ultrasound results or the genetic testing, but as I said, we want to be surprised at the birth." A combination of "play dumb" and "don't be dumb" might work here.
"Now now - Let's not talk religion at work..."
Truthfulness right there. The sooner everyone recognizes this gender stuff as just the latest new age religion, the better off we will be.
“Are med schools teaching that genes and reproductive systems are unknowable until age 10? Woooow.”
"Well of course, but I just hope they don't decide they're a horse. I can't be doing with hooves coming out of my vagina."
And you thought kids' shoes were expensive.
My love of this comment is unbridled.
Saddle up, there's more where that came from.
I'm champing at the bit!
Rein in your expectations, I'm coming up empty.
Don’t get your nickers in a bunch
I put the cart before the horse, what can I say?
It’s alright, we can still trot on along
Wild horses couldn't drag me away.
Now you’re just beating a dead horse (lmaooo)
Time to put this thread out to pasture.
Whoa now, guys!
I know. It's like shutting the barn door after the horse bolted.
Honestly I haven’t had such a great pun run in a long while, so thank you for entertaining me.
I once at a party went stringing along bee puns with another person for at least a half hour.
My pleasure :) Ovarit regularly makes me literally LOL.
You won't get stabbed in the vage if you have your horse baby, they are born with these meaty feathery hoofs called Eponychium.
Click if you are ok with Blood and scary-looking baby horse hoofs. https://www.horsenation.com/2016/03/21/what-the-muck-is-that-eponychium/
I wish I'd said that instead of just a frozen smile
I don't think I could have come up with understandable words at the time in the face of that sort of nonsense.
I heard this a lot with my first in 2017. Being pregnant in 2020 was refreshingly solitary. Ha.
Woah woah, who's she to say a toddler can't self identify. Somebody bein' a little bit of a bigot, round here?
I hope any 10-year-old would be enjoying their childhood and not worried about deciding which sexist stereotypes better fit their personality. Yikes!
until they're about 10 years old
Thank you, intern expert, for elucidating human development so plainly for us. What other wisdom can you disclose to us know-nothings?
I didn't know 10-year-olds are that mature. They can't drive, drink, vote, work, open bank accounts but apparently they're self aware enough to decide their gender (whatever that means).
Apparently in some extra special cases these 10 year olds are mature enough to decide on permanent sterilization and genital underdevelopment.🤯
According to them, if a child is old enough to know they are a cis boy or girl, they are old enough to know they are a trans boy or girl. And then decide on permanent sterilization, genital underdevelopment, bones like chalk, no sexual function, etc.
Three year olds can decide their gender, you genital-obsessed-evil-person! Why are you forcing children to live a WHOLE DECADE in the wrong body?
/s
GET ANOTHER INTERN.
For real. She's not just an idiot, she's also a liability. God forbid she get ahead in career, or hired into the company at a later date, and she uses her acquired position to try to get you fired for wrongthink.
Your job is less safe, and you are less safe, the more these people are around.
If this is the standard unpaid, one semester internship for credit, it's definitely not worth getting a new intern. There's only about a month left until school's out, so this woman, who's probably early 20s and just parroting the current rhetoric to show she's hip and in the know, will likely be out of everyone's hair soon enough. It's weird being an intern with no power and the youngest one in a workplace filled with people who know you're temporary, so the kindest thing is to just smile and nod and not bother with her too much.
For real. Sounds like a loose cannon, these types will always cause issues.
Right and I'm sure that's what critics of Maya said. How can we oppose the firing of people on the basis of wrong think when the top comment on here is advocating for exactly that? Facepalm.
You could fire medical doctors believing gender woo on the basis that they are a licensed professional and that their profession is science- and biology-based, not belief-based. There have been attempts in the U.S. to fire or take back the medical licenses of doctors spouting COVID in-scientific conspiracies and/or touting or shooting people up with Ivermectin (horse medicine dangerous to humans). Of course, the gender industry is to strong to allow doctor’s and other healthcare professionals to be fired or lose their licensing. So this is not likely to happen.
Ivermectin is human medicine. It won the Nobel prize for medicine in 2015. People were obtaining the horse version from farm supply stores because they could not get it through doctors. Not smart but ivermectin isn't actually inherently/exclusively horse medicine; the media kind of did everyone dirty by saying that.
I agree with you. This is in no way a fireable offense. It's idiotic, yes, but I hear idiotic comments every day at my job.
Me too. Its why I'm so shocked. Like, just laugh at the comment or explain the situation to this lady, there's no need to wage war over what is generally considered to be the 'correct belief'.
Maya solely supported measurable fact and science behind sex, and was not advocating for a religious belief. Gender is a faith, an ideological belief of something akin to a soul that people find in themselves.
Right, I agree. Since when was it not discrimination to fire people because of their religion? Why should we be advocating for a young woman losing out on a career opportunity due to discrimination instead of advocating for a gentle explanation and forgiveness of a sister?
I believe in God and practice craft. If I was fired from my job (a catholic hospital atm) for the way I practice my faith it would be discrimination. If I pushed my faith on my co workers who don’t share, and I’m fired, it’s no longer based on my religion
She’s allowed to believe what she wants, she can’t force that on other people. I agree there could be some education opportunity, I personally would try. However if she continues to impose her personal beliefs on those around her, it’s no longer based on religion, but creating a hostile environment.
When there is very little mainstream understanding of anything but this religion, and it is pushed as the truth and plied on impressionable young people you can't then treat it the same as an organised religion. But yeah, it would be good to have a conversation with her.
True, not the same as organized religion, but it being a widespread belief doesn’t excuse trying to force that anyone else. A one off is a one off, however if she continues to try and force a narrative one person doesn’t believe in on another person, I do think that warrants some form of disciplinary action
Yep. To me, this is akin to a woman mentioning moving in with her boyfriend and a coworker saying, "I hope you realize our Lord Jesus Christ frowns upon sex outside marriage." Even if it's not a fireable offense, I'd report it to HR at the very least as an inappropriate faith-based comment.
Just stating something from your own perspective (which includes whatever belief system you follow) is not at all the same as chastising someone based on those beliefs. The convo that OP describes isn't similar to the example you gave. She should be free to state her genderwoo stuff when it's actually related to the conversation without fear of firing or discipline, just as OP or anyone else should be able to state that the babies sex will be known from birth & there is no deciding. If she started calling OP negative names for observing the sex of her baby, then it would be imposing beliefs & equivalent to your example. But she didn't do that.
I just don't want us falling down the rabbit hole of limiting speech. It's too easy to do, because most people really don't like dealing with viewpoints that they feel are ridiculous or disagree with strongly. But being on the receiving end of it so often, we should still resist the urge.
The intern may not have chastised her, but it came off like she was correcting the original person. She essentially stated that their belief system about knowing boy or girl at this stage was wrong.
If this happened at a party, I'd agree with you. Go ahead and state your differing belief, why not! But it was at a workplace and most workplaces do limit speech for good reason. There's a reason we generally avoid discussing politics and religion with colleagues. One states her genderwoo stuff, someone else states, "Actually, no, gender isn't real" and then someone chimes in with their belief, and suddenly you have a group of coworkers who are biased against each other. As an intern, this is a great opportunity for her to build soft skills and learn that correcting other's beliefs doesn't do her any favors.
This. There’s a line between protected personal religious beliefs and trying to impose that belief on others in the workplace.
Religious belief is protected, you’re correct.
But I would also not look favorably on any coworker that tried to impose or prosthelytize their religious beliefs on others in the workplace. It would be equally inappropriate and insulting for a Muslim woman to insist to me that my future baby, if male, would hold a higher status than me at a certain age and that I should be subservient to him.
But to young indoctrinated people it's not a belief. They genuinely, one hundred percent believe/'know' this is fully backed by science. I don't think, if a religious woman expressed a religious belief at work, she should be fired. I think she should have professionalism and the inappropriateness of faith-based discussions in the workplace explained politely, as I advocated for this young woman.
I agree, this is a rather minor comment and proper redirection and a talk over professionalism would probably be enough. But I would not fault an employer for firing a worker that continually harassed and disturbed other employees for imposing their beliefs.
Yep, That’s the current problem with gender ideology and the institutional capturing happening across the US. People conflating a subjective internal belief with measurable fact. I think ultimately it needs to go before the Supreme Court because sex based rights are wholly incompatible with gender ideology.
It worries me that even that won't be enough. So many people believe it to be the complete and whole truth it would be surprising if even a Supreme Court verdict would change that. Hope I'm just being pessimistic about that though.
We managed to separate thousands of years of indoctrinated Christianity beliefs from our government and laws. So I have hope this can be parsed out, and recognize as just the latest faith fad. We’ll see!
How can we oppose the firing of people on the basis of wrong think when the top comment on here is advocating for exactly that? Facepalm.
LOL. Heaven forbid us nasty feminists have our revenge fantasies
How do we differentiate between revenge fantasies and actual requests though? I'm sure TRAs have revenge fantasies, that doesn't stop them from being ridiculous, hypocritical and worthy of being called out (which we actively do here).
ETA: What is there to have revenge on this woman for? If you see removing an employment opportunity from a female cult victim as a feminist fantasy then that's kind of questionable. The ideal fantasy is peaking a young woman who made a generally minor comment. It's hardly feminist to punish women for saying shit you don't like.
We're all just advising OP to cover her ass around this person. That isn't bad advice to someone who is pregnant and needs to protect her livelihood. I care more about OP being able to support her upcoming baby than I do about some Tumblrina keeping her job. Sorry if that makes me a bad feminist
I think OP should cover her ass around this person. But my dispute was that this person should be fired, not that OP should be wary around her. I'm hardly the Goddess of Feminism, it just seemed weird to me that peoples first instinct was to say 'fire her'. That's not really watching your ass, that's more like discrimination at the worst, and thought policing at the best.
This young person should be told that's it's upsetting for a pregnant woman to have someone to suggest that her baby might have a very small chance of a condition that could result in over half a million dollars of surgery, a lifetime of medication, and sterility. That there's lots of potential issues that could lead to a child that needs a lot of medical treatment, but it's scary and rude to point that out to a pregnant woman.
Lol, right after all we're just as bad as them if we don't act as nice and sweet as pie./s
I can't stand that type of rhetoric, women don't need to be nice or even right to be deserving of human rights.
And guess what we don't have them, we have even less than the bullshit crumbs we had before, BECAUSE of these TRAs so excuse me if I'm not the nicest about them.
Lol, right after all we're just as bad as them if don't act as nice and sweet as pie./s
Also, I don't think its hypocritical to say "don't hire woke gender cultists" because those assholes are a legitimate detriment to the workplace and they have ZERO qualms about getting us fired for beliefs we hold outside of work!! So I will not be shedding tears when genderwoo children can't get jobs because HR Departments rightfully see them as the massive potential liabilities that they are!
It has been proven time and time again that women get fired when they work with these people. They get fired, hounded, harassed and cancelled. We never win, and low key worried for OP. Hope she deals with it well.
Right. This isn't like a disagreement about the marginal tax rate, where there are a range of equally valid opinions, FFS. Gender ideology is based on junk science and misogyny, and is actively harmful to women. We don't need to be evenhanded about it, here of all places. Good lord.
There's a world of difference between calling for someone to lose their job, and deciding you don't want them providing medical care which requires letting them into your life and your literal body.
Who's providing medical care? Am I missing something here?
There are tons of patient who will be happy to have this doctor. She doesn't need to be.
Have I skipped dimensions? I didn't notice anything to do with medical care at all in this post. There is no mention that OP or the weird intern featured in her post is in medical care. This comment doesn't make any sense to me?
I think some people are assuming "intern" means fresh out of medical school instead of just an unpaid student earning credits.
Ah! Thank you! This makes a lot of sense. I don't live anywhere where we have interns, so from what I've seen I figured intern was just some kid making coffee in an office.
Self-preservation, not witch hunting...there's a difference. Pretty sure most feminists wouldn't fire her if she just had very different thoughts that hurt no one (say she believed in chakras and brought them up all the time - who cares!), but we've learned enough to be wary of this type of TRA.
It could be argued exactly the same for TRAs. This is the problem.
No. I do think it's different. TRAs attempt to not only cancel, fire, expel, etc., they also want the entire public to participate in the witch trial. If any manager finds that an employee or an intern has controlling, narcissistic, doxxing, inflexible etc. behaviors it's perfectly acceptable to decide you no longer want to work with or mentor that person. There's no public shaming, no doxxing no social media harassment campaign...you just no longer feel that relationship is working.
Every comment has been a weird strawman. All I said is that it's inappropriate and hypocritical to call for this woman's firing on the basis of a single misguided comment. I agree with almost everyone here when they say shit like how it's appropriate to terminate the employment of a bullying/excessively proselytising/narcissistic person. But this isn't that.
Most commentators can see the danger signs and want to protect the OP from losing her job. We have no evidence this was a misguided comment from the intern, it could have been, but I'd be wary of her nonetheless. Not so much a strawman but more of a 'considering a worse case scenario, this looks like a red flag in that direction'.
By saying fire the intern you aren't saying OP look out. You are saying OP, end this woman's career before it's began because she said something you disagree with. OP gave us the whole scenario. There's no need to fire someone over this and if you think that doing so is somehow 'protecting OP' then damn, send me your gymnastics coach's details because I wanna stretch that hard.
Why should the OP put herself at risk of losing her job when she's' pregnant?
There's no need to fire someone over this and if you think that doing so is somehow 'protecting OP' then damn, send me your gymnastics coach's details because I wanna stretch that hard.
Absolutely no clue what this means.
She's not at risk of losing her job! Oh my goodness. My comment was pointing out hypocrisy of calling for this intern to be fired. Everyone is pulling shit out their asses when yall are saying that OP is at risk. And I'm saying that this level of making up details & reaching is extremely strong. Is OP at risk? No. Its a bloody intern, not a member of management or even a colleague. Where the hell is all this bullshit coming from lol
I've worked in various orgs and corporations for almost thirty years at a variety of levels. A intern who complains about 'transphobia' and a 'hostile' work place can easily spook any Human Resources department because of their ability to go on social media and damage the reputation of the company. A manager's job is to ensure that whoever works under them (and many times this is not fair, but it's true) toes the line, gets along, and isn't someone who potentially creates waves. If a manager turns a blind eye to a potentially troublesome employee, the company WILL blame the manager for not, well, managing. There may be a probationary period for the intern is or it may be a potential intern to hire position. Personally, if the intern had otherwise done a wonderful job, I'd just see this as a potential red flag and maybe speak generally to the intern about not commenting too much about any person's pregnancy as this can be taken as discriminatory. But you can bet I'd be watching both my back and the intern.If an intern who reported to me caused friction with someone in upper management and I had ignored earlier signs or not managed them, it would have been on me. I appreciate your point about not jumping to an immediate firing, but I would bet my ass that us all who are concerned for the OP are speaking from experience.
I don't know why you bring Maya up as it's not comparable to this situation. But it's been proven that any time these people are cause problems(Netflix ffs).
And I'm not basing my opinion on their faith as you said, but by their personality. I wouldn't hire aggressive rude males, or narcissistic individuals either. Someone who tells you that sex is not real and you can only know gender when a child is 10 seems very off mentally. You're making a lot of false equivalencies without looking at the situation objectively. If I was OP I would keep an eye on this individual and make sure they're not doing anything, or trying to change the work culture.
What about this young woman suggests she is a narcissist or aggressive? Many young women, including pretty much every woman my own age I know, has been deeply indoctrinated on this ideology. It's not a false equivalence - they are 2 people who really truly believe that what they are saying is true. Maya is, of course, correct. But that doesn't mean this woman doesn't unequivocally believe this to be the latest science.
Those were arbitrary examples to highlight my point. I did not name her when using those descriptors. I don't know why you keep choosing to misinterpret what I'm saying or why you're going on with this. I think I was clear in my explanation and that's all I'm gonna say on it with you.
As do I. Apologies, but that seemed like the logical line to me although I'm glad that it wasn't.
Except there's a difference between taking your business elsewhere and straight up demanding the person get fired from a company or their business gets boycotted and/or smeared. I wouldn't do want a doctor/midwife/etc who's priority is religion and I shouldn't be made to just because "that person has a right to work". If you're gonna be a practitioner, you got to earn your customer's business.
Why is everyone bringing up medical care? OP didn't specify the job did she? Also calling for someone to be fired is hugely different to not frequenting a business? One is advocating someone lose out on employment, the other is a personal choice?
HAHAHAH You're right ! Fail ! 😂
I don't know about the others, but for me that's definitely a language thing. See, in French, at least here, "intern" only refers to the medical field, so I figured OP must have been speaking of someone who was working at her clinic or something and thought "well, find someone else" hahaha.
Long story short I agree with you lol ! Firing the girl is abusive and TRA-worthy tactics. I'd ask her to keep her religious beliefs at home though 🙂
I'd ask her to keep her religious beliefs at home though
Most definitely! I didn't know that in France intern was medical speak! All I know of the word was from American TV shows, where they can be of any profession as long as they are unpaid. I had assumed it was American as they are the only people who I have heard using the term. In my country they're just 'volunteers' or 'work experience people' so none of these comments made an iota of sense 😔
I'm a French Canadian ("here" being Québec) ; funny enough now that you mention it I think the French would use the word "internat" (internship) in the same way Americans would. We only use that for doctors. Here in another context internship would translate to "stage" and intern would be "stagiaire". We also sometimes get paid hahaha ! Don't interns in the US get paid ?
I take it you're European ? I seem to remember you get an unpaid internship after "high school" or University in places like Germany and Scandinavian countries.
Yes I'm European! (I don't like to disclose the country so much). I am (slowly) learning French and might I say thank you for telling me some quebec terms as they are very useful! The only time we use intern is to refer to American culture. If the young person is paid lower than usual for their work but they gain a qualification then they are an apprentice, but if not (no pay, but work experience) then they are a volunteer. We tend to have a certain amount of registered time required as a volunteer to gain qualifications in our college system :)
Good to know ! I like to learn more about how other countries work ! 🙂 and I certainly don't blame you for being careful.
Excellente décision d'apprendre le Français. Nous l'apprécions toujours ! Ne te gênes pas pour tenter des petites phrases de temps en temps si tu veux ! ☺️
Merci :,) Je n'ai aucune confiance. Je vais travailler dur pour bien converse :)
Je comprends très bien ! Il faut essayer et ne pas perdre patience ! :)
I'm an English-only speaker and I also read 'intern' as 'the OP's medical practitioner', given the context of the story.
Yeah, I think the phrasing was a bit confusing.
For real. Sounds like a loose cannon, these types will always cause issues.
THIS!! Find a way to drop her before she gets a whiff of your GC Cooties!
I had a woke girl at my work a few years ago and she drove HR crazy by complaining about every little thing!! The best one was when she threw a fit over the American flag being on an advertising display. She said the flag was "too political" and might offend the client. The client was a gun store. LOL
The client was a gun store. LOL
Talk about not knowing your customer. lol
Oh yeah, if they find out you're GC they will ruin your life. It's messed up but it's the truth, especially if she's that far gone(10yrs old wtf).
I assume she wouldn't have had a problem with the pride flag or a BLM flag.
Don't call women "chicks" or other degrading terms here. We shouldn't have to even say this. Please edit your post.
Is there a glossary of forbidden words we can look at? Where i grew up, "chick" was just a girl version of "dude". I honestly didn't know it was a problem word
If it's a slur, a diminutive, or an animal, we probably don't want you calling women that.
Lol at 10, your magical gender soul descends from heaven and wraps you in pink, blue or grey light. You spin around and emerge fully formed as a Real Girl/Boy/It's more complicated than that, here's a PowerPoint.
You throw out all clothes and toys that don't match what the gender soul said you were and get your hair cut accordingly.
Then you have your special coming of age ritual, the injection of puberty blockers and investiture of the pronoun pin.
It's all very valid.
You know what? I wonder whether she really believes that or was afraid of conflict and this was her attempt to keep things calm in order to avoid a screaming match.
I know I have gone out of my way and say stupid shit to avoid screaming people.
So till they are 10 years old their pediatrician has no way of tracking their height and weight growth charts? Those are related to sex and are different for boys and girls. Are they proposing that we risk not knowing whether the baby is growing normally?
I had someone tell me like a year ago that sex based growth charts are completely arbitrary because she had no idea that male and female children actually grow at different rates and at different times. She, I’m also guessing, doesn’t realize that puberty starts at different ages for male and female children, and yes, she’s a mother of children of both sexes. And she’s also a massive TRA.
"I hope it's born identifying as a graduate of Harvard Law, think of all the tuition money we'll save!"
lmao
These idiots will think that until they are old enough to have kids of their own.
Yeah. That's a big NOPE from me.
I don't do stupid. I'd give him a disgusted look and then make sure to NEVER talk to him again.
The comment was from a woman
I don't do stupid. I'd give
himher a disgusted look and then make sure to NEVER talk tohimher again.
The comment was from a woman
Which the OP must have inferred from a pronoun badge.
So grateful hospital staff are now wearing those!
I can only imagine all the suicides caused by the rampant misgendering of the past.
No op says yhe person was female
Zuubat's comment was a /s lol, since of course there's no way we can possibly tell if someone is of the female sex unless they have their pronouns on their nametag!
Thank you! I've lost my sense of humor along with my mind
That's what's great about Ovarit, it's one of the only places I can be sure something like that is actually a joke!
Ooooo, I hope she has a male child who pees right in her face and she wonders why.
That's kind of extremely fucked up.
Baby boys tend to pee when the nappy is removed and the air hits them. Which can spray on the diaper changer's face if you don't do anything like cover the penis with a cloth or diaper. I'm guessing she's meaning a person who pretends to not know the baby is a boy, will get a face full of pee.
This virus spreads faster than covid.