thanks for being supportive of this news guys. there was some strategy involved here. I called and said I was looking for information to appeal to the state level for investigation. So that scared them a lot so the director volunteered to talk with me directly.

It’s really messed up that people can’t seem to listen just to women and that we have to appeal to other protected institutions and take shelter in them instead.

I mean, it is sad that sex can be cancelled and is being cancelled but religions and cultures really can’t.

One strategy is to use their own convoluted libfem victim language. Like “I am a woman who identifies outside of oppressive stereotypes and gender limits because I see myself as a holistic person that’s more than just the sum of my body parts and it’s functionalities. Therefore menstruators and bleeders are utilitarian descriptors that derogate my identity into machine like parts. That is demeaning to me. I ask that you respect my linguistic reality and find a better way to be respectfully inclusive of everyone.”

To be fair part of the reason why I love being a Christian woman is that it actually gives me sacred value and dignity that no other culture could (I know some will disagree but we will have to have that debate somewhere else)

Anyways, yeah I’ve been meaning to share this little news a while ago. But yes it can be done!!!!

You're not alone! I'm also a non-denom Christian on here <3. Good on you for your taking action! This is the kind of pushback that hospitals need. They need to know that they're giving transgender ideology way too much importance in a setting where biological sex is literally more important. I'm glad they said they were going to consider change--I wonder if there's some peaked doctor on the other side of that... one can hope!

Regarding this, and the comments on it:

part of the reason why I love being a Christian woman is that it actually gives me sacred value and dignity that no other culture could

I'm an atheist and liberal, but I get this. Has anyone read Jonathan Haidt's work on the axes of morality?

He says liberals basically have only one axis, which he calls "care/harm," which is more or less "do no harm." But that leaves liberal morality vulnerable to accepting some troubling things, like consensual incest between adults or someone who injures others with their consent.

Conservatives, however, have six axes. One of these is sanctity/degradation. This one resonates with me (even though I feel less strongly about some of the others). This one allows you to reject the examples above. To me a strong component of it is a respect and reverence and care for the human body. I think it's what's missing when liberals accept or turn a blind eye to pornography, prostitution, BDSM, transgender surgery (especially on children), surrogacy, transhumanism, etc.

Good for you. You're making it easier for other people to speak out. I'm not religious, but I despise the way gender woo limits women from conservative religious backgrounds to participate in public life.

Also, your ex sounds like a deluded idiot.

Wow, the fact that your caseworker immediately asked you a very obvious leading question is quite shocking and really shows how bad it is. There's so many reasons why as women our bodies would cause us discomfort; being trans is not at the top. Thank you for speaking up, I know it's not easy.

Thank you for speaking up.

Your comments on race made me think about how white women really are the #1 "do not engage" group to TRAs. WW are the absolute worst, trash, and nothing that comes out of their mouths is worth anything.

What that does is immediately cuts out the largest group of women from speaking. With only minority women left, that's far less voices to have to argue over.

If you also take out men cause of "trans-misogyny", then... well if white non-hispanic is about 57% of the population, leaving 43% for minority races. Then only half of that is women, leaving 21% of the population voices that are "worthy" of being heard, that they have to find other ways to mute.

That 0.5% of the population that is trans, then, suddenly becomes a much larger % of that remaining population that isn't immediately discounted.

That's kind of a genius strategy, actually.

I hope you find some healing after what you've been though. <3

I just want to echo what other women have said here and commend you for how you stood up for yourself. Whether it’s due to things related to gender or your own health as a female, you absolutely did a great thing for yourself. For a long time I didn’t stick up for myself with doctors, it was reading experiences like yours that helped me take charge and make my concerns known. Thank you for sharing!!!

Well done!

I am Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, so I am not unfamiliar with people giving me grief about it. While women on here might have a diverse range of beliefs and opinions, we all agree that women are real and important. Which shouldn't be a fringe belief, but here we are.

Non-religious here and good for you! And if your religion gives you some clout pushing back against their quasi-religious ideology being imposed on all of us, that's awesome; it stands to help us nonbelievers too, who don't have that same leverage when it comes to pushing back against it. Thank you for resisting it.

Also, side note, my old college friends mostly starting identifying as some variety of genderspecial too; started with the most obviously unstable and spread out from there. It's so unsettling watching them just rewrite the past, when none of them showed the slightest hesitation or discomfort with referring to themselves as women when we were in college.

Well done for making the complaint and getting a great result. You obviously did an amazing job making a sound argument that made them see sense.

It sounds as though you've been let down a lot, not least by your fiance. I'm really sorry you had to go through that.

Also the caseworker's response to your unhappiness with your body was APPALLING.

I'm Catholic BTW.

I am a Christian woman as well, and I often feel like feminism doesn’t want me to be part of their fight, but the thing is, we are fighting the very same fight against this trans ideology. It’s nice to hear from another Christian on here.

So proud of you for taking this action and making your voice— our voices— known!

Congratulations and thank you for having the courage to speak up. You are spot on about everything you pointed out to them. I am a lifelong atheist, I knew from age 5 that I did not believe in a higher omnipotent power that controls everything. That said, I am from a New England Protestant family, my great grandfather was a minister and my grandparents were always very active in their church, which promoted a brand of very light, optimistic Christianity. I joke that even though I am not religious, I am one of the most Christian people I know. The principles by which I live just happen to also be Christian principles. In my view they are universal principles that one group just organized into a set of religious beliefs and practices but they are available to all. I have never felt more grateful for religious principles than I do now because I think that is one way to end the gender cult. If more religious people push back against an ideology that forces them to compromise their values, we will ultimately win because I believe that there is still a great respect for freedom of religion in America.

Congratulations! This is a good result.

Don’t worry - you’re not the lone Christian here! I think in some ways just as TRAs want to characterise all GCs as being in bed with right wing gun toting Trump loving hood wearing bigots, others don’t see that Christianity comes in a lot more flavours than US fundie evangelicals. Christian socialism has been a thing since somebody came up with the term ‘socialism’, for example. And lots of right wingers hate Pope Francis and call him the false Pope because he thinks the environment is important - you just need to read the first few chapters of Genesis to see that he might have a biblical justification for that!

Thankyou for doing this, it is very important that medical providers don't overlay TRA political agendas onto their patients.

I’m christian, though personally I practice craft. Regardless, I’m happy you got a win!!

Good for you, and thank you for speaking up. It’s hard to do, when we know the consequences can be extreme.

Also, very happy to hear about the positive outcome. It’s encouraging to all of us to know institutional approbation for our views is not universal.

Huge hurrah for you defending yourself, and with such an insightful strategy too.

Yes much of feminism is not pro religion, particularly the abrahamic ones. However first and foremost any feminist analysis should centre women and girls, whether we agree or not.

I'm not remotely religious and I will get annoyed at how identity nonsense rides roughshod over women with religious beliefs. You've a right to believe what you do, I have a right not to. It's a simple idea.

Finally I wish you well on your mental health journey.

Congratulations! What you’ve done is honestly so inspiring. I want to say, I’m an atheist and Humanist, but I respect other people’s faiths, and would certainly not judge you for it.

I really hope things are better with your mental health now, I know it’s not easy.

my ex fiancé was an AGP and left me last minute because he felt he was “too female and gay” for me.

I can confirm, you dodged a bullet. Good for you!

Glad the complaint about the pronoun issue worked out, too.

This absolutely made my day. Thank you for speaking up and may the Lord bless you!

This is not a small victory! It's huge! Thank you for your courage and clarity! And I hope you were able to leave the program with some tools for managing depression and anxiety, even though the pronoun/affirmation nonsense may have aggravated both while you were on site.

Even if you had to leverage your Asian ethnicity, I think you did a great job. Gender Ideology and it's "language " is like this VIRUS that has infected everything.

Thanks for sharing! Really love how you handled this. I'm also Christian <3

First off, I hope you're doing better. Second, congratulations with them responding!!! It means so much when women share their discomfort with this new gender religion. People should have the right not to have their religion overridden and should have the right to have no religion, both are good counter arguments against trans ideology.

I'm glad you were taken seriously. I'm sorry you had to go through with all the goofball garbage in a place that was supposed to help you.

Good for you for speaking up! The more of us that do so, the more of a difference we can make. Sending love and good thoughts your way!

Thank you for complaining! I'm surprised but glad that they took it seriously! It's sad that no one cares that this is offensive to women solely because of the sexism, but I'll take whatever we can get.

I am glad you stood up for yourself!! I hope more women do the same. I think there are quite a lot of religious groups in my society that have a claim here and they should make their voices heard. I still occasionally attend protestant (sometimes even catholic) church, but I don't suppose they'd take gender atheism particularly seriously from somebody like me. But every voice matters. PS: you had a lucky escape with that fiance! I don't think it ever gets better

Very encouraging that they cooperated!

Proud of you 🥰

Yes you! Hey, I think that is a major victory, so kudos. Glad you spoke up!

Good for you for taking a stand!

What do you mean by "white church politics" though? I'm a white lesbian going to a very liberal church, please don't make generalizations. If you're talking about the Christian right, aka the political movement that supports politicians like G.W. Bush, say that. In any case, if you tell a woke extremist that you're any type of Christian, that won't give you any leverage. They might respect if you said you were Muslim or something, but they'll just triple down to spite you if you say you're a Christian. That's seen as higher on the "privilege hierarchy" to the woke and identifies you as their enemy.

I've known enough different kinds of Christians to know that many, probably most, of you are not like the wall-eyed foamy-mouthed fundamentalists I was always having to cope with back down South. I also think less-right-wing Christians ignore a lot of scripture to get where they are philosophically, but admittedly I have a mostly Baptist background (hilarious since I was baptized Catholic as a baby) and my views on this are undoubtedly skewed. Anyway I have a mostly live and let live philosophy on the whole subject. If you get something comforting out of it and it doesn't force you to compromise who you are as a human being then good for you. I would be Neopagan if I were still religious but I have issues with the way those faiths are practiced too, funnily enough. (Neopaganism as a community was an early incubator for all this trans mess, believe it or not.)

Thank you for sharing!!

On an unrelated note, you used the term “yellow people.” I do not have any friendships with people in the Asian community. Is “yellow” as commonly used as “black”?