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DiscussionWhat I learned from dating a TIM
Posted October 30, 2023 by Anzi in GenderCritical

I’m very new to Ovarit, and I’m not entirely sure if this is the right circle for this post, but I couldn’t find one that seemed to be a better fit so here goes…

I’m a 23 year old Rad fem bisexual women, but back when I was in high school, I kind of assumed that feminism was pro-sexuality pro-trans. I felt pressured by friends and society, that if I was truly interested in women, that I had to date TIMs too, because they are also “women” (that’s what I thought was true at the time). So anyway, I gave this TIM a chance thinking that it would show everyone that I am inclusive, but honestly I couldn’t have made a worse mistake for my mental health and well-being.

This dude was a few years older than me, and right from the get go, he gave me the heebie jeebies. At the the time, I chalked this up to “internalized transphobia”, but I now know that I should have listened to those feelings and trusted my gut that this felt wrong. Our first date was a movie, and right away, dude got “misgendered” by the person taking our tickets. He caused a whole scene and I felt so embarrassed but again, I thought his violent reaction was valid because I had been brainwashed to believe misgendering is the equivalent of a hate crime. This happened many times through the course of our 7 month situationship, and each time, I enabled his behavior by telling him he was right to respond to “hate” with such an aggressive behavior. The thing about dude was, even though he reacted so angrily, he made ZERO attempts to “pass” in public. He had long hair which he tied back into a low pony tail every day, and all he’d wear was jeans and a polo shirt. Like nothing about his looks screamed “transgender” or “trying to be feminine”. Despite this, he expected everyone to read his mind and know that although nothing about him looked like a woman, he was still considering himself one.

Sex was just as terrible. The way he tried to downplay the fact that he possessed male genitals by naming them feminine sounding words (ie: butthole was called “back vagina”, penis was called “outside vagina”) was not at ALL comforting to me. It was so confusing for me to think I was dating a woman, but intimacy was anything but that. Without going into too much detail, the point that I want to make is that he’d be just as aggressive in bed about feeling “invalidated” as he was in public. He also was into BDSM, and wanted me to do really degrading things as a “submissive”.

After putting up with this for months and months, I eventually acknowledged my own feelings…I was traumatized. I broke it off with him shortly after this realization.

I learned a lot from being with him that shaped my beliefs as a radical feminist today. I realized that he may have used his label as a “trans WOMAN” to manipulate a vulnerable woman interested in women like myself into being with him. He’s probably tried and failed in his past as a man to get women on board with his creepy fetishes, so he tried a different approach into weaseling his way into women’s pants by identify as a woman- and it worked! Because he suckered me into it. I also learned to trust my gut. If I’m uncomfortable, I’m uncomfortable. And I am NOT any kind of “phobic” for feeling that way. I was so busy trying to validate HIM, that I forgot to validate ME. And that’s beyond unhealthy. An additional important lesson was that aggression and violence is never acceptable. He had me convinced this was acceptable because he was misgendered even though he made no attempt to appear female. However, I can’t help but feel this only served as an excuse for him to take out his aggression and anger towards the world out on others who did nothing to deserve it. Trans people are in such denial. They think the world is against them, when in reality the world essentially caters to them. An example of that is the fact that only a thousand or so TIF’s give birth each year in the USA, compared to the millions of woman who give birth each year, yet we’re eliminating the word “mom” or “breastfeeding” to accommodate that 1 thousand and ignoring the millions of real woman. There’s many more lessons I learned from dating a TIF, but the most important is really that you shouldn’t compromise your own values and happiness in order to fit in with society and avoid being deemed “transphobic”. Nowadays, you can call me that all you want, but I know I still have my peace of mind and uphold values that are important to me. I will never sacrifice those things ever again.

25 comments

chromodorisrexSeptember 2, 2021

Erin: Abigail Shrier isn’t a radfem. It’s pretty clear in her excellent, well-researched book that she is clearly not coming from a radfem perspective, even if we all agree that transing kids is horrific and wrong.

She’s a woman who says NO to your delusions. And that’s all that terfs are to these men. Women who say NO. I’m plenty mad and I don’t need your Twitter approval

DietCokeAddictSeptember 2, 2021

LGB Alliance is a UK org so I’m unclear on what they’re supposed to do about laws in an American state? Same for Joyce (who is Irish.)

chromodorisrexSeptember 2, 2021

and he’s blocked anyone in the US who as so much as politely disagreed with him. So yeah. Nice cherry picking bro 🍒

IrishTheFrenchienon-cis logicSeptember 2, 2021

Radical Feminist ≠ Gender Critical dumbass. That's why.

chromodorisrexSeptember 2, 2021

any lady who says I’m obviously not a woman = basically hitler

[Deleted]September 2, 2021

Ehhhh.... I dunno, I don't think most people who aren't radical feminists or their allies are actually gender critical. More like transgender critical.

shewolfoffranceSeptember 2, 2021

Maybe if gender ideologists hadn't overtaken feminist institutions, actual feminists could focus on women's reproductive rights. Currently, anyone who cares about women's rights is busy trying to make sure that the US government recognizes exactly what "female" means.

chromodorisrexSeptember 2, 2021

He’s like “they’re just mad about the pregnant people terms!!”

Um.. yeah. Because it’s a fucking waste of time while women and girls suffer. It’s a distraction from real work on abortion and allows men like you to act like this has any impact on you and force-teams your issues with real women’s problems. It’s the reason the organizations I worked for are wringing their hangs and wasting energy writing press releases that won’t offend the genderspecials. It’s not the ONLY thing I’m mad at. But it shows how idpol and men in dresses have overtaken things that used to be useful to women

shewolfoffranceSeptember 2, 2021

Meanwhile, TiMs continue to have no actual rights to lose in this battle.

ouvalemondeEmpressLadybrainSeptember 2, 2021

Well he obviously hasn't lurked Ovarit before because there are a ton of posts here about Texas just within the past 24 hours.

chromodorisrexSeptember 2, 2021

He would also see his face on /itsafetish so I see why he avoids it

ouvalemondeEmpressLadybrainSeptember 2, 2021

LOL good point

FeministunderyrbedSeptember 2, 2021

Aaron, the sundress man. Well, get in line, bro. You’re not the only dude who likes looking at women in sundresses.

[Deleted]September 2, 2021

Weirdly here I am at Grand Terven Central and I see multiple posts and big discussion about Texas. Maybe Erin Sundresses Mom (vomit) doesn't know that the terves are largely banned from Twitter so they don't GATHER there.

grumpyjewishfeministSeptember 2, 2021

It's amazing how, when you systemically shove a group out of the public discourse, they struggle to make themselves heard even on the points of agreement.

GoodGoneGirlSeptember 2, 2021

“Faux women’s advocacy”? Be quiet male.

I care about women’s reproductive rights but I can’t really do anything for American women. I also don’t think it is a fight that will be fought on Twitter.

MadSeaSeptember 2, 2021

I invite him to go fuck himself. :)

legopantsSeptember 2, 2021

Could say the same about TiMs though? 😂 Why are they silent if they're "women" like they claim? Dumbasses

[Deleted]September 2, 2021

They should be FIRST at the frontlines of supporting other women in this regard! FIRST! They're the ones with the baseball bats.

[Deleted]September 2, 2021

So far I've seen TRAs crying about how people need to remember it's not just women who are affected by abortion and to please use inclusive language or it's transphobic! So making it about themselves instead of caring about the issue as per usual.

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spacykateSeptember 2, 2021

Most actual TERFs have been bullied off of twitter, so not sure what this ass clown is saying.

ItsCalculatedSeptember 3, 2021

Shut the fuck up Erin. Men can't be feminists.

chromodorisrexSeptember 3, 2021

TIMs: men, but worse

penkeyiiSeptember 4, 2021

Sounds like he's unintentionally admitting it's a WOMEN'S issue if he thinks "terfs" should be focusing on it.