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QuestionDetrans TIM mansplainers
We all know that TIMs are the biggest pedantic dumbass mansplainers on the planet, especially, first and foremost, when it comes to women issues they don't know a fuck about. Anyone notice how detrans men are still the exact same? Like they don't stop mansplaining women's anatomy to women and stuff? I've seen a few of these on "heterodox" discussion forums I frequent and it's quite funny. They still feel a very strong urge to defend the "plug and play" body mentality they bought into for so long.
I don't trust detrans men as far as I can throw them. They still think they know our own issues better than us, they are still misogynists, and they still spout a lot of redpill rhetoric even if they do it in a "logic" guise.
Just wondering what other people here have noticed about detrans men.
I've seen the heterosexual TIMs mostly detransition because they didn't get what they wanted out of it. Mostly people didn't treat them like women, they treated them like the crossdressing weirdos they are and the TIMs didn't like it.
Their reasons for detransitioning are usually just as shallow as those they had to transition in the first place. As such, I think they don't understand most detransitioning women, who tend to transition because of society's misogyny. They often seem to think TIF issues are as petty and selfish as TIM issues.
Homosexual ex-TIMs usually mention deep rooted homophobia, but they are much rarer.
Yep. AGP detransitioners never stopped being AGP; I don't think paraphilias can be cured that easily.
The thing that tends to wake up detransitioners is when they realize trans ideology didn't fix their problems as promised but instead hurt them. There's no reason to believe that they're qualitatively different people after desisting than they were before they started identifying as trans and while they were identifying as trans without an individual demonstrating that they've changed in a real way. It doesn't mean they've figured out the bigger picture of it, or care to. Just like how most anti-porn men don't have a lightbulb moment where they realize that porn is awful and they've been contributing to the exploitation, subjugation, and dehumanization of women and that's bad, they're just men who are mad that they broke their dicks.
They're also going to be very vulnerable to being indoctrinated into the next cult or fanatical movement that comes along, whether it's similar ideology or something directly opposed to it, until and unless they figure out exactly how this got its hooks so deep into their psyche and do the work to deprogram. Much like how being in an abusive relationship can make it more likely to get sucked into another one until you figure out how predators are singling you out and reeling you in, what you need to do differently. Because they've been conditioned to respond to those same mechanisms that most cults and fanatical movements share and use to gain control over people.
Men are men are men are men. They have the same overblown self image no matter what group they are from.
I heard one detrans say that we have "political reasons" to oppose trans ideology. Yea we don't want to be spied on in changing rooms for political reasons. They treat our natural desire to preserve our safety and dignity as a fringe ideology
Ffs
The men on Reddit's /r/detrans oftentimes make excuses for the ideology and mansplain the sexism of it, even if they themselves have detransitioned. (Not all - I have seen one or two who seem to really get the evils of gender identity ideology.) It's frustrating to read their inept responses to some of the posters (mainly women) who seem to be in real distress.
That subreddit it realistically like 90% women anyway. Which makes sense considering the recent rise has been in primarily females.
There are a lot of men that get a lot more attention than women. It just feels like that is how it always is. I listened to one on Sascha Bailey on a big channel and he just doesn't get why we need women's only spaces. Men in the comments even telling me how female prisoners would want men in their prisons. Some men have no sense of theory of the mind. We are not men who'll stick their penises in anything.
If I had the misfortune of coming across their trans content without looking for it, they will still be an attention whore when they detransition. The last one I saw on X was actually told by several commenters to work on his addiction to attention and outside validation. They will never stop sucking the air out of a room.
When they go on Benjamin Boyce to do their detrans *story, they get about halfway before they blame the women and girls in their life for making that stupid decision.
Never have I heard them blame the boys and men around them.
Not have I saw Boyce counter and challenge them. He does the secret dance of delight that all men do when each other takes a 'reasonable and logical' sounding swipe at women.
*Edit for typo
So predictable and disgusting!
Because I have empathy for the parents of teen and adult TiPs, I read PITTstack frequently, however, there is a strain of mothers and fathers who blame teen girls for their son's trans identity. They talk of a female 'cheerleader' who led their poor sons down this track. I don't doubt one bit that some girls do this (have seen it) but it's NOT THEIR FAULT. They are children and they have been indoctrinated online and in school that it's a good thing to be a good ally. But these TiM parents can't see their own son's deep misogyny and love to blame women. It's depressingly not shocking...and it's hard not to see how these boys became so entitled because their parents think they can do no wrong. Male socialization.
Women have a very powerful influence on men, you see, they can't help but listen to us and do what we tell them, except when we tell them no, we don't want to pee or change or play sports with them. :P
Yes, I like that SubStack too. I know what you're talking about. It irks me too. The default female blaming instead of looking under the hood to see what's really driving it or stepping back to see how the environment is affecting the kids.
Such a knee jerk reaction to blame the girls who are just being nice like they've been conditioned to......
I’ve only listened to Boyce a handful of times, a few years back, and I don’t even remember why, but I was just left feeling an utter sense of unease and distaste.
I've always been by put off by him too. Just comes across as smug and annoying. I gave up on trying to watch him.
Yep, he's a sleazeball underneath it all. He's empathetic and does active listening so he comes up with good questions.
He clearly admits that his strength is the ability to sit back quietly and let others tell their stories. That he gets more information or of them. So he's doing it purposefully.
I don't like how he doesn't challenge opinions when, I think, they secretly aline with his core misogyny. He's so smug because he gets to let them say it for him!
I like the detrans stories though .... Even if I get the ick off him sometimes....
I refuse to like his stuff as not to give him more YT power.
His Evergreen series was quite good, but speaking about women's issues specifically, not nearly as thorough.