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Do you think this is true of detransitioners?
Posted May 29, 2024 by littleowl12 in GenderCritical

TIF and podcaster Aaron Terrell says on Twitter:

Detransitioners, like transitioners, are incentivized to lie about the motives of their transition in order to remain in the good graces of their new “community”.

Exulansic's response

There's a contingent that hates and is jealous of the attention that detransitioners get. It's so intense that I'm reminded of the brother of the Prodigal Son. They want a cookie for not falling for it. Their cookie is an intact and unatrophied body, but they aren't grateful.

I'm inclined to agree with Exulansic, but I don't think that Aaron is completely wrong. I agree with her, but for reasons she would likely deny.

I do think ex-TIMs tend to lie quite a bit. Very few will admit the role porn and autogynephilia play. One doofus interviewed by Benjamin Boyce (I can't remember his name) said that men were maligned in the media as dangerous and he thought he'd be more accepted as a men if he turned into a woman. Others have claimed that they simply didn't fit in, that sort of thing. They'll admit that they had a porn problem, but usually deliver this information as one sentence only. They don't want to get into the details of how they watched porn for hours a day, how it escalated from feet pics to sissy hypno, or any of that.

The HSTS ex-TIMs probably struggle admitting that they wanted access to straight men, which they would never get with their natural male appearances.

Ex-TIFs, on the hand, tend to be more honest. Not completely, but mostly. What they say tracks with information that we have. "Benji" hasn't made content in years, but what she made was golden. "Carol" still sporadically makes youtube content, and she gives really good insights about how transgenderism infected the lesbian community. Where they do lie is downplaying their own bad behavior while on testosterone. I've seen them quickly gloss over those parts. But that's not really lying about motives to transition. That's just evading accountability, which most people do.

For ex-TIMs, while we tend to feel sorry for ones who have suffered horrific surgeries, we also call bullshit as we see it. It's no good telling us they had some sincere motive and that porn didn't play a role, because we already know that's not true.

I think what's eating Aaron is that she really wants to push the idea that there is such a thing as True Trans. She also thinks we should be more understanding and accepting of AGPs as a legit sexual orientation instead of a mere fetish.

Every detransitioner who admits that the whole thing is bunk undermines that claim. Some of the very TIMs who detransitioned were the ones who "passed" the most. Shapeshifter comes to mind- on camera he passed pretty well, and was attractive enough in real life to partner with wealthy technocrats. He's very feminine by nature, so if anyone was a woman trapped in a man's body, he'd have been it. Except femininity is not womanhood. So if even he detransitioned, it's just another example of Aaron's theory being bullshit.

What big secret does Aaron think detranisitioners are collectively sitting on just to please us? If it's TIMs denying that porn is the driving factor, we already know that.

I don't want to ascribe a list of bad motives to Aaron, but she is not shy in saying that she loves her cosmetic results. Detransitioners usually are willing to offer the grisly details about the side effects, making the rest of us wonder why we allow doctors to do this. So maybe Aaron feels slightly threatened that her cosmetic medications and surgeries might be restricted, and she will not have access to them. I could be wrong, but Blaire White, Buck Angel, and Marcus have all admitted to having that fear. It's why they want childhood transition banned- they feel if that is banned, then the public will be satisfied and not pursue adult treatments. It's not their only reason for wanting to ban childhood transition, but it is one.

When you hear detransitioners get frank with their medical complications, though, you can't help wondering if this should all be legal. Even if you come to the conclusion that it should be, it's hard to say it should be covered by insurance or public resources.

I don't think Aaron is completely wrong, but I don't think detransitioners are performing poodles for GC feminists or conservatives either.

ETA: Aaron adds this in another tweet:

Autoheterosexuals (AGPs & AAPs) often behave as if they’re homosexual, but it is in the service of manifesting the self as the opposite sex (AGPs have sex with men “as women”, AAPs have sex with women “as men”). Absent that result, they’re often repulsed by same sex action. This is incorrectly interpreted as “internalized homophobia”, but it’s not. It’s autoheterosexuality. However, in GC land homosexuality = good & autosexuality = bad, so of course “based trans” & detrans are motivated to not introspect as to the root of their homosexual behaviors.

I want to hear her out on this. She might have some good insights. But I don't see how repulsion for the same actions does NOT come from self-loathing.

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